USAID Summer Seminars
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Session Organizer: Ann
Phillips, Political Economy Policy Analyst, PPC, USAID
Panel: Claire Ehmann,
Desk Officer, Office of CAR, E&E; Stephen
Giddings, Chief, POSE, AFR/DP; Oliver
Wilcox, DG Advisor for the Middle East and North Africa,
ANE; Krishna Kumar, Senior
Policy Analyst, PPC, DEI
Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:00-11:00
Notes for the ninth session of the 2004 annual USAID Summer
Seminar Series, “Muslim World Outreach and Engaging
Muslim Civil Society” Question and answer portion here.
Ann Phillips, Political Economist and Policy Analyst, Policy
and Program Coordination Bureau, provided an overview of the
Muslim world and general guidelines for outreach programs.
Claire Ehmann, Desk Officer, Office of Central Asian Republics
in the Europe and Eurasia Bureau, briefed the audience on
Muslim outreach programs in Europe and the Religion, State,
and Society Strategy in Central Asia. Stephen Giddings, Chief
of the Policy Outreach, Strategy, and Evaluation Division
in the Africa Bureau Development Planning, examined innovative
ways that the Bureau has tried to engage Muslim sub-Saharan
Africa. Oliver Wilcox, Democracy and Governance Advisor for
the Middle East and North Africa in the Asia/Near East Bureau
discussed Muslim outreach in the democracy and governance
sector. Krishna Kumar, Senior Policy Analyst, Bureau for Policy
and Program Coordination, Center for Development Information
and Evaluation, presented findings from a study that he and
Boston University Professor Robert W. Hefner conducted in
Indonesia of the Asia Foundation’s program on Islam
and Civil Society.
Ann Phillips,
Political Economy Policy Analyst, PPC
Ann Phillips began by trying to define and capture the enigma
of the “Muslim world,” the need for which, according
to Phillips, became more immediate for the U.S. after the
attacks of September 11. She described it as a shorthand term
for a set of regions that comprise countries whose populations
have a Muslim majority. Though the term is widely used in
government agencies and in the private sector, many people
resent the assumption inherent in “Muslim World”
that Islam is the defining characteristic of every country
found therein—an assumption that is often incorrect.
There are currently 1.3 billion Muslims located in five regions
of the world: sub-Saharan Africa, Middle East and North Africa,
Europe and Eurasia, South Asia, and East Asia. USAID has missions
in 27 of the 49 countries that have more than 50 percent Muslim
population. USAID assembled several indices in order to better
understand the scope of the Muslim world and, most urgently,
the significance of Islam in the performance of “Muslim”
countries.
Phillips displayed several graphs of aggregate Muslim world
data including national income variation, Muslim/non-Muslim
democracy and governance disparity (the greatest disparity
was found in political rights, the least disparity in economic
freedom), and results from two Pew Global Attitudes surveys
that compared Muslim and non-Muslim countries’ view
of the U.S. (See PowerPoint Presentation (1.9mb ppt)
for graphs.)
She also presented Muslim/non-Muslim country scores by region
in rule of law, corruption perception, and civil liberties.
When the data was examined by region, the distinction between
Muslim and non-Muslim countries in some regions, like sub-Saharan
Africa, was negligible (within the margin of error). In addition,
upon examining the Europe and Eurasia data, Phillips remarked
that the difference between Muslim and non-Muslim countries
along the range of indices is similar to what would have been
found in the Soviet era when Islam did not play a significant
role. Because the results changed in going from aggregate
to regional Muslim/non-Muslim data comparisons, Phillips pointed
to skepticism regarding Islam’s influence on these indicators.
(See PowerPoint Presentation (1.9mb ppt) for graphs.)
In addition to obtaining empirical data on the Muslim world,
USAID sought out existing scholarship and commissioned scholars
to conduct studies in education, economic growth, governance,
and philanthropy.
Phillips highlighted important results of these studies.
