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Community Liaison Council Meeting Minutes

June 20, 2002, 4–6:30 p.m.
Natcher Conference Center, Building 45, Conference Room D

HANDOUTS

  • Agenda
  • May 16, 2002, Community Liaison Council (CLC) meeting minutes

  • NIH CLC Members (roster as of June 18, 2002)

  • The NIH Record, June 11, 2002, Vol. LIV, No. 12

  • Rock Creek Watershed Restoration Action Plan, July 2001, Montgomery County

  • Department of Environmental Protection, Montgomery County, Maryland, printout of slide presentation on the Rock Creek Watershed Restoration, Stoney Creek Watershed and the NIH Pond

  • NIH Perimeter Fence Conceptual Design prepared by the NIH Office of Facilities Planning, Office of Research Services

  • Letter of June 14, 2002 to the Honorable Constance A. Morella, U.S. House of Representatives from Elias A. Zerhouni, M.D., the Director of the National Institutes of Health, addressing questions posed by Rep. Morella about the NIH perimeter fence

  • Huntington Terrace Survey showing graphics of community members' responses/data to a survey conducted on the proposed NIH fence
  • Sunflower seed packet

WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS

Ms. Janyce Hedetniemi, Director of the Office of Community Liaison (OCL), NIH, welcomed CLC members, invited presenters, and community members to the meeting. New members introduced included Ms. Jule Crider, representing Chevy Chase View Association and Ms. Kira Leuders, Ph.D., representing Parkwood Terrace.

REVIEW OF MAY 16, 2002, CLC MEETING MINUTES

A request for a review and any corrections to the minutes of May 16, 2002, brought forth two items from Mr. George Oberlander, Huntington Parkway Citizens Association, who provided a correction on page one regarding the Family Lodge, which is an independent entity not affiliated with the Children's Inn. The minutes should read: The Family Lodge expansion is now fully funded by the Safra Foundation. Further, he noted on page 2 that the gas line item had not been discussed during the CLC's Agenda Subcommittee meeting on June 10, 2002.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Announcements included a request by Jennie Kirby, Community Relations Specialist, OCL, NIH, for CLC members to view a map and map key posted in the meeting room that shows the NIH Campus and contiguous and other nearby neighborhood streets. Members were asked to update and correlate the numbers on the key to a section on the map delineating their neighborhood's parameters. This visual display will be used as a reference to orient CLC members and presenters during discussions pertaining to specific neighborhoods and their location near NIH.

Mr. Randy Schools of the NIH Recreation and Welfare Association reported the summer outdoor movie series will take place August 16 through 25, 2002 and will be located in the lawn area between Strathmore Hall Arts Center and the American Speech–Language–Hearing Association on Rockville Pike, near the Grosvenor Metro Station. Parking will include space at Metro and Georgetown Preparatory School. Arrangements for a shuttle to and from White Flint Plaza are being discussed. The series is partially underwritten by Comcast and Montgomery County. Mr. Schools noted special themes and activities appropriate to the movies being shown, including appearances of Elvis impersonators to commemorate the 25th anniversary of Elvis' death and the U.S. Air Force's The Airmen of Note to honor federal government workers and the military.

Further, Mr. Schools remarked that the Farmer's Market has been relocated from its site on the NIH campus to the DHHS Parklawn Building; and he noted that other locations, such as White Flint Mall, will be considered. Ms. Ginny Miller, CLC Co-Chairperson, suggested that Cabin John Park be considered as a location.

Ms. Hedetniemi prefaced her introduction of her successor by relating information about her meeting with Elias A. Zerhouni, M.D., who assumed the position of Director of the National Institutes of Health on May 20, 2002. In discussing the perimeter fence, she reported that Dr. Zerhouni expressed his interest in guarding the NIH, "a national treasure," and meeting the needs of the community regarding access to Metro. Dr. Zerhouni wants a flawless transition between OCL Directors.

