Date:         Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:35:52 -0400
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From:         Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
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Perhaps this is a place for ARSC to step in.  Someone (salaried) could be 
gatekeeper for this kind of discographic project.  I believe there may be 
(or were) plans do this on a limited basis for the Victor project.

Perhaps the articles in the Encyclopedia of Recorded Sound could be vetted 
the same way.

In no case can corrections or aditions be made on the basis of "what I know" 
but would require a citation to be checked by the administrator.

That's an idea in rough, anyway.

Steve Smolian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Fine" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] discographies


>I was hoping someone would say that! Totally agree. I'm amazed that the
> parts I know something about are as correct as they mostly are. I was
> surprised to discover that the web isn't 100% kooks and whackos! ;). But I
> still wouldn't use Whacky-Packia for anything I didn't know about and/or
> could verify everything independently.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Lennick" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] discographies
>
>
>> Wikipedia has as much credibility as a ouija board..ANYONE can make
> corrections.
>> I never use that one.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> Steven Smolian wrote:
>>
>> > But discographies on-line can be corrected.  A Wikopedia type structure
>> > might work- corrections by peer review, signed, should be a good
> starting
>> > place.
>> >
>> > Steve Smolian
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Michael Fitzgerald" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:31 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] discographies
>> >
>> > > At 09:17 PM 10/17/2005, Steve Smolian wrote:
>> > >>Which is a great reason for publishing them on line.
>> > >
>> > > But only if you've got access to the correct info!
>> > >
>> > > Leaving aside the plagiarism issues, copying a ton of stuff straight
> out
>> > > of a book is very ambitious and it takes time and effort. However - 
>> > > in
> the
>> > > end you only get what was already in the book (if you're careful
> enough
>> > > not to introduce copying errors). And if you start with decades-old
> books
>> > > (like jazzdisco.org has done), you aren't aware that Roland Kirk's
> Argo
>> > > record has actually been released on more than just the original Argo
> LP.
>> > >
>> > > Every discography I've done *improves* what is in the books, by
> including
>> > > quantitatively more data (timings, composers, release dates, studios,
>> > > track sequences, etc. etc.).
>> > >
>> > > And if you are going to do an electronic discography, a sophisticated
>> > > database is the way to go. I can immediately generate a song index,
>> > > personnel index, etc. Can't be done if you just keep typing text into
> a
>> > > word processor. The formatting may look the same, but the
> functionality is
>> > > quite different.
>> > >
>> > > Then there's the data exchange feature that allows information to be
>> > > transferred and for multiple users to collaborate on a single
> discography.
>> > >
>> > > Then there's the subject of authority control. The jazzdisco.org site
>> > > doesn't know that "Bill Green" and "William Green" are the same LA
> studio
>> > > guy. Or the even more important fact that "Jamil Nasser" and "George
>> > > Joyner" are the same bassist. They just copied what some book said,
>> > > without doing any research. Which is why I don't trust and can't
> recommend
>> > > them.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > mike at JazzDiscography.com
>> > > http://www.JazzDiscography.com
>> > >
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