First, in the education study, survey data suggested that
many Muslims prefer more than a purely secular education for
their children. Second, the economic growth study indicated
that poor governance, not Islam is the major deterrent to
economic growth. Third, in the governance study, three of
the primary findings were:
• In many post-colonial Muslim countries, minority power
in community-based systems perpetuates authoritarian rule.
• Secular governments have been largely discredited
due to poor performance. Phillips warned that a rigid church-state
separation may be inappropriate in a number of predominantly
Muslim countries.
• Economic hardships and deterioration of basic social
services coupled with repressive secular regimes have worked
in the local communities to increase at least the tacit support
for radical Islamic groups.
The U.S. government has identified two major goals with
respect to its engagement in the Muslim world: (1) enhancing
domestic security and (2) promoting moderation among Muslims.
However, these two goals may be contradictory; for example,
security requirements often limit the government’s ability
to do effective outreach. Also, Phillips pointed out that
radical Islamists often represent the strongest opposition
group against repressive secular governments.
The U.S. government has several ongoing projects working to
improve initiatives in the Muslim world. It has tasked missions
with analysis and evaluation of regional and local initiatives;
a State/USAID Joint Policy Council working group and an inter-agency
working group on the Muslim world have been established. The
U.S. government has also sought international support and
resources through the G8, which adopted the Broader Middle
East and North Africa Initiative (BMENA) in June 2004.
Regional Examples of Outreach Efforts
Claire Ehmann, Central Asian Republics, E&E
Claire Ehmann explained that half of the countries in Europe
and Eurasia have Muslim majorities. Due to the Soviet Union’s
legacy of religious intolerance, two negative consequences
have befallen this region: (1) some governments continue to
deny people religious freedom and try to control religious
messages (2) there is a dearth of well-trained Islamic scholars
in the region who can effectively counter extremist propaganda
from foreign groups.
Most of the programs geared toward Muslim society in this
region do not address Islam itself, but try to promote democracy
and political, economic, and social opportunities that will
reduce the allure of extremist messages. For example, in Albania,
USAID is starting a new religious tolerance program that brings
together religious leaders and journalists. The program trains
them in promoting tolerance and in conflict-resolution skills.
Also, in Bulgaria, there is an ongoing USAID effort targeted
toward Muslim minority youth to reduce school drop-out rates
and improve economic opportunities for young people.
Ehmann also discussed the Mission-developed Central Asia
Religion, State, and Society Strategy. Its purpose is to engage
Muslim communities in the region to reduce the risk of Central
Asia from becoming fertile ground for terrorist organizations.
The strategy seeks “to integrate independent and credible
Islamic leaders into USAID’s development activities”
and “to create ‘cognitive dissonance’”
by challenging negative perceptions of U.S. foreign policy.
The strategy includes bus tours, modeled after a successful
program in Bangladesh, whereby credible Islamic leaders learn
about USAID development projects. There have been four tours
thus far—Shymkent, Kazakhstan; Osh and Jalalabad, Kyrgyzstan;
and Dushanbe, Tajikistan.
Ehmann concluded by calling attention to preliminary findings
learned from these initiatives. On the positive side, USAID
found a reservoir of pro-American sentiment and cooperative
and responsive religious leaders in these areas. However,
USAID found that radical Islamic groups are also quite successful
at spreading their extremist message through programs that
target the poor, women and the young.
Stephen Giddings, Sub-Saharan Africa
The USAID Africa Bureau has designed and implemented a variety
of Muslim outreach programs across the spectrum of countries
in sub-Saharan Africa with significant Muslim populations..
Muslim sub-Saharan Africa stretches from the Atlantic Ocean
coast to the Indian Ocean coast and includes 15 countries
with Muslim populations totaling 150 million people. Given
the great variety of Islam in this region, USAID has no centralized
approach to dealing with Muslim African world in sub-Saharan
Africa . Instead, USAID encourages bureaus to tailor programs
according to the specific needs of the area.