Ms. Hedetniemi introduced OCL Director Designate Thomas Gallagher, M.S., Ph.D., who will assume his new role on July 1, 2002. She remarked on his career of public service with the federal government, the State of Wisconsin, and academic institutions in Kansas and Wisconsin, and also in the private sector with several major corporations. His spouse, Sonja, and sons reside with him in Chevy Chase, Maryland.

INTRODUCTION OF CLC MEMBERS

Ms. Hedetniemi asked the CLC members to introduce themselves and to name the organization they represent.

CLC QUESTIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS

In response to questions posed by Mr.Eric Larsen, Sonoma Citizens Association, regarding NIH's guidance and authority regarding security measures, Ms. Hedetniemi referred Mr. Larsen to a handout, a letter from Dr. Zerhouni to Representative Connie Morella, which addressed these issues.

Ms. Miller had received a call from Howard Denis' office [Mr. Denis is District 1 Council member of the Montgomery County Council] about an appeal for further commercial zoning on Old Georgetown Road. There is a lobster sales enterprise situated on Old Georgetown Road at Greentree in the parking area next to the Bethesda Community Store, which itself has a zoning exception as an historic site. Although the issue is not pertinent to the Council's mission, she thought that community members may wish to attend any future hearings on the zoning issue that may impact communities between Battery Lane and Wildwood Shopping Center. Ms. Eleanor Rice of Locust Hill Civic Association, requested notification by e-mail of upcoming hearings regarding this zoning appeal.

Ms. Marilyn Mazuzan, Town of Oakmont, remains concerned about the NIH Bloch Building's level of noise from the chiller. Ms. Hedetniemi stated that the silencer kit for the chiller silencer would be installed as of June 28, 2002.

PRESENTATIONS

Regional Storm Water Management Facility on the NIH Campus, 30% Design Review
by Clarence Dukes, NIH Office of Facilities Planning (OFP), Office of Research Services (ORS)


Mr. Dukes introduced the individuals involved with the Montgomery County storm water management plans, including Craig Carson, John Hollister, Dan Harper, and Cameron Wiegand, all with Montgomery County Department of Environmental Protection (MCDEP), Watershed Management Division (WMD), Stu Robinson and Francis Agyei from A. Morton Thomas and Associates, Inc., and Ed Pfister and William (Kenny) Floyd, with the NIH Environmental Protection Branch.

Mr. Dukes introduced Mr. Harper, a senior engineer with MCDEP, WMD. Mr. Harper presented background and slides about biological conditions and the habitat in surrounding streams throughout Montgomery County. He presented an overview and analysis of conditions and different management areas for differing types of streams and provided information about how storm water runoff impacts stream conditions and erosion.

Mr. Hollister, a MCDEP staff engineer, presented planning objectives to restore the Rock Creek Watershed and the concept for a new regional storm water pond at the southeast corner of NIH. The 219-acre watershed that drains to the pond site includes much of downtown Bethesda. Objectives for building the pond include meeting environmental requirements under the NIH Master Plan, improving water quality in Stoney Creek, and reducing storm water flow rates and resulting erosion.

To date, the design process has included a feasibility analysis, a hydraulic analysis and a 30% design. Mr. Hollister presented the results of these efforts to the CLC. The hydraulic analysis evaluated the stormdrain capacity both under Wisconsin Ave. and along Glenbrook Parkway and determined the potential for flooding during very large storm events. The wet pond and forebay will cover 1.2 acres, with a maximum depth of six feet. During maximum flood containment, the pond will cover an area of 3.1 acres. The pond will include safety features, wetland vegetation, and include the preservation and relocation of existing trees. Drawing showing a preliminary plan and profile of the pond were included in the presentation.

Next steps for pond design involve additional public input, a presentation to the Montgomery County Planning Board, a site walk, and a subsequent opportunity for input from the CLC in September or October. After completion of the 60 percent design in the September timeframe, applications for permits will be submitted to comply with regulatory requirements of Montgomery County and the State of Maryland. Design will be completed in March 2003, and with final approval, advertising and submission of bids for construction will take place May 2003, construction would begin in fall 2003, with completion six to eight months thereafter.

