Date:         Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:48:47 -0400
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I have several volumes of JATP on Mercury 78's. They are definitely badged Mercury and have "Norman 
Granz Presents" on the label.

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> The first JATP album was definitely on Asch-Stinson (did it ever appear on pre-Stinson Asch?). 
> Granz took the masters to Moe. Disc got Volume II (did this appear in various forms on ten-inch 
> and twelve-inch and with 2 discs and 3? I seem to remember variant versions of it). Then, over to 
> Clef for remaining volumes, and there were some sets that appeared both on Disc and Clef (like The 
> Groove Juice Symphony).
>
> dl
>
> John Ross wrote:
>> Were  first JATP releases on Mercury? I have a Fall 1946 Disc Catalog that includes about half a 
>> dozen Norman Granz productions, including "Jazz at the Philharmonic--Vol 2" (Disc Album 501) and 
>> several other "-- 
>> at the Philharmonic" items. There's no "Vol. 1" in the catalog, which suggests that it might have 
>> been issued by somebody else. I don't think Moe Asch ever took anything out of his catalog 
>> voluntarily.
>>
>> Disc was Moe Asch's label before he established Folkways. At some point, he went into a 
>> partnership with Stinson, which led to many of the early "Folksay" things appearing on both 
>> labels after they split apart. There were several JATP releases on Stinson, probably with some of 
>> the same material as the Norgran/Verve titles.
>>
>> How did Disc and Stinson fit into the release history of the JATP recordings?
>>
>> John Ross
>>
>> At  7/8/2008 05:50 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>> One man's opinion here -- Norman Granz never gets the credit he deserves. I think there were 
>>> some animosities with the self-appointed "experts" and "critics" back in the Verve days, and 
>>> that might have something to do with it. He also didn't write an autobiography (at least that I 
>>> know of), unfortunately. This guy built three distinct and great catalogs of jazz -- 1) the Jazz 
>>> at the Philharmonic live recordings, and the related in-studio jam sessions (first released 
>>> through Mercury and then through Norgran/Verve), 2) the excellent Verve studio recordings of the 
>>> 50's that continued even after Granz sold the label to MGM, 3) and then, out of retirement, the 
>>> Pablo catalog, which has some weak spots but also proves the amazing longevity of some of the 
>>> jazz greats.
>>
>>
>