Giddings highlighted some of the local Muslim outreach programs
within the Bureau, including education, media outreach, and
conflict resolution programs. In East Africa, the Education
in Marginalized Communities Program (targeting area populations
that are predominantly Muslim) works to increase the partnership
between schools and communities, to improve school management,
and to better relationships between parents and school officials.
It also engages in curriculum development and teacher training,
including targeting critical reading skills, and endeavors
to increase girls’ enrollment.
In West Africa, in Mali, USAID sponsors a community schools
initiative that involves the collaboration of madrasas, government-funded,
and community-funded schools. In what is called the ‘cluster
approach,’ teachers and administrators from schools
located reasonably close to each other, be they Koranic, community
or government run, meet and discuss problems and open up their
teaching approach to more participatory methods and more creative
classroom instruction.
USAID Muslim outreach programs have also enlisted Muslim
organizations to facilitate HIV/AIDS outreach programs. In
the Kaduna region of Nigeria, Muslim leadership and the local
government approved a USAID-sponsored popular film advocating
abstinence that would later be disseminated throughout the
entire country.
USAID has also cooperated with local Muslim leaders in conflict-resolution
activities in Senegal, Nigeria, and Mali (Northern Mali Strategy)
and with National Union of Muslim Women’s Association
of Mali to sensitize women to their political rights and increase
to their role in politics. Finally, USAID Missions in several
countries support the secular activities/broadcasts (with
careful attention to laws concerning the separation of church
and state) of Muslim radio stations as well as messages/programs
promoting tolerance on public radio stations. USAID/Mali was
even asked to provide Internet connections for a mosque.
Oliver Wilcox, Middle East and North Africa
Oliver Wilcox focused on Muslim outreach in the context of
democracy and governance programs in the Middle East and North
Africa. However, he began his discussion by telling the success
story of an intervention in Bangladesh centered specifically
on Muslim outreach. During a pilot phase, Bangladeshi imams
(Islamic prayer leaders) were taken on bus tours and received
exposure to development issues, such as health, basic education,
human trafficking, and local governance.
The Islamic Foundation in Bangladesh (made up of 5,000–6,000
Bangladeshi imams) has approached USAID and requested that
this program be institutionalized. The institutionalization
of this program is now in the process of being developed.
It is assumed that the training components involved in the
pilot program will be integrated in the continuing education
curricula of Islamic Foundation Centers, which total eight
across the country.
Wilcox pointed out the tangential nature of Muslim outreach
in the democracy and governance (DG) sector. For example,
DG’s political party work has incorporated Islamist
parties or Islamist members of parliament in Afghanistan (since
March 2002), in Morocco, in Yemen, and in Algeria (a non-presence
country, though USAID-funded message development and constituent
outreach included Islamist parties).
The reasons for Islamist participation in these programs
include:
1. USAID’s political parties policy: as long as parties
are non-violent, democratic, inclusive, and not anti-statist,
USAID can help.
2. Presence of liberal autocracies: This context allows political
space for Islamists to organize and participate in electoral
politics.
3. Ascendance of moderates within Islamist movements: They
see the practical benefits of receiving U.S. assistance that
provides them with the skills necessary to better compete
in their political environments.
Other DG programs in the Middle East that have dealt with
Muslim outreach include expanding women’s awareness
of their legal rights in Morocco, an anti-domestic violence
program with a legal reform advocacy component in Jordan,
and a civic education program in Asia and Middle East that
focuses on the learning process (getting away from memorization
in schools and asking students to solve concrete problems
in their communities). These programs are likely to broaden
and deepen in part due to successes and consequent increased
funding from the Middle East Partnership Initiative (MEPI)
and USAID.
Wilcox concluded his presentation by bringing attention to
some remaining challenges for DG programs:
1. How to address Muslim outreach more systematically—in
ways that make sense technically and in terms of country context.
2. Civil society needs to be addressed in Muslim outreach
especially with respect to civil society. To date USAID support
has generally been for urban-based elite groups with very
little in the way of grassroots constituencies.
