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Subject:      Re: Riverside Race Car Records
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 That "Exciting Sounds of Model Road Racing"is from 1997,and is hardly worth $100.00.His prices on "Checkered Flag" and "Big Drag Boats" are WAAAY to high,given the listed condition.I have gotten over $130.00 for the Fleetwoods and Riversides in top condition myself,on eBay


                            Roger





--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Wasserman, Robert A - WHS <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Wasserman, Robert A - WHS <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Riverside Race Car Records
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 1:34 PM
> Maybe these didn't sell a lot when they were released,
> but this genre is
> and has been a hot item with the surf-Hot
> Rod-Rockabilly/Pyscobilly set
> I hang with. I know a community radio host who uses a
> Riverside record
> for his intro to his show every week. A few bands even use
> this style in
> recordings using spoken word and motor sound intros to
> songs, and some
> even use recorded samples at live shows between songs or
> even motor
> sounds during songs!
> 
> http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_records.htm
> 
> http://www.myspace.com/knuckeldrager
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Wasserman
> Sound Archives- Audio Specialist
> Wisconsin Historical Society
> 816 State St. Room 438
> Madison, WI 53706
> 608-264-6473
> [log in to unmask]
> www.wisconsinhistory.org 
> Collecting, Preserving and Sharing Stories Since 1846
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger and Allison
> Kulp
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Riverside Race Car Records
> 
> Well Tom,as you know Estrus,Hillsdale,and a couple of other
> labels in
> the 90s, put out records lovingly aping the designs of the
> Fleetwood,Riverside racing Lps.Here's an example: 
> http://www.timkerr.net/discography_lhfixers.html#80 
>  Sensational Sounds Of The 1995 Estrus Invitationals EP
> Format: 7"
> Label: Estrus
> Release Date: 1996
> Ref.: ESP 3233
> 
> Some of the Fleetwood Lps are out on CD:
> http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=1960174
> http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=1958372
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Bakersfield-1963-5th-Annual-Fuel-Gas-Racing-CD-NEW_W
> 0QQitemZ140083953310QQihZ004QQcategoryZ2875QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742
> .m153.l1262
> And others have put out private issue CDs doing the same
> stuff,like 
> http://www.gamutrecords.com/3.html
> http://www.racinguniversity.com/sounds.htm
> 
> So,it's not a forgotten little genre.
> 
>                           Roger
> 
> - On Sun, 9/7/08, Tom Fine
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Riverside Race Car Records
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 2:35 PM
> > I remember that Ustinov album. We played our copy to
> death
> > when we were kids.
> > 
> > I think the whole "big world in stereo in my
> living
> > room" genre was a bit of a money-maker in the 
> > early days of stereo. Trains, planes, automobiles and
> > musical effects. I always imagine the guy 
> > somewhere between the old John Doormat cartoons and
> the
> > swells of "Mad Men" using these records to 
> > convince the wife to get comfortable with the second
> > speaker in the living room. But the cars racing 
> > around the room and jets flying left to right just
> > don't do the trick. She frowns, pours another 
> > drink and resigns herself to dusting one more large
> > surface.
> > 
> > The somewhat analog of this scene today is the guy
> rolling
> > up on his McMansion with a 60" 
> > flat-screen in the back of the SUV.
> > 
> > There are plenty of good documentaries out there about
> auto
> > racing in the 50's and 60's. It was very 
> > different from the videogame-esque NASCAR scene today.
> Both
> > road racing and drag racing and even 
> > grand prix racing were more dangerous and interesting
> --
> > for both drivers and spectators. It wasn't 
> > quite a blood sport but there were plenty of
> injury-causing
> > mishaps to be witnessed. Many of the 
> > early hi-fi and stereo enthusiasts were war veterans,
> so
> > the idea of some danger combined with large 
> > machines and loud motors probably brought back some
> > memories and sold some records. I like these 
> > records because they are something like historical
> > artifacts -- you don't hear a lot of these sounds 
> > at a modern-day racing event. I've often wished
> Rhino
> > or some other "vintage"-oriented label would
> 
> > put together a CD box set of the best of them, maybe
> > combined with some over-the-top TV and radio 
> > ads from the day.
> > 
> > -- Tom Fine
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David Lennick"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Riverside Race Car Records
> > 
> > 
> > > John Ross wrote:
> > >> At  9/7/2008 11:39 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
> > >>> Apparently, Bill Gauer, Keepnews'
> partner
> > at Riverside, was a racing car nut and was very into 
> > >>> making these "environmental
> audio"
> > recordings.
> > >>
> > >> This raises a question I've always
> wondered
> > about: Who bought all those Riverside sports car 
> > >> records? They still show up in secondhand
> record
> > bins, so SOMEBODY must have bought them new, but 
> > >> did they sell enough to break even, let alone
> make
> > money, or were they just an excuse for Grauer 
> > >> to talk his way into the pits at races with
> his
> > microphone?
> > >>
> > >> I suppose they didn't cost much to
> produce. No
> > studio time, no royalties or performers' fees. 
> > >> Could they have been a profitable sideline
> like
> > the Elektra sound effects records?
> > >
> > > Further amazing that they had enough of a sense
> of
> > humor to issue Peter Ustinov's hour-long parody 
> > > of the whole genre, a disc which stayed in print
> long
> > enough to be reprocessed in fake stereo 
> > > (aaaaaak).
> > >>
> > >> There's a Riverside comedy record by a
> standup
> > comic whose name I have forgotten in which the 
> > >> comic muses about a phone call:
> > >>         "Riverside Records, can I help
> > you?"
> > >>         "Yes, Bill Grauer please."
> > >>         "I'm sorry, he's under a
> > Porsche, taking a level."
> > >
> > > I can recall about 3 comedy albums on Riverside
> (aside
> > from Ustinov)..Henry Morgan, "George 
> > > Crater" (Ed Sherman), and Louis Nye (Heigh
> Ho
> > Madison Avenue). Was it one of these?
> > >
> > > dl
> > >>
> > >> John Ross
> > >>
> > >