Truth Patrol, Tulsa (12/21/2008 5:16:26 AM)

Interesting. When are you going to start talking about all of the illegal aliens killing people, now, instead of working hard to dig up this obscure story to try to bolster your support for illegal immigration?

Brad, Tulsa (12/21/2008 5:41:23 AM)

*For a reference of the "hate & intolerance" in the article, refer to the above comment.

Popeye, T-Town (12/21/2008 6:29:31 AM)

Jonesy:
""Such groups are aided, unwittingly I hope, by misguided laws such as House Bill 1804 and its offshoots. Such laws paint with a broad brush. And I write that more than metaphorically. . . “”

~~~~~ Good Grief!! Are you serious? You are using two killings that didn’t even occur in Oklahoma to segue into an anti HB1804 rant? Come on, an editor for the likes of the Tulsa World should be able to do better than that.

Then, “”Most unfortunate in such times is that HB 1804 and its ilk cast a shadow over the entire Hispanic community. Even Hispanics who were born here, have lived their entire lives here and are more American than Hispanic are under suspicion. How would you like to go through life in that shadow? Only minorities can understand that feeling. “”

~~~~ The only reason Hispanic’s would have to suffer more than say, Chinese, is because of the sheer number of Hispanics that ARE here illegally compared people of other cultures or colors. ~~~~ Our legislatures did what we elected them to do: Address the problem of illegal immigration and the flood of “whatevers” taking dollars from the State and it’s communities in a plethora of ways. It costs money and takes resources, Jonesy, to deliver to the citizens of our State (and our country) the benefits they are entitled to as legal citizens and taxpayers. The scales got way-y-y-y out of balance Jonesy, and you know it!

And then you further rant, ”I have said this before, and it usually falls upon deaf ears, but the country has an illegal immigration problem. It needs a fair resolution at the federal level. Mean-spirited state laws only feed the fires of hate and distrust. They resurrect a part of our history that we at one time hoped had been left behind.”

~~~~ Bull! The Federal Government can’t even keep its pants up, much less run a race! There is absolutely nothing wrong with State’s governing themselves and taking the LEAD in these matters, and you know it. If we followed your logic, the laws we passed to limit access to cold medicine should have resulted in methamphetamine cooks killing people from the Food Network -- somewhere clear across the country of course!

And finally, “In tough times, minorities always suffer. They must endure the same economic hardships but they also get a lot of the blame for the problems. That, sadly, leads to incidences such as those in New York.”

~~~~ Yes we do! I’m of Irish decent and a bottle of Balmoral is almost $65.00 !

TulsanBornTulsanBred, (12/21/2008 9:46:54 AM)

I think some of these posters are missing the main point of this article. I'm not sure how one can find a gripe with the above message. And I wholeheartedly agree Mike, keep up the good work. Someone has to counteract the randy terrills of the world.

Bluebird48, Whiting, (12/21/2008 10:01:01 AM)

I really have to wake up earlier. Popeye said it all for me.

Might I add one point to this article though.

With all the damage done by the MADOFF. I have noticed much 'hate' blogging throughout the blog-o-sphere directed towards one ethnic group "Jewish".

Lord Have Mercy. I pray for peace every day!

Bville Yellow Dog, Bville (12/21/2008 10:05:13 AM)

Count on "Truth" to make your point for you Mike.

Tom2, (12/21/2008 10:12:35 AM)

This poor excuse for a journalist said "...Such attacks are all too common..." but he offers only two. Since he's more propagandist than journalist, I wasn't surprised he also omitted the 4,300 American citizens murdered by illegal aliens every year while they commit other crimes. He also said, "...I am afraid that it will get worse before it gets better...." but offers no proof data or anecdote to support his prediction. Then because he has no case, he tosses in the "...hatred of gays to swell their ranks...." I wonder why Jones shuns his countrymen and stands with Mexico? Perhaps he has another agenda.