Krishna Kumar, Islam and Civil Society (ICS) in Indonesia
Krishna Kumar presented the study that he and Robert W.
Hefner conducted for PPC. The study was summarized in a paper
titled “Engaging Muslim Civil Society for Promoting
Democracy and Pluralism: An Assessment of the 'Islam and Civil
Society Program' in Indonesia.” This report presents
the findings of an assessment of the Asia Foundation’s
(TAF) program on ‘Islam and Civil Society’ (ICS)
in Indonesia. Funded by USAID since its inception in 1997,
the program involves collaboration with Muslim leaders and
organizations to support democracy training and civil society
development. Using the symbols and vocabularies of Islam,
the program encourages the development of a politically secular
Indonesia based on the values of freedom, religious tolerance,
and pluralism. Thus, the program seeks to promote the twin
objectives of the U.S. foreign policy of strengthening democracy
in the largest Muslim country and of engaging Muslim leaders
and organizations in fight against extremism and terrorism.
The Development Evaluation and Information Office of Bureau
of Policy and Program Coordination undertook an in-depth assessment
of the program during February- March, 2004. The purpose was
not simply to assess the nature, achievements and shortcomings
of the program but also to draw policy and programmatic lessons
that can be applied in other Muslim or predominantly Muslim
societies.
Program Activities
Having begun with twelve partners, the ICS program today
works with 32 institutions and organizations, ranging from
large mass organizations, like the Nahdlatul Ulama and Muhammadiyah,
to Muslim universities and small non-governmental groupings.
Its ongoing activities include civic education, democracy
training through mosque and peasantran networks, pluralism
and tolerance initiatives, media, gender equality and policy
reform.
Civic education has been a central component of the program
since its inception. Its eight current partners are engaged
in a wide range of activities including seminars, meetings
and civic education at institutions of higher learning. With
the support of the program, State Islamic University (UIN)
in Jakarta and the private Muhammadadiyh University in Yogyakarta
have developed courses in civic education reaching out to
tens of thousands of students every year. The curricula materials
and pedagogical techniques used in these programs are of high
quality.
ICS activities also seek to encourage and to promote democratic
values in classical Islamic academies (pesantren) and mosques,
which are the only sources of civic education that many Indonesians
receive. The current four projects in this area undertake
many activities ranging from conducting workshops for students,
training for religious preachers to the distribution of flyers
on democracy and human rights in mosques after Friday prayers.
As the program expanded, TAF and its partners realized that
it was not sufficient to promote values of religious pluralism
and tolerance, but also necessary to mainstream the pluralism
and variety of approaches within the rich Islamic tradition.
As a result, the program has undertaken many activities to
raise awareness about pluralism within the Islamic community.
For example, one partnering organization, the Paramadina Institute,
supports Muslim scholars re-examining Islamic jurisprudence
for the purpose of showing its compatibility with democracy
and human rights. The program has also supported the establishment
of the International Center for Islam and Pluralism which
aims to promote scholarly exchanges between Indonesian Muslims
and Muslim scholars in other parts of the Muslim world.
The program has focused on mass media, and its 10 partners
have undertaken many media activities aimed at an array of
age groups, social classes, and regions. One of its successful
activities is “Islam and Tolerance,” a radio talk
show, which is relayed by 68 networks of 40 radio stations
in 40 cities. The partnering institution, Institute for Studies
on the Free Flow of Information–Liberal Islam Network,
also provides half-page columns based on the talk show to
more than 100 newspapers every week. The program also supports
a monthly and a magazine which examine contemporary issues
from a liberal, Islamic perspective. In addition, several
other radio talk shows, seminars, and training activities
are undertaken under the auspices of the program.
The ICS component on ‘Islam and Gender’ works
to support gender equality, women’s political participation,
and nonviolence, with target audiences ranging from women
preachers to listeners on radio programs. One partner, Fatayat,
the young women’s corps of Nahdlatul Ulama, has established
20 domestic violence counseling centers and women’s
advocacy centers. Another, Puan, aims to educate male and
female pesantren leaders on Islam and violence against women.