Questions

Council members asked questions about the site and design, storm events and peak flow, excavation, truck hauling of soil, disruption to contiguous neighborhoods, timing of "disruptive" services, and balancing the new ecosystem, e.g., mosquitoes, geese, and other insects and animals. Specific concerns (listed below) will be addressed during the next presentation to the CLC.

Mr. Ralph Schofer, Maplewood Citizens Association, asked about several aspects of the pond and its proposed location on the NIH Campus. Mr. Harper stated that excavation and soil removal to an off site location would be handled by a contractor. Further, Mr. Harper provided an ecosystem strategy to keep the mosquito situation in check, including introducing frogs and dragonflies to control mosquitoes, and deterring resident geese by planting tall grass.

Ms. Debbie Michaels, Glenbrook Village Home Owners Association, asked about noise factors associated with the pond construction and whether the nearby area of Glenbrook would be disrupted by the construction. Mr. Harper cited daytime hours of 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. for pond construction. MCDEP will coordinate the relocation of an underground PEPCO transmission line around the pond so that service disruptions will either be minimized or eliminated. MCDEP will notify any affected PEPCO customers in advance of the relocation work.

Clarification about the position of the pond and its relationship to the proposed location of the fence was requested. Ms. Serras-Fiotes noted that the pond would lie outside of the proposed Campus pedestrian fence and would be situated at the southeast corner of the NIH Campus, south of the Lister Hill Building of the National Library of Medicine.

Mr. George Oberlander, Huntington Parkway Citizens Association, asked how the pond area would vary during seasonal rains. Mr. Harper stated that it would take 5 inches of rain to fill the entire pond area of 3.1 acres, as occurs during a tropical storm, which typically happens once every 10 years. Mr. Oberlander asked about the soil embankment surrounding the pond. Mr. Harper said it would be four to six feet above the existing elevation and 20 feet wide and may be visible from Wisconsin or Woodmont Avenues.

Mr. Harper indicated that the pond performance will be evaluated under a number of storm events. These events are described by the probability of receiving an amount of precipitation based on historical records. For example, rain amounts of at least 2.6 inches over 24 hours have occurred in half of the years on record, which means that on average, we are likely to see this precipitation amount once every two years. This is called a 2-year storm. For safety reasons, the pond and potential flooding will be evaluated for more severe storms, such as a "hundred year storm", the most recent being hurricane Agnes in 1972, when flooding was 1.5 feet deep on Wisconsin Avenue. Mr. Harper presented a drawing showing the extent of possible flooding (without the pond) due to a 100-year storm. Flooding issues downstream of the pond site will be discussed in greater detail at the next public meeting held by MCDEP.

Dr. Harvey Eisen, Edgewood Glenwood Citizens Association, asked if in addition to the pond at the southeast corner of the NIH Campus, there were plans to address the spillover from the pipes near Maple Ridge and Glenwood, which also affects the runoff and erosion of tree roots near the Whitehall drain. Mr. Floyd responded that NIH is looking into this issue as well.

Ms. Rice asked about the anticipated time for silt buildup and the need for future dredging of the pond to sustain the desired objectives. Mr. Harper estimated that it would be 30 to 50 years before dredging would be required and that the pond's forebays will require follow-up work every 5 to 7 years and can be accessed easily for this to take place.

Ms. Rice asked for further information about the watershed area and runoff associated with the creek at the northeast side of the Campus at Rockville Pike and Cedar Lane. Ms. Kristen O'Connor, Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission (M-NCPPC) offered her assistance in addressing these concerns. In addition, it was noted that Mr. Doug Redmond of M-NCPPC has been coordinating with MCDEP in regards to scheduling a future Montgomery County Planning Board meeting.

