The National Institutes of Health. Office of Community Liaison.
Home > Meeting Minutes

Community Liaison Council Meeting Minutes
April 19, 2007, 4:00–6:00 p.m.
Visitor Information Center, Building 45 (Natcher Building)
Conference Room D
National Institutes of Health

CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENTS

Community Liaison Director and CLC Co-Chair Dennis Coleman called the meeting to order at 4:03 and welcomed members, staff and guests.  He made the following announcements:           
            - A large maple tree near in the SW corner of the campus, adjacent to the NIH property line was uprooted by the recent wind storm and would be removed on Saturday, April 21.  Chain saws will not be operated before 9:00 a.m.
            - The Commercial Vehicle Inspection Facility (CVIF) began operating on April 14.  A CLC tour requires that arrangements be made by Chief of Police Hinton, since the CVIF is a secure facility.  Since the CVIF is a relatively small building with a single specialized vehicle inspection purpose, an operational tour will be more informative than a pre-opening tour where there would be little to see.  It will take place this summer or fall after startup procedures have settled down. Thus far, the facility has generated one commuter complaint about a truck speeding across a pedestrian walkway.  The pedestrian was contacted and the event reported to police.
            - Permitting work is proceeding for a 250 unit residential development with commercial space and a large (~1500 space) underground garage to be operated by the County between Woodmont and Bethesda Avenues.  No CLC presentation is planned since the project is ~2 miles south of NIH, but OCL has additional information if CLC members request it.

Mr. Coleman introduced the first 3 agenda topics, all of which concerned noise.  He observed that even though noise has been a long-standing and seemingly intractable issue, there was common ground in that both NIH staff and neighbors want progress in reducing it.  He noted that NIH Director Dr. Zerhouni had provided some clear guidance in a 11/17/06 letter to Rep. Van Hollen.  In short, NIH will undertake every reasonable effort to reduce its noise impact on adjacent communities, even though measurements have shown that neighborhood noise is less than limits defined in the County noise ordinance (65 dBA day; 55 dBA night).  

Mr. Coleman suggested that the CLC Noise Committee meet to consider a quantifiable noise reduction objective and bring some recommendations back to the full CLC.  NIH staff would work with the CLC to analyze whether the objectives are reasonable in terms of impact on NIH operations and cost.  NIH staff would bear the burden of producing a “reasonability” analysis that a consensus of CLC members finds credible.  Anyone objecting to NIH’s analysis will at least have more specific assumptions and methods to complain about than was previously possible with a more subjective noise reduction goal (e.g. neighbors don’t want to hear any noise emanating from the NIH campus).

Leslie Hildebrand replied that the group had reviewed all of the related information earlier.  It was not clear to her why the group should repeat this effort.  Mr. Coleman explained that noise reduction has been stuck for 2 or 3 years with subjective goals and relatively little progress to show for it.  If the CLC provides NIH with a reasonable and quantifiable goal, it would enable NIH engineers to develop a concrete plan for moving forward and measuring progress against.  CLC Co-Chair Ginny Miller asked Mr. Coleman to make certain that the committee meets with high enough levels of engineering staff to actually do some good.

George Oberlander suggested that the ultimate goal should be reducing the campus contribution to neighborhood noise to zero.  Ralph Schofer suggested that a more feasible starting point might be to measure the noise levels at the edge of the NIH property and near Ms. Hildebrand’s house, where complaints have been more frequent. The results could help establish ambient noise levels and NIH’s contribution to what is heard in the neighborhoods, which is still not clear due to numerous other noise sources in this urban area (e.g. local traffic, I-495 traffic, planes, helicopters, police, ambulances, fire engines, residential AC/heat pumps, Suburban Hospital, Metro station, pets, wildlife, etc.).  

Mr. Coleman added that whatever approach was eventually adopted, NIH will make a good faith effort to undertake reasonable noise reduction efforts, as required by Dr. Zerhouni’s statement.  Ms. Miller asked that a convenient time be established for the subcommittee to meet to consider any quantitative noise reduction goal.  She also wanted to ensure that the full CLC had a chance to review committee results.  Mr. Coleman remarked that the Noise Committee is no substitute for the full CLC, and it is well recognized standard practice for any committee to report its results back to whatever body constituted it.

PRESENTATIONS

FACILITIES
Building 35 Design

Mr. Coleman explained that the expected report on Building 35 Phase 2 had to be postponed because the architect has not completed his answers to CLC questions about what noise standard was being applied and what difference would the building make in what neighbors can hear.

Noise Generating Maintenance Activities

Mr. Coleman introduced Charles O’Hanlon, maintenance manager from NIH’s Division of Property Management, Office of Research Facilities.  Mr. O’Hanlon presented slides identifying scheduled maintenance activities that generate additional noise relative to normal NIH operations.

