Date:         Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:30:03 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Can 78s sound better than LPs?
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The Technics SP10 and SP15 tables, at 78, make less noise than at 33.  
And stop making fun of $10k record players.  Some do have a point.  I 
bought mine used for significantly less than MSRP.
Here's a couple things (one about my table, one about vacuum hold down):
http://www.stereophile.com/turntables/785/   (J. Gordon Holt wasn't into 
snake oil--you can trust him)
http://www.audioinvest.no/luxman/info_pdf/vds_info.pdf


Tom Fine wrote:
> I think you'd need a lot of mechanical damping, even on that $10K 
> record player. 45RPM seems like the best of all worlds, but I still 
> think a properly made CD sends all grooved disks to the dustbin of 
> history.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan P. Milovanovic" 
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> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Can 78s sound better than LPs?
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>> Speaking of this subject (while remembering those 45rpm 1980s 12" 
>> maxi singles, and having heard some good 78s reocrded properly and in 
>> good condition),
>> I can only wonder how 78rpm record can sound by using mix of modern 
>> and past
>> technologies: f.e direct cut for lacquers with wide groove and 
>> pressing in
>> finest (but thick) vinyl, properly centered and carefully made... 
>> Probably
>> with magnificent dynamic, resistant to microscopically large 
>> scratches or
>> dust, and capable of something that 33.3rpm micro record was never 
>> capable
>> of...
>>
>> Unfortunately, it was 33.3rpm standard invented as needfulness for
>> synchronizing playing early sound movie pictures. And God knows, what
>> tomorrow brings.
>>
>> "Forgotten" audio format, and that 78rpm phonograph record to modern
>> technology surely is, can have its renaissance...
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Milan
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Olhsson" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Can 78s sound better than LPs?
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>>
>>> Marcos Sueiro Bal wrote:
>>>> My question is: is the 78 "system" inherently an inferior product?
>>>
>>> It is inherently a superior product however this allowed greater 
>>> liberties
>>> to be taken in manufacturing quality.
>>>
>>> For the life of me I don't understand the rationalizations people 
>>> make for
>>> using less than the best available audio technology. Degradation is 
>>> always
>>> a downhill spiral with additional degradation never being obscured 
>>> by the
>>> original level of degradation.
>>>
>>> In the case of analog disks, every single play degrades the source. 
>>> There
>>> is no legitimate excuse for ever using less than the very best audio
>>> technology available.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN
>>> Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
>>> Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!
>>> 615.385.8051    http://www.hyperback.com 
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