Ms. Hedetniemi suggested that these concerns and follow-up questions be addressed by the Storm water Management team during the next meeting of the CLC in July. She asked members to send written questions and comments to her office in advance of the July 18 CLC meeting.

CLC Appreciation Presentation
by Ginny Miller, CLC Co-chair

Ms. Ginny Miller, Co-Chair of the CLC, thanked Ms. Hedetniemi for her years of service as the NIH OCL Director and presented her with a parting gift. Ms. Miller remarked on the qualities that Ms. Hedetniemi brought to often contentious situations and how with leadership, compassion, and understanding, she has always stood up for the community and been its worthy liaison.

Ms. Hedetniemi remarked that the CLC had together created an unprecedented blend of members of federal, private, and public communities. She cited the many accomplishments of the CLC whose endeavors have been engaging and rewarding, even though sometimes frustrating for its various entities. Ms. Rice followed up by thanking Ms. Hedetniemi for her long time service and encouraged CLC members to continue to bring their invaluable perspectives to the work of the Council and remarked on the importance and value of their collective institutional memory. Ms. Hedetniemi thanked the Council for their good wishes and thoughtful gift; and, in turn, presented Ms. Miller with a parting gift.

Presentation of Initial Design Concept for the NIH Perimeter Fence
by Stella Serras-Fiotes, Director, OFP, ORS, NIH

Ms. Hedetniemi prefaced her introduction of Ms. Serras-Fiotes by restating that NIH Director, Dr. Zerhouni, is committed to preserving the NIH—a national treasure—and noted his desire to establish a workable partnership with the community and members of the Council.

She then introduced Ms. Serras-Fiotes who presented exhibits and an overview of the assessment that contributed to the initial design concept and elements for the NIH Campus perimeter fence.

The objectives for Ms. Serras-Fiotes presentation focused on the siting and design of the fence and how the fence elements are planned to be adaptable and flexible in response to varying security alert levels put forth by the Homeland Security Office. She asked CLC members to review these elements and provide feedback to further assist in planning the fence. First, she indicated the location of the fence, situated to provide a safe distance from campus buildings around the perimeter. Second, she explained various details about the access gates and materials suggested for vehicle and pedestrian barriers. Third, she addressed the planning concerns for the buffer zone and the placement of vehicle entrances so that the traffic flow on Rockville Pike and Old Georgetown Road will not be impeded, yet would prevent uninspected vehicles from gaining access to the campus. Fourth, she stated that archeological and historic features, landscaping, and topography were among items considered in the assessment. Finally, Metro access and the future Visitor's Center were identified as important factors in the development of a design. Currently these elements have not been designed, however a concept of how they should work to accommodate the stated objectives has been developed.

Using an exhibit map, she provided a perimeter overview, noting the setbacks of 100 or 250 feet for uninspected pedestrians in vehicles. Further, she remarked that criteria by the National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC) helped determine the setback measurements; and she noted that these assumptions are less stringent than are those of U.S. State Department and those of federal facilities in downtown Washington, DC. She indicated the location of proposed pedestrian entrances for NIH employee entry and egress, situated near Old Georgetown Road and Cedar Lane, and vehicular gates, situated at Center and South Drives on the east and west sides of Campus. In addition, she remarked that any potential archaeological sites would be avoided.

In addition, Ms. Serras-Fiotes introduced the consultant architects from LSY Architects and Clinton & Associates. They provided preliminary fence design sketches, which give a sense of the character of the fence and variety of elements proposed, such as a mix of boulders, stone walls, cable, and black steel pickets and supporting columns, that contribute to a residential feel for the design.

Questions

Mr. Larsen, requested details about the stone wall 36-inch high vehicular barrier that will mainly follow Old Georgetown on the west side of the Campus. Ms. Serras-Fiotes remarked that this wall, designed to protect pedestrians and bicyclists, is separate from the proposed black picket fence, which is to be situated on the campus side of the pedestrian and bike path. She pointed out that a similar "New England-type" stone wall, a foot to a foot and a half wide, already exists near Maplewood Drive and Cedar Lane.