Of all the maintenance activities, boiler maintenance generates the greatest noise.  NIH’s five boilers are checked one at a time, beginning in May and concluding in September.  Boiler maintenance also includes safety relief valve and cogeneration unit testing.  The valve tests cause between four and eight one-minute bursts of noise over two hours and are usually conducted late on weekday mornings.  The cogen unit test has no impact on the regular noise level.  In response to questions about boiler checks, Mr. O’Hanlon noted that OCL is given prior notice.  He also stated that the occasional steam venting noise (reported earlier as coming from building 35 or 37)  is not maintenance, but is being investigated by other staff.

Mr. Hanlon reported that garage maintenance, including sweeping and machine-scrubbing, is another scheduled source of additional campus noise. Each garage is swept every other weekend. Scrubbing is conducted on a rotating basis during spring and summer weekends, usually on Saturday evenings.  Nancy Hoos reported that a loud noise, sounding like a high-pitched leaf-blower, appears to be coming from the garage closest to Roosevelt Street early on weekend mornings.  This was identified as multi-level parking facility #8.  They agreed that someone from Mr. O’Hanlon’s office and Ms. Hoos, will monitor this noise on Saturday, April 21 and be in contact if follow up is needed.

Mr. O’Hanlon moved on to present the 2007 garage sweeping and machine-scrubbing schedule. Mr. Schofer asked why the scrubbing is done so frequently, but only during six months of the year.  Mr. O’Hanlon explained that this schedule has been found to be most effective in getting rid of garage trash and debris that are not uniformly generated throughout the year.

Mr. O’Hanlon then provided the spring 2007 garage power-washing schedule.  Each garage is power-washed in the spring and fall.  The work is necessarily conducted after-hours between 7:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m.  The compressors are positioned away from the community side of each garage to minimize noise.  Thus far there have been no complaints from people living nearby.

Grounds maintenance was the last source of scheduled maintenance noise discussed.  To control noise impact, work usually is undertaken between 7:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. on business days. As per agreement with the neighboring communities, any projects that cannot be conducted during business days are scheduled for Saturdays between 9:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m.

ENVIRONMENT

Noise Monitoring and Modeling Project

Mr. Coleman thanked Mr. O’Hanlon and introduced Mark Miller, Environmental Compliance Officer, NIH Division of Environmental Protection.  Mr. Miller reported that the NIH noise study was nearing completion.  He explained that NIH policy is to:

  • Notify neighbors of scheduled noise-generating activities;
  • Provide timely explanations for unscheduled noise-generating events;
  • Survey campus noise levels; and
  • Use surveys to drive noise modeling and mitigation efforts 

Ms. Hildebrand and Ms. Hoos noted that NIH noise is a concern at night-time and weekends, especially in spring and fall when residential windows are open.  This noise is not the same as traffic noise, so it stands out.  Mr. Oberlander suggested that the general level of neighborhood noise needs better characterization to better understand NIH’s contribution to it.

Mr. Miller listed four possible solutions to the noise problem and their levels of feasibility.  For example:

  • Removing offending buildings (35, 37, utility plant & chiller plant) would definitely reduce NIH noise, but would have an extreme impact on NIH operations and cost, and is thus not reasonable.
  • Shutting down offending buildings for months to completely replace offending air handling equipment could also reduce NIH noise, but would have a major impact on NIH operations and cost, and is thus not reasonable.
  • Dampening, insulating, or shielding offending noise sources seems feasible, but this has been tried before with apparently limited results and thus requires analysis to ensure that further efforts are effective and their impact on NIH is both manageable and affordable.
  • Prevent future noise issues from getting worse by addressing noise more thoroughly in design and construction of new facilities, such as designing future buildings to comply with a lower noise standard than the County ordinance specifies.

Ms. Miller, Mr. Oberlander, and Mr. Schofer emphasized that new buildings are in the future, so  the main issue for them is better management of current noise.  Ms. Miller observed that the only action proposed by the speaker was limiting the noise generated by future buildings, presumably  because existing buildings are a done deal and funding is less available to reduce their noise.  Mr. Schofer added that it would be difficult to develop an acceptable solution to the noise problem if existing NIH buildings are continually “grandfathered” as something neighbors have to live with.

