Date:         Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:22:19 -0700
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This was in todays paper for fans of old time radio... JJ's Newspaper radio logs has  over 45,000 radio  program guides from 1930-1960.
Betsy W's Old time radio site, features old time radio actors etc.
dnward 


--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Brunswick and Marsh Transcriptions
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:58 AM
> [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > I don't know about a complete catalog, but maybe
> somewhere out there 
> > someone has some sales literature sent to the stations
> by the 
> > transcriptions compnay that would give some details
> about series 
> > titles,  performers, etc.
> >
> > joe salerno
> >
> I have literally been looking for anything concerning the
> National Radio
> Advertising Company for nearly 40 years, since at least
> 1971.  A little
> company literature with some office pictures turned up last
> year but not
> with a list of advertisers or programs like we do have for
> other
> companies.  I did find some important trade-press articles
> and ads early
> on, and those were quoted in my dissertation and further
> info from the
> Edison site files I used in an ARSC presentation about the
> Edison
> broadcast recordings because the company was trying to deal
> with Edison
> before they just had to go with Brunswick.  I provided my
> data to Ross
> Laird who did a very complete narrative in the introduction
> to his
> Brunswick discography along with some articles that Donna
> Halper had
> found in the Boston area. With the find last year of about
> 100 discs
> from the family of a Brunswick engineer, there might be 250
> or so discs
> from the company known out of perhaps 2000 or 3000.  We
> could probably
> put together a listing of the program series names and
> sponsors that
> might be 75% complete, but the individual contents of the
> discs--the
> performers and song titles--will only come from the discs
> themselves
> because this info was almost never listed in the ledgers,
> only the
> sponsor or program title, with the program letter and part
> number (like
> Prog C Part 4).  Any time song titles or performers are
> mentioned in
> Laird is because a disc was reported to Ross by its owner
> or it has been
> reissued with the matrix number noted. (When these
> recordings are
> circulated in the Old Time Radio collector circuit they
> never include
> matrix numbers.)  Very few complete programs have even been
> compiled.  I
> only have one complete program on discs myself, the first
> episode of the
> I.G.A. series that George Blacker found for me.  To
> complicate matters,
> occasionally individual discs were mixed and matched into
> different
> programs, such as is noted in one example in the listing
> that started
> this thread.
> 
> Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Sammy Jones wrote:
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Thanks so much for providing the session info for
> those Brunswick 
> >> ETs!  What
> >> a pity that many of the sheets are missing.
> >>
> >> I wonder if anyone has the other discs to these
> programs; it would be 
> >> nice
> >> to assemble complete (or near as possible) dubs.
> >>
> >> One Marsh disc (1017/1018) does say "33 R. M.
> P."  The other has "R. 
> >> P. M."
> >>
> >> There are handwritten titles on them as well:
> >>
> >> 1017:
> >> Don Russo Orchestra (written under disc number at
> top)
> >> A - College Melody [sic] - No. 1
> >> B - College Melody [sic] - No. 2
> >> C - Dan Russo Theme
> >>
> >> 1018:
> >> Don Russo Orchestra (written under disc number at
> top)
> >> A - Rigolletto [sic]
> >> B - You'll Get By
> >> C - Walk, Jenny, Walk
> >>
> >> 1063:
> >> A - Lazy River
> >> B - Suzanne
> >> C - Fit as a Fiddle
> >>
> >> 1064:
> >> A - How am I Doin'
> >> B - Mood Indigo
> >> C - In the Dim, Dim Dawning
> >>
> >> You know, the music ain't half bad on these!
> >>
> >> Any idea if the Marsh discs were intended to be
> used to create a 
> >> faux-live
> >> band show, or are the merely "station
> library" discs?  I'd love to see a
> >> complete catalog of them.
> >>
> >> Sammy
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Michael Biel [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent:
> Wednesday, 
> >> September 10, 2008 4:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Brunswick and Marsh Transcriptions
> >>
> >> Sammy Jones wrote:
> >>> Apologies for the cross-posting...
> >>>
> >> I'm cross-answering so that both groups will
> see the answers.
> >>> I'm looking for session info for some
> Brunswick and Marsh Laboratories
> >>> transcriptions that I have gotten recently.
> >>>
> >>> Some of the Brunswick ETs have So-A-Tone
> labels, but not all.  Also 
> >>> some are
> >>> National Radio Advertising, but not all.  They
> are all 12" and play 
> >>> at 78
> >>> rpm.
> >>>
> >>>   
> >> Only one of these is specifically listed in Laird.
>  During this era a 
> >> lot of the sheets are missing, and some of the
> numbers are used out 
> >> of order.
> >>> Southern Flooring Program, Program M, Part 2,
> XE-34825
> >>>   
> >> Oct 1930.
> >>> DeVoe & Reynolds Painters, Program E,
> Parts 2 & 3, OX-37359 & OX-37360
> >>>   
> >> Circa Oct 20, 1931
> >>> DeVoe & Reynolds Painters, Program C, Part
> 3, Wax: X-37548, Label: 
> >>> 37546
> >>>   
> >> Might be after Dec 21, 1931 which would now be in
> the ARC era.
> >>> Hearthstone Harmonists, Program A, Part 3
> only, XE-34469
> >> Sept 1930  Originally listed as Radio Sweethearts 
>  (Mary and Jerry 
> >> [Macy]) with Norman Brokenshire, Prog K
> >>
> >>> Brunswick Broadcast, Program 105, "Come
> to the Fair," XE-31458-B
> >>>   
> >> Nov 1929
> >>
> >>> The Marsh ETs are 12" Allied Broadcast
> Circuit Standard Library discs
> >>> recorded at 33 1/3 rpm, and have 3 banded
> selections per side.
> >>>
> >>>   
> >> I have been unable to find specific info of when
> these were recorded 
> >> and available.  The ones I have say on the label
> that they are 
> >> recorded at 33 1/3 R.M.P.  Is that what yours say?
>  Has anyone 
> >> written the titles of the tracks on the labels. 
> The ones I have seen 
> >> outside of my copies also have the titles like
> mine.  My guess is 
> >> 1930 or 31.
> >>> Disc 1017, mx. 9012
> >>> Disc 1018, mx. 9013
> >>> Disc 1063, mx. 9057
> >>> Disc 1064, Mx. 9058
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Sammy Jones
> >> Any chance of getting dubs of these?
> >>
> >> Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]
> >>
> >>>   
> >>
> >
> >