Dr. Lucy Ozarin asked about the black fence height and whether the existing chain link fence would be replaced. Ms. Serras-Fiotes said the black fence is roughly 8.5 feet high and that the existing chain link fence would remain approximately 75' from the fence.

It was suggested by the Council that the pedestrian pathway and fence be placed closer to the perimeter fence at the southwest corner in order to shorten the distance around the perimeter and be positioned away from the residential boundaries.

Others wanted to know whether there would be card access or security guards at the pedestrian entrances. Ms. Serras-Fiotes remarked that under the current security alert level card access would be provided for employees only.

Ms. Rice voiced concerns regarding traffic impacts, especially for the proposed bus routes from points near the Metro and encompassing the roads outside the Campus perimeter. She asked about a jug handle to accommodate traffic that is now prevented from turning left (west) from Rockville Pike on to Cedar Lane. Ms. Serras-Fiotes said there were no plans for an easement to accommodate a jug handle, and further, that these concerns would be under the purview of Montgomery County.

Ms. Lorraine Driscoll of Huntington Terrace Citizens Association followed up by sharing details of a preliminary survey of 30 households (out of 300) regarding convenience to Medical Center Metro as a factor in their decision to move to Huntington Terrace, frequency of Metro use, and convenience and access to Metro by local citizens and their visitors.

Other Questions about NIH Security

  • What factors are being considered by the NIH for issuing key cards? In addition to NIH personnel, will the public be able to apply for a card?
    Considering the current state of alert, only employees would obtain key card access to the campus. Yet, there is hope that we could return to an open campus if prevailing conditions subside.

  • Will the perimeter fence preclude the need for Security personnel to be situated in each of the NIH buildings?
    At some buildings, yes, at others, no.

  • What alternatives were considered to constructing a perimeter fence?
    Alternatives considered were operational in terms of patrolling the premise and buildings, in terms of surveillance, and hardening [fortifying] campus buildings to resist explosive blasts.

  • What is the concept for the appearance of guard houses at roadway access points?
    At this point, the planners have not looked at gate or guard house designs.

  • Will the gates be locked at nighttime?
    These items will be considered.

  • To get to Metro, will all citizens, who are not NIH employees, have to walk around the outside of the Campus?
    Under the current plan, Yes; except for those doing business at NIH who enter at the proposed Visitors Center.

  • How long is the estimated time to walk around the entire Campus?
    Twenty-five minutes or more.

  • If citizens are using Metro late in the evening and into the night, how will buses be scheduled to meet the needs of those traveling to the other side of the Campus?
    NIH will work with the appropriate county transportation agencies.

  • Where should written questions and comments be submitted.
    They should be sent to the NIH Office of Community Liaison.

  • Have the planners conducted research to learn how many employee or neighborhood pedestrians currently transverse the Campus or perimeter routes to get to and return from Metro?
    NIH conducted pedestrian surveys. During peak three-hour periods during nice weather in March, there were 30-50 pedestrians (non-NIH employees) who were crossing the Campus or walking along the perimeter to Metro.

  • Could that number of community pedestrians be accommodated at the vehicle checkpoints?
    Not under the current plan.

  • When crossing Old Georgetown Road, have pedestrian needs at the northwest corner been considered?
    The appropriate agency will be asked to look into this situation.

  • Will the existing sidewalks be removed when the bike/pedestrian path is installed?
    It will depend on the details of the path.