Mr. Miller asked whether the CLC was satisfied with the County and NIH night time standard of 55 decibels.  Ms. Hildebrand noted that other noise studies must already exist that show this standard does not eliminate noticeable noise.  Mr. Miller will ask the contractor what other studies have been done.  Ms. Hildebrand then observed that a 55 decibel standard was relatively high when compared with community noise standards nationwide and that the noise level at her home continued to pose a problem for her.  Mr. Miller responded that, as suggested earlier by Mr. Coleman, the CLC should propose a quantifiable goal to guide NIH efforts to reduce noise in both current and future facilities.  In addition, Mr. Miller offered to visit Ms. Hildebrand’s home to experience the noise level.

Mr. Schofer noted that NIH is not the only local noise source and that Suburban Hospital is certainly another one, not to mention the Navy hospital with its increasing number of helicopter flights and future doubling of outpatient visits.  Mr. Coleman doubted that other local facilities have expressed any willingness to do better than County standards the way NIH has.  He suggested that CLC members could easily verify his statement by asking Suburban and the Navy for a written commitment similar to the one provided by Dr. Zerhouni.  Ms. Miller added that, given June scheduling of a Suburban to the CLC, the neighbors should have an upcoming opportunity to at least try and influence Suburban in regard to reducing their noise contribution.

Mr. Miller concluded by noting that:

  • NIH appreciates that the 55 decibel noise level established by the County is not entirely acceptable to the community.
  • Noise study findings developed thus far will be presented at the CLC meeting in May.

In response to a request from Mr. Oberlander, Mr. Miller also agreed to report back to the CLC about when the final study findings will be available.

TRANSPORTATION

Mr. Coleman welcomed Tom Hayden, Director of the NIH Travel and Transportation Division. Mr. Hayden provided an update on roadwork projects adjacent to the campus and some other transportation issues previously raised by CLC members.  

He first reported that the State Highway Administration’s project to improve the South Drive & OGR intersection is now underway.  SHA is also slated to begin the Wilson Drive & 355 intersection improvement project in June.  All improvements include pedestrian friendly features and will meet ADA requirements, such as curb cuts for wheel chairs.

Shifting to transportation demand management, Mr. Hayden noted that the goals for Transhare have been exceeded in that a large fraction of NIH staff (~40%) now uses public transportation.  

Finally, Mr. Hayden observed that:

  • The Gateway Center issue of contractors parking in neighborhoods has been resolved.
  • The public transportation committee formed with Suburban Hospital and Navy Medical Center (TMO) has been funded $10,000 to produce brochures and promotional material to further reduce employee reliance on single occupancy vehicles.

Ms. Miller asked what role the hospital would play on the committee, given that Suburban buses people from the Bethesda Metro station and does not even use the NIH station.  Mr. Hayden agreed that this was so, but explained that it was important to include Suburban because it, like Navy Medical Center and NIH, is a major local employer with definite local impact.

Members made the following additional comments:

  • Ms. Miller thanked Mr. Hayden for ensuring that the requested white walkway lines were painted at the NIH station and approaches.
  • Mr. Oberlander asked about plans for the local pedestrian bridge.  Mr. Coleman replied that the Navy Medical Center plan shows the bridge located about 100 yards south of Center Drive, but this location was indicated in a preliminary drawing.  Mr. Hayden will attempt to provide the CLC with an update on the pedestrian bridge location.

SPECIAL PROJECTS
Southside Lawn Drainage

Mr. Clifford reported that staff from the County’s Department of Public Works (DPW) joined CLC members Deborah Michels and Steve Sawicki, Mr. Coleman, Lynn  Mueller and himself for an April 16th tour of the area affected by the southside lawn drainage problem.  The tour had some obvious impact on the DPW staff because the ground was still wet from earlier storms and clearly eroded by excessive drainage flow.  In addition, the County’s assertion that leaves caught in the NIH fence were causing the problem was shown by inspection to not be very credible.

The DPW representatives agreed that the velocity and quantity of water coming from the County’s drainage pipe creates a problem that cannot be resolved through a simple neighborhood beautification or maintenance project.  Mr. Clifford is waiting for DPW’s formal response to both the tour and NIH’s consultant report on the drainage problem.  Once this information is available, DPW will be invited to present its recommendations for a solution to the full CLC.

Judging from comments made during the tour, Mr. Clifford said that DPW will probably recommend that a capital improvement project be undertaken to resolve the drainage problem once and for all.  Mr. Clifford added that NIH will cooperate to provide a property easement, but funding will come from the County since the water clearly originates on their property.

