Date:Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:07:46 -0500
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Interesting, that Silvertone list. A few small errors (Claramae Turner is
Claramoe in most entries, Vivien Della Chiesa is missing her middle name, Ines
Carillo is Innes a few times) and after #229 it appears to be the older
Columbia-pressed Silvertone label. And I didn't know they put out any
children's records..a couple there by Bud Collyer.
I think they may have obtained material from Associated Transcriptions..I think
I've seen some of the same Glenn Osser material and possibly Vic Damone on Muzak.
But I still don't see anything by Nathan Milstein on Silvertone.
dl
Don Tait wrote:
> I am way behind checking messages and hope it's not too late to respond to
> Roger Kulp's neat message, which I hope I've successfully forwarded.
>
> I spent several years between 1989 and 1994 trying to compile a CSO
> discography. It finally had to be abandoned when nearly-then complete. But based upon
> what I learned I don't believe the "Chicago Philharmonic" was the CSO under a
> pseudonym. It could have been a pick-up or independent local group or perhaps
> an orchestra maintained by radio station WGN, which did a lot of classical
> music and even operatic broadcasting in the forties. The former soprano Marion
> Clare was a WGN executive.
>
> There might be some people still living in Chicago who might know about
> this. You've reminded me that I must ask them.
>
> Finally, I'd love too to know about the Enesco Silvertone records in
> particular. I'd guess pretty confidently that they mustn't have been been made in
> Chicago in 1946 or whenever because I've never read about him bring here at that
> time. But I could be wrong. And regarding Leinsdorf, is there any information
> about the Pilotone 78s conducted by him (Haydn Symphony 45 -- I don't have
> the numbers) and Grieg's Holberg Suite conducted by Rudolph Ganz (album set
> 301)? Both with the "Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra" and both 10".
>
> I didn't know there were Milstein recordings on Silvertone.
>
> Thanks for an interesting thread. If I learn anything about the "Chicago
> Philharmonic" I'll let you all know.
>
> Don Tait
>
>
>
>
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>
> There is a complete (?) discography of the Silvertone record club on the web:
>
> http://settlet.fateback.com/SRC.htm ,but it gives very little info,other than a listing.It doesn't even list the artists.
> I would like further information about just how these records came about myself.For starters,what is the year on these records ? I have heard they are from around 1946.Is this correct ?Milstein had already recorded for Columbia,so these were of dubious legality.I am assuming the "Chicago Philharmonic" is the CSO,in a similar situation to that of "The Stadium Symphony Orchestra"at Everest,perhaps our friend Don Tait can enlighten us further ?The Leinsdorfs are not listed in most Leinsdorf discographies,either.
>
> Some of the Leinsdorf,and Enesco sides,were compiled onto a budget Lp,issued by the Hollywood label,in1956,which I have.
>
> I haven't thought about this label much,as I have not seen them that frequently.I believe I own two,a Leinsdorf,and a Milstein.
>
> Roger Kulp
>
>
> In trying to learn more about these records,I found this Nathan Milstein discograpy :
> http://my.dreamwiz.com/fischer/Milstein/discography-milstein.htm
>
>
>> T
> "Russell W. Miller" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: As we have some Mercury expertise here, who knows the real story of
> Silvertone Record Club, and what involvement Mercury or its principals might
> have had? Is there any documentation of session dates/locations,
> particularly the Enescu and Leinsdorf records? I have a Sears catalog from
> 1946 (Summer, as I recall) that doesn't list any records, but surely they
> must have come along soon after.
>
> Russell
>
> Steven Smolian wrote:
>
>> As time and generations pass, a resource identifying first label of issue
>> and relese dates will be come increasingly necessary. There is
>> a forty to
>> fifty year accumulation of LPs. Since swe are all part of the generation
>> for whom they are a daily experience, we assume everyone knows and those
>> that follow will always know the lore relating to them. But 50
>> years from
>> know, who will remember if the Mercury, Golden Import or World Series
>> release came first, perhaps had tube processing sound and was pressed on
>> quite material? I'm already running into this with the small mono
>> companies. And where did all tjose Mercury monos in the brown or green
>> covers come from? Some came from U.S. Silvertones (the Enesco conducting
>> sides). Are the performer names real on them? (not always.)
>>
>> Now is the time to sum up.
>>
>> Kurtz Myers "Index to Record Reviews" include his untanglings.
>> The "Record
>> Ratings" short version cover util c. 1956 (though it says later). The
>> latter is around for c. $ 25, the former, 4 volumes at $ 500, the
>> supplements $ 100-200 per volume. Or less, if you're lucky. It covers
>> mostly classical releases.
>
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