Still others sponsor meetings and seminars and talk shows
for general audiences.
Finally, several ICS partners are engaged in policy advocacy
and efforts to professionalize the operations of Muslim political
parties. For example, a Jakarta-based NGO, Desantara, conducts
hearings, legislative research, and direct advocacy for religious
minorities. The Institute for Social Institutions Studies
runs programs to help Islamic parties to improve their platforms
by focusing on substantive needs rather than formalistic issues
like the implementation of Islamic law.
Program Impacts
Probably, the most important contribution of the program
is that it has expended a national dialogue on the issues
of democracy, human rights, and gender equality. A cross-section
of the people—students, Islamic leaders, women, and
even the informed public—are participating in it. What
is still more encouraging is that the issues of democracy,
pluralism, and tolerance are being discussed with reference
to Islamic theology, practices, and symbols, as well as the
problems and challenges facing contemporary Indonesian society.
The program has also contributed to the strengthening of
institutional capacities of many of its partners. The financial
and technical support provided by the program to its partners
has enabled them to develop innovative projects, acquire new
expertise, and even secure resources from other organizations.
Many organizations have grown over time. Although their growth
cannot always be attributed to their partnership in the program,
there is little doubt that it has helped.
Finally, the program has facilitated formal and informal
networks among 32 Muslim organizations that have begun to
see themselves as an emerging force committed to building
a pluralistic, democratic country. These organizations often
share their ideas, people, and resources. They help each other
in many ways. Within this large network, there are several
sub-networks—one on Islam and gender rights, one that
plugs pro-democracy Islamic media into mainstream media, and
one that facilitates cooperation among Islamic educational
institutions. For example, when a pro-polygamy campaign was
begun by Islamist groups in Indonesia, the Islam and gender
network mobilized a multi-pronged media attack, publishing
columns in the nation's largest daily newspaper, having ICS
partners speak against polygamy on Liberal Islam Network (Jaringan
Islam Liberal, or JIL) radio show, and also on a national
TV station in Yogyakarta.
Lessons for Replication
Four pre-conditions:
1. The existing political system should allow the
civil society, the media and political groupings to engage
in discussions of public policy issues. Soeharto’s
Indonesia was not a free society, but the regime did not prohibit
public discussion of major policy issues. Although there has
been some liberalization in countries such as Jordan and Morocco,
most of the Middle Eastern countries do not permit even limited
political freedom. They directly and indirectly control civil
society organizations and political parties. In such countries,
programs like ICS cannot be initiated and implemented. However,
there are many other Muslim countries, such as Azerbaijan,
Bangladesh, Niger, or even Pakistan, where similar programs
could be launched on a modest scale.
2. At least a section of the credible religious leaders
should be committed to democracy and pluralism and willing
to take the initiative to promote them. Indonesia
has enjoyed a legacy of mass Muslim civil society organizations
whose leaders largely subscribe to the vision of a pluralistic,
democratic Islam. Most of them were educated in secular social
sciences or other fields with a loosely “civic”
orientation. In most Muslim countries, the leadership of Islamic
civil society organizations is in the hands of conservative
religious leaders, with little exposure to secular education
and no commitment to democracy and pluralism. Such leadership
cannot be expected to sponsor and support programs for the
promotion of democracy and human rights in their societies.
3. The country should have a well-established intermediary
organization(s), which enjoys the trust of local Islamic leaders
and organizations as well as of USAID, to initiate and manage
the program. The success of ICS program also depends
on the experience, expertise, and reputation of the Asia Foundation.
It enjoys an impeccable reputation among religious and political
leaders in Indonesia. It also has a proven record of managing
international projects, which has endeared to it USAID. Such
intermediary organizations are needed to provide a buffer
between USAID and recipient Muslim religious organizations.