INFORMATION RESEARCH

Mr. Coleman then provided the CLC with several miscellaneous OCL information reports.  These were compiled in response to member questions about various issues.  The handouts included: 

  1. A Fact Sheet on Recent Dosimeter Monitoring at the NIH Fence Line
  2. An update on CLC Member Contacts, Representation, and Attendance
  3. A Fact Sheet on the Montgomery County Noise Ordinance
  4. A March 23, 2007 Noise Management Letter to the NIH Grounds-Keeping Contractor
  5. The Town of Oakmont’s EIS Scoping Letter of February 2, 2007
  6. Local Project Data from the County Neighborhood News Service about Ayrlawn and 355 bridge projects, both of which are expected to take a year to complete
  7. New content and format for NIH’s Online Public Bulletin
  8. A list of NIH Institutes, Centers, and Designations
  9. Monthly BRAC News Items (Vol. 2: 3/15/07-4/18/07)

Mr. Coleman thanked Marilyn Mazuzan for providing the Oakmont letter, noted that the NIH Public Bulletin now has a new look, and explained that CLC member contact information now includes the URLs for the neighborhood associations, as well as the number of units in the various subdivisions.  He also noted that attendance at CLC meetings had held steady and even increased slightly, contrary to the assertion of some that interest in the CLC was waning.

Ms. Mazuzan reported that, according to comments made during the April 12 BRAC meeting, the Federal Government was requesting an environmental impact waiver for the closing of Walter Reed Hospital.  Mr. Coleman responded that local elected officials had voiced opposition to this. Ms. Mazuzan cautioned that those supporting such a waiver were not without power and urged CLC members to keep posted on the issue.  Mr. Coleman observed that a 4/18 Washington Post article on this topic is included in this month’s collection of BRAC news items.

ROUND ROBIN

Co-Chair Ginny Miller led the Round Robin session.  Upon her suggestion, the CLC agreed that meetings should be cancelled during bad weather, such as the February ice storm.

Ms. Hildebrand asked whether a representative from Suburban Hospital was scheduled to make a presentation to CLC.  Ms. Miller said that a Suburban representative will be discussing the proposed new hospital building at the June CLC meeting.  Mr. Oberlander explained that the building site plan has been changed to decrease the building “footprint” and increase its height. He added that the proposed elevation will block sunlight from reaching parts of the community.

Ms. Hildebrand asked if her association, which opposes Suburban’s expansion, could make a presentation at the June meeting.   Ms. Miller explained that a CLC meeting is not an appropriate forum for dueling presentations and that agreeing to this request would set a troubling precedent.  Ms. Mazuzan explained that CLC meetings are for community information updates, not debates.  Mr. Coleman suggested scheduling a longer question and answer period to ensure that the hospital plan is fully discussed.  Ms. Michels suggested that nothing prevents Ms. Hildebrand from taking her objections to the County’s planning commission, where Suburban necessarily must go for project approval.  Ms. Hoos added that the CLC can certainly analyze Suburban’s presentation and ask critical questions about their plan.  However, the CLC’s mission is to collect and disseminate information, not to serve as an adversarial forum.

Ms. Miller feels Suburban should be the only presenter at the June meeting to provide ample time for discussion. She also will ask the hospital to provide speakers with expertise in key areas, including noise control.

Before this discussion concluded, Ms. Miller noted that Suburban and NIH have a special relationship that enables local residents to benefit from medical research advances in areas such as stroke treatment and prevention.  She also observed that Suburban is ranked as one of the five best trauma centers in the country, and she asked the Gazette reporter (Ms. Dutton) attending the CLC meeting to consider writing a story about this accomplishment.  Eleanor Rice added that Suburban’s expansion will result in community access to more and better health care.

Hearing no other comments, Ms. Miller ended the Round Robin session.

ADJOURNMENT

The meeting was adjourned at 6:00 p.m.

CLC Members Present
Marian Bradford, Camelot Mews Homeowners Association
Harvey Eisen, Ph.D., Edgewood Glenwood Citizens Association
Jean Harnish, Whitehall Condominium Association
Lesley Hildebrand, Huntington Terrace Citizens Association
Nancy Hoos, Sonoma Citizens Association
Kira Leuters, Parkwood Residents Assn.
Marilyn Mazuzan, Town of Oakmont
Deborah Michels, Glenbrook Village Home Owners Association
Ginny Miller, Wyngate Citizens Association, CLC Co-Chair
George Oberlander, Huntington Parkway Citizens Association
Lucy Ozarin, MD, Whitehall Condominium Association
Eleanor Rice, Locust Hill Civic Association
Ralph Schofer, Maplewood Citizens Association

NIH Staff Present
Anthony Clifford, ORF
Dennis Coleman, OCL
Tom Hayden, ORS
Howard Hochman, ORF
Mark Miller, ORF
Brad Moss, ORS
Sharon Robinson, OCL
Ronald Wilson, ORFDO

Guests
Audrey Dutton, Gazette Newspapers
Joan Kleinman, Rep. Van Hollen’s staff
Susan Tabach, Sen Mikulski’s staff

back to top