Date:         Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:14:50 -0400
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From:         Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: De-clicking (serious)
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I use stuff found at Toys-R-Resources.  They have a plastic clay that I use 
the way others use duct tape.  It can hold slices together and fill in the 
gaps with easily tracked silences.  I also have mealted grease pencil and 
used it as a filller.

I suspect we all have micro chemistry labs and use them as instict and 
second nature dictate.

Steve Smolian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Fine" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] De-clicking (serious)


> Hi Steve:
>
> Yes, all of what you say is absolutely true! And moreso with LPs because 
> of smaller grooves (although disco singles have the widest/deepest grooves 
> of any LP since the advent of 0.7 mil stylii). Like I said, we were 
> shocked (shocked!) that it worked.
>
> By the way, I'd be reluctant to use real-deal Crazy Glue on shellac. No 
> chemistry facts to back me up, but since shellac seems more fragile and 
> "softer," I'd worry that Crazy Glue would eat away the edge on which it 
> was applied and thus assure the "pie slice" wouldn't fit correctly. Might 
> be a phantom menace ...
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven C. Barr(x)" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] De-clicking (serious)
>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tom Fine" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> In another case, I was doing a job transferring a large collection of 
>>> 12"
>> dance-mix singles for a DJ
>>> (he was going all-digital, actually using his iPods as the players). A 
>>> couple
>> of the records were
>>> cracked  or chipped on the edges. In one case, we found the pie-shaped 
>>> slice
>> that broke out of the
>>> edge. I still can't believe this worked, but we were able to very 
>>> carefully
>> glue it back into place
>>> with Crazy-Glue, using a sewing needle to apply the glue in the 
>>> needle-thin
>> part of the vinyl under
>>> the grooves. I really couldn't believe it when it played very well with 
>>> just
>> one big tick at the
>>> "tip" of the pie-slice. I do not expect to get that lucky ever again. 
>>> The
>> client was a really nice
>>> guy or I would have charged extra for the awful music content of the 
>>> job! ;).
>>>
>> I have tried a number of times to similarly repair broken 78's which had 
>> "bites"
>> (and I had the "bitten" piece as well...!). My experience was that these 
>> could
>> be
>> Crazy-Glued"...but, there was always a problem if the arc of the "bite" 
>> was
>> tangent (or whatever you call the meeting of two opposite-direction 
>> arcs...?!)
>> to the almost-circle of the playing-groove spiral at some point. Remember 
>> that
>> the playing groove is about 3 mil (.003") wide...so if you add a layer of 
>> glue
>> around .001" or more, the needle/stylus can easily slip into the wrong 
>> groove
>> at the repaired spot...!
>>
>> Steven C. Barr
>>
>