While USAID should be assured that its funds would be managed
and accounted prudently, Muslim religious leaders and organizations
must be confident about the motives underlying assistance.
Indonesian experience indicates that an established intermediary
organization can protect recipient Islamic organizations from
being accused of being pawns in the hands of a foreign power.
Suitable intermediary organizations are difficult but not
impossible to locate. For example, the American Universities
in Beirut and Cairo may perform such intermediary functions
if USAID were to launch a civic education program in Middle
Eastern countries.
4. USAID and the American embassy should be totally
committed to the program and be prepared for the risks involved
in working with Muslim civil society organizations. USAID
in Indonesia enjoys the unquestioned support of the American
Embassy for the Muslim Civil Society program. Both USAID and
the Embassy have been aware of the risks involved in working
with Muslim religious leaders, who do not necessarily share
USAID’s vision in international arena. The essential
point is that USAID should have a long-term strategic vision
for engaging Islamic leaders that is shared and supported
by the U.S. embassy. Both should realize that many of the
leaders and organizations who would receive USAID funds might
disagree with USAID policies and programs. Moreover, some
of them might even turn against USAID. Unless USAID and the
embassy are both willing and able to take risks, and even
face failure, USAID should not design and support such initiatives.
Program Design
1. The program should be owned and managed by indigenous
groups and leaders. In Indonesia, program partners
own the program. They plan and implement their own activities.
They decide what they will do and how they will do it. The
Foundation plays only a supportive role. Local ownership,
while promoting commitment and initiative, also deflects the
criticism that program partners work for a foreign power.
The ICS model seems most suitable in the present political
climate in Muslim countries which harbor serious misgivings
about U.S. intensions.
2. The program should engage multiple Islamic groups
working on different issues and problems. The ICS
program has partnered with different groups. Its partners
have launched civic education curricula in Islamic institutions
of higher learning; promoted civic education in pesantren
and state schools; established women’s crisis centers
in cities and towns; published and disseminated highbrow and
popular books on pluralism and democracy; and organized meetings
and seminars targeted to different audiences. Working with
multiple partners is a promising strategy for two reasons.
First, it protects the program from abject failure if one
or more partners do not perform well. Second, it creates a
synergy in which various sponsors of program activities mutually
reinforce and help each other. Depending on the local circumstances
and interest, the program should seek to engage groups such
as women’s religious groups, Muslim youth organizations,
Islamic schools and educational institutions, and the interested
print and electronic media entities.
3. The program should be designed as an evolving
initiative that can respond to emerging opportunities and
challenges. One conspicuous feature of ICS program is its
flexibility. It is not blue-printed with precise indicators.
TAF enjoyed unprecedented autonomy and was able to reorient
and redirect the program in the aftermath of the fall of the
Soeharto government. The program is able to recruit new partners
as opportunities arise and drop old ones when they fail to
operate. The obvious lesson is that any Islamic civil society
program should enjoy maximum flexibility to respond to emerging
challenges and opportunities. They should be able to change
and modify their plans, when necessary. Such projects should
be free from the regulatory requirements imposed on development
programs. Perhaps USAID should either provide grants or sign
cooperative agreements with intermediary organizations to
ensure necessary flexibility of the planned program.
4. The program should be managed by staff members
who possess intimate knowledge of the Islamic traditions in
the country and are able to establish rapport with Islamic
leaders and institutions. The ICS program in Indonesia
is highly staff intensive, as it involves working directly
with grassroots organizations. Both TAF and USAID have excellent
staff members, who are not only knowledgeable about local
conditions in different regions, but are also sensitive to
local culture and traditions. In fact, within USAID the program
is managed by a local expert who enjoys superb rapport with
civil society organizations. Therefore, it is important that
at the planning stage, USAID provide for staff members who
possess an intimate knowledge of Islamic traditions in the
country and are able to establish rapport with Islamic leaders
and institutions.
Q & A
1. What was the main challenge that you all encountered?
How much was the evidence of say, Wahhabi, intrusion to in
these areas? How much challenge or opposition did they pose
to the program?