  • Why is the laboratory devoted to bioterrorism research being situated at NIH at all, and why so close to the perimeter?
    The rationale is stated in the document, entitled NIAID Strategic Plan for Biodefense Research (February 2002), prepared by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, NIH. It is found on the Web at URL http://www.niaid.nih.gov.
  • ACTION ITEMS

    • Mr. Schools will consider Cabin John Park as a location for the relocated NIH Farmer's Market.
    • Ms. Miller will notify CLC members by e-mail of any upcoming hearings regarding commercial zoning at Old Georgetown and Greentree Roads.
    • The Storm water Management team will follow-up on questions about the pond design during an upcoming meeting of the CLC.
    • CLC members should send written questions and comments or their concerns to the Office of Community Liaison in advance of the July 18 CLC meeting.
    • Mr. Harper will notify PEPCO that residents in the Glenbrook area wish to receive advance notice of the repositioning of electric cables that span Wisconsin Avenue during the construction of the NIH pond.
    • The Council suggested that the Storm Water Management team provide definitions of storms and their frequency and the impact of various past local storms on Bethesda when they present information about the project.
    • Mr. Floyd will look into any plans to address the spillover from the pipes near Maple Ridge and Glenwood, which also affects the runoff and erosion of tree roots near the Whitehall drain.
    • Ms. O'Connor offered her assistance in addressing concerns about the watershed and erosion associated with storm water.
    • The OCL will ask Ride-On to consider bus schedules to meet the needs of those traveling especially at night to the other side of the Campus to and from the Medical Center Metro station. Current service is not very frequent.
    • The OCL will ask the appropriate County agency to consider the safety needs of pedestrians crossing at the northwest corner of NIH at Old Georgetown Road and Cedar Lane.
    • The OFP/ORS will check on plans for the existing sidewalks when the bike/pedestrian path is installed.

    NEXT MEETING

    The next CLC meeting will take place on July 18, 2002. There will be no meeting in August.

    ATTENDEES

    CLC Members:
    Lorraine Bell, Palladian Partners, Inc.
    Stefanie Brown, NCPC
    Bel Ceja, NIH Alumni Association
    Anthony Clifford, DES, ORS, NIH
    Jack Costello, Bethesda Parkhill Citizens Association
    Jule Crider, Chevy Chase View
    Lorraine Driscoll, Huntington Terrace Citizens Association
    Harvey Eisen, Edgewood Glenwood Citizens Association
    Ken Floyd, DS, ORS, NIH
    Daniel Fox, East Bethesda Citizens Association
    Morton Goldman, Luxmanor Citizens Association
    Jeanne Goldstein, Montgomery County Civic Federation
    Janyce Hedetniemi, OCL, OD, NIH
    Jennie Kirby, OCL, OD, NIH
    Martin Klauber, People's Council of Montgomery County, MD
    Terry LaMotte, Palladian Partners, Inc.
    Eric Larsen, Sonoma Citizens Association
    Kira Lueders, Parkwood Residents Association
    Marilyn Mazuzan, Town of Oakmont
    Debbie Michaels, Glenbrook Village Homeowners Association
    Ginny Miller, Wyngate Citizens Association
    George Oberlander, Huntington Parkway Citizens Association
    Kristin O'Connor, M-NCPPC
    Lucy Ozarin, Whitehall Condominium Association
    Karen Pierce, Suburban Hospital Foundation
    Eleanor Rice, Locust Hill Civic Association
    Sharon Robinson, OCL, OD, NIH
    Stephen Sawicki, Edgewood Glenwood Citizens Association
    Ralph Schofer, Maplewood Citizens AssociationRandy Schools, Recreation & Welfare Association, NIH
    Stella Serras-Fiotes, ORS, OFP
    Richard Sipe, Camelot Mews Citizens Association
    Deborah Snead, Bethesda-Chevy Chase Services Center

    Guests:
    Marion Clark, M-NCPPC
    Sandy Clinton, Clinton & Associates
    Linda Cornelius
    Catherine Dolinski, Gazette
    D. Dumtoft
    E. Dumtoft
    Scott Herbstman, Gazette
    Lesley Hildebrand, Huntingon Terrace Citizens Association
    Edna Hokinson
    Bob Hruby, Clinton & Associates
    Eugene Keller, NCPC
    Lynn Mueller, GMLS, NIH
    Paul Noursi, PHRA
    Ed Pfister, EPB, NIH
    Shelley Weidz

     

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