SJC Probes Reliability Of Detainee
Interrogation Techniques
WASHINGTON
(Tuesday, June 10, 2008) – The Senate Judiciary Committee
Tuesday held a hearing to examine interrogation techniques used
on detainees at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere. In May,
Department of Justice Inspector General Glenn Fine, a witness at
the Tuesday hearing,
issued a report about the involvement of agents working for
the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the interrogation
of detainees. The report revealed that FBI agents witnessed the
use of abusive interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay and
other military facilities overseas.
Witnesses
joining Fine include: Valerie Caproni, FBI General Counsel; Jack
Cloonan, FBI special agent (retired); Philippe Sands, Professor
of Law, University College of London; and Philip B. Heymann,
Professor of Law, Harvard Law School.
Committee
Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) last week held a
hearing to examine whether the country’s civilian and
military justice systems are adequately equipped to handle cases
involving detainees.
Leahy’s
prepared statement is below. Witness testimony and live
streaming video is
available online.
***Note*** The
hearing will resume at 2:00 p.m. if does not conclude before
scheduled votes on the Senate Floor begin at 11:00 a.m.
Statement Of Senator
Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.),
Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee,
Hearing On "Coercive Interrogation Techniques: Do They Work, Are
They Reliable, and What Did the FBI Know About Them?"
June 10, 2008
I thank Senator
Feinstein for chairing this important hearing. For more than
six years this administration has made a mess of this nation’s
policies for dealing with detainees. Their treatment of
detainees has been a stain on this country, and our reputation
will reflect it for many years to come. The dysfunctional
military commission system put on display last week is just one
glaring example of those failures. Even 9/11 victims and their
families have been ignored in that process, and last week, I
wrote to Attorney General Mukasey after hearing reports that the
victims’ families were excluded from the arraignments of the
9/11 perpetrators. I urged him to ensure that the 9/11 victims
are treated with respect and dignity, and are provided adequate
access to the proceedings, as they would be if the government
had chosen to proceed in our established court system.
The government’s use
of abusive interrogation practices, which is the subject of
today’s hearing, is another sad example of the failure of
detainee policy. No one, either in the United States or in the
international community, will forget the chilling images from
Abu Ghraib. We have since heard of similar practices at the
Guantanamo Bay Detention facility and at other facilities
overseas. Inspector General Glenn Fine’s report is perhaps the
most thorough narrative yet of the cruel and aggressive
interrogation techniques our government employed at Guantanamo
Bay. The report raises alarming questions about
the behavior of government agencies, including the Department of
Defense.
I asked Director Mueller in March
when he was before this Committee about the FBI interrogation
practices in counterterrorism. He testified that the FBI
follows proscriptions against coercive interrogations. The
Inspector General’s report appears to confirm this, finding that
agents at the FBI generally have adhered to FBI policy in their
treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, and in Iraq and
Afghanistan. Alarmingly, however, the report also chronicles
abuses that FBI agents witnessed.
I am concerned that it took so
many years for this Committee to hear about those reports of
abuse. I and others on this Committee have been pursuing
documents and information about abusive interrogation by our
government since before the Abu Ghraib scandal. I asked
Director Mueller years ago about what he knew of these
techniques. I wish he had been more forthcoming then – it might
have assisted the Congress in investigating allegations of abuse
sooner.
One of the great tragedies of this
issue is that the coercive techniques this administration was so
determined to use are in fact not more effective. As we will
learn today from our witness panel, rapport-building techniques
are the most effective means of obtaining reliable information
from radical terrorists, like members of Al Qaeda. The FBI has
amassed considerable information from Al Qaeda suspects that has
proven to be more accurate and reliable than the information
obtained through exclusively coercive techniques.
The FBI's interrogations yielded
information about Al Qaeda's finances, recruiting methods,
location of training camps, and the identities of many of the
operatives we are still hunting today. None of this information
required torture or harsh interrogation techniques; in fact,
such harsh techniques may have failed to produce such
successes. As we all know, when you are in pain, you will say
anything to stop that pain, whether it is true or not. The last
things an interrogation should yield are false leads, which
waste time and resources.
In addition, a cooperative subject
is the most valuable way to obtain high value intelligence. The
witnesses’ written testimony for today’s hearing provides vivid
examples of this fact. As a former prosecutor, I know
first-hand that the most valuable information you can receive
from any suspect is through complete and full cooperation. That
will only come through non-coercive interrogations, not through
abuse.
Too often those who would have us
use torture or other harsh interrogation techniques say it
cannot be ruled out because in the post 9/11 world, you may need
to get information quickly from a suspect to save lives, or even
to prevent another catastrophic attack. But as today's
witnesses will make clear, this is just not so. Experienced
interrogators, like 27-year veteran FBI Special Agent Jack
Cloonan will tell us that this "ticking bomb" scenario is a red
herring. A committed terrorist will use those situations to his
advantage either to provide interrogators false information or
simply to act in defiance, hoping to become a martyr. The
ticking time bomb scenario is not taken seriously by experienced
interrogators, and cannot and should not be used to justify
illegal acts or torture.
I am grateful to our witnesses for
appearing at today’s hearing. I am confident their testimony
will increase our knowledge and understanding of these important
issues.
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