Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:52:58 -0400
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From:         Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi Phillip:

You were also one of the future-seeing guys who bought Muntz carts and Betamax, weren't you?

Tongue firmly in cheek on that one. Have a great 4th!

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "phillip holmes" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Longevity


> Hey Tom,
> Stop picking on me.  And the CD player cost $140.  And I got it from Best 
> Buy.  It also plays SACD and DVDA pretty good.  Actually, the SACD playback 
> is fantastic for what it is.  I still don't think this CD thing is going to 
> make it.  MP3 is going to rule.  All you suckers who adopted CD are going to 
> be like all those early adopters of stereo.  The joke's on you losers!
> Besides, I got my $10,000 turntable for 1/3 of MSRP.  I'm no sucker!
> Phillip (tongue in cheek, if you couldn't tell).
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Fine" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Longevity
> 
> 
>> Yes, this whole fingerprint thing reminds me of the audiophool with the 
>> $10K record player and the $50 Chinese Wal-Mart CD player claiming LPs 
>> "always" sound better and CDs "always" sound "terrible."
>>
>> For what it's worth, I borrow, play and sometimes make personal-use copies 
>> of circulated library CD's and DVD's all the time. We're talking 
>> fingerprints galore and scratches to boot, plus usually some sort of 
>> off-center stick-on library label to potentially effect playback 
>> mechanics.  Never had a problem, using typical consumer DVD players and 
>> Plextor drives in the computer. I had a DVD last week ("Battle of 
>> Algiers" -- superb movie, highly recommended, DVD reissue is excellent) 
>> that had a pinhole chunk chipped out of the edge. It played perfectly -- I 
>> tested every bit of the DVD because I was curious if there was a data 
>> problem from the chunk. It was all scratched up too.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jerome Hartke" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Longevity
>>
>>
>>> Moving away from opinions, our testing laboratory has conducted tests on
>>> both CD and DVD discs containing such defects, both of our own 
>>> fabrication
>>> and obtained from Philips Laboratories. Results are as described in my
>>> initial contribution.
>>>
>>> Simple fingerprints should never interfere with playback unless the read
>>> drive is of very poor quality. The real risk of fingerprints is in the 
>>> oils
>>> from the body. Those of each person are distinct, and some can degrade 
>>> discs
>>> over an extended period of time.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>> Media Sciences, Inc.
>>> http://www.mscience.com/
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alex Hartov
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 5:58 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Longevity
>>>>
>>>> That is part of the hype.  You try it.  I know from experience that a
>>>> simple finger print will mess up playback on either CD or DVD.  I
>>>> don't know where the notion of a whole in the CD/DVD being
>>>> recoverable comes from but it's definitely nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:31 PM, phillip holmes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> CD and DVD error detection and correction algorithms will "play"
>>>> >> discs with
>>>> >> 2 mm diameter holes. Some DVD systems require a 6 mm defect before
>>>> >> data loss
>>>> >> occurs, and the problem is then loss of servo lock by the read
>>>> >> drive. Can
>>>> >> 78s do this?
>>
>>