Charles Darwin, Tulsa (12/21/2008 10:17:18 AM)

Another great editorial, Mike, but maybe you should go into the fumigation business. Your editorials always chase a bunch of creatures scurrying out of their dark hiding places.

my view, Sand Springs (12/21/2008 10:48:13 AM)

Mr. Jones, are you unable to find something to write about other than HB1804. Had that legisation not be passed by a solid majority in both houses I do believe, you would be without a job.

So to be balanced and possibility job protection, here is assignment for you. Instead of looking for isolated incidents half way across the country. Why don't look at home and see what kind of crimes and deaths have been perpetrated by illegals here in Oklahoma. Are you courageous enough to be fair?

LesGuvment, Sand Springs (12/21/2008 10:55:19 AM)

I agree with you, Mike Jones. Great article.

tfromtulsa, Tulsa (12/21/2008 11:01:23 AM)

Yeah, Mike, how about for once presenting BOTH sides of the illegal issue?

How about for once writing about the crimes committed by illegals against our citizens?

You won't have to dig for isolated incidents for that article.

tfromtulsa, Tulsa (12/21/2008 11:07:57 AM)

"Such groups are aided, unwittingly I hope, by misguided laws such as House Bill 1804 and its offshoots. Such laws paint with a broad brush."

Such laws target people who are in our country illegally. Thanks, Mike, for finally admitting that the illegal problem is widespread.

GE 918, Tulsa (12/21/2008 11:35:48 AM)

After reading some of the comments here, I'm reminded that we still have a very long way to go when it comes to issues concerning minorities.

Bville Yellow Dog, Bville (12/21/2008 11:52:31 AM)

Yes GE - plenty of hate left...

Ayo, T-Town (12/21/2008 11:54:38 AM)

Wow, those of you lambasting Mike should also say what side you stand on for the hate crimes committed against these two Americans.

Some of you make me want to upchuck.

GE 918, Tulsa (12/21/2008 12:08:55 PM)

My View, The article referenced two legal immigrants.

Bville Yellow Dog, Bville (12/21/2008 12:10:38 PM)

This article says NOTHING about the victims being illegal. It does say they were Hispanic. Racist thought patterns....

GE 918, Tulsa (12/21/2008 12:14:10 PM)

Crime is not a race issue, it's a HUMAN issue.

my view, Sand Springs (12/21/2008 12:23:26 PM)

GE 918,
I know that the column was speaking about two legal residents. Had the column left out any reference to HB1804 I wouldn't have used the word illegal. Jones uses any excuse whatsoever to attack HB1804.

GE 918, Tulsa (12/21/2008 12:28:06 PM)

My View, Point taken. But not all illegal immigrants who come to this country commit crimes against humanity.

tfromtulsa, Tulsa (12/21/2008 12:51:27 PM)

What side are you people on when illegal aliens kill U.S. citizens?

I'm betting it's on the side of the illegals.

GE 918, Tulsa (12/21/2008 12:57:41 PM)

I am against murder period.

Charles Darwin, Tulsa (12/21/2008 1:01:33 PM)

Tfromtulsa, illegal aliens? If you're talking about undocumented aliens, let's quit playing xenophobic games. Let's get them registered, let's give them the documents, and let's get them participating in society like everybody else. A government-issued piece of paper doesn't make somebody a good person, and depriving them of that piece of paper doesn't make them bad. There are lots of offenses worse than not having a piece of paper. Things like starting a disastrous war, wrecking the economy, alienating our allies, and neglecting the environment are much worse than not having a piece of paper. Those are offenses that would justify sending somebody off to another country. Like Texas. Or maybe to The Hague.

GE 918, Tulsa (12/21/2008 1:02:34 PM)

tfromtulsa, Tulsa (12/21/2008 12:51:27 PM)
What side are you people on when illegal aliens kill U.S. citizens?

So if the murder is citizen on citizen its OK?

GE 918, Tulsa (12/21/2008 1:09:15 PM)

Can't We All Just Get Along.