Phillips: In Indonesia, I know of a survey
that shows 3% of people feel more affinity with radical
Islamic traditions. In many local committees they opposed
the programs. There might be some opposition working in
madrasas. The good thing is that the visibility of program
is quite low. The opposition was kept to the local level
and did not extend to USAID. One problem was that many of
the groups that were very enthusiastic lacked organizational
capacity. Some factors helped us, such as the Bali bombing.
It very much crystallized people’s repugnance toward
Islamic radicalism. However, Iraq made the task difficult.
2. You didn’t mention whether you were dealing
with Sunni or Shiite Muslims. I assume you were talking about
Sunni Muslims. Have any initiatives been done in the recent
past or in the future with relating or with encouraging the
center of Sunni learning and outreach, which is the al-Azhar
University in Egypt. My understanding is that the Egypt mission
in the late 70s and early 80s actually commissioned the al-Azhar
University to do several studies to pave the way for specific
programs, like child survival and maternal healthcare which
are all detailed in the Islamic way, but I am concerned with
its being brought out to be very simplistic messages that
can be transmitted through various program methodologies.
What has been done in Indonesian Islamic universities?
Phillips: We do look at all of the strains
within Islam to understand the dynamics there. This Seminar
took on a broader view of the outreach issue. One of the
key issues that other scholars have identified is anticipation
of some kind of tectonic shift between the kinds of authority
that Sunnis and Shiites have. These are all things that
we need to be sensitive to.
Wilcox: To my knowledge, we haven’t
specifically addressed the Sunni-Shia split. In Bahrain,
a non-presence country, the National Democratic Institute
is doing its political and parliamentary work through the
CEPPS mechanism. In Bahrain, you have a situation where
the majority of the population is Shia and the political
associations which are most politically active are Shia
and Shia Islamist. So they have a religious political identity,
so there is a particular challenge there. With reference
to the al-Azhar, I’m not familiar with the details.
I understand that there has been at least consideration
if not some efforts in the past to enlist some cooperation
from the al-Azhar. I know that in Jordan the Ministry of
Endowments and Religious Affairs has been involved in working
with USAID in maternal and reproductive health.
3. I just returned from an assessment mission in
the West Bank and Gaza. There we found widespread concerns
about the anti-terrorism certification process including American
and local Palestinian NGOs. Do you have any advice as to how
we can convince local partners of the need for and the merits
of signing on to this sort of certification?
Phillips: We are very cognizant of the problem.
I’ve heard from German development organizations which
are concerned that the certification process is turning the
landscape over to the more radical groups. Many organizations
have subsets of the organizations with very radical political
wings. We are talking about it in our interagency groups.
If you are interested in giving me more specific examples,
I’d be happy to bring that into the discussion.
Oliver Wilcox: The Gaza -West Bank situation is a particularly
tough one on this issue. In other Arab countries, like Morocco,
there may not be quite this degree of difficulty. In the
DG sector there, at least one implementing partner has been
able to give sub-grants to local NGOs. It may vary from
country to country.
4. This has been interesting, but very superficial.
We do need some kind of workshop. With respect to the few
surveys that you mentioned, I don’t think we’ve
gotten under the surface as to what are the root causes that
are fueling anti-Americanism? We haven’t talked about
foreign policy or unemployment. Who would organize a forum
in which we can discuss these points? How do educate ourselves
before begin to educate others?
Phillips: I did mention briefly the economic and
social conditions as a factor, but I agree that we have just
skimmed the surface. I refer you back to the papers that I
mentioned, the studies on economic growth, governance and
education in which these issues are discussed more in detail.
I mentioned the Zogby poll which show very strong negative
view toward the U.S. due mainly to U.S. policy. We are looking
at these things in the State/AID working group. We cannot
assume that U.S. policy in not part of the picture. You can
find the Zogby Poll and Pew Surveys online to see what questions
they’ve asked.
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