Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2HCaeI05773; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:36:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:36:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <031720041234.24099.5f0e@comcast.net> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: ttweeton@comcast.net To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10074] Re: [adult ed ESL requirements X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 27 2003) Status: O Content-Length: 2397 Lines: 51 It does seem that the vast majority of ESL teachers in this country are working part time with no benefits and very poor wages. Sylvan you are right. Many of us still have to work this way.We are the poor-step-children of the dictrict because we have chosen to work with adults.We are paid hourly. It is the same hourly wage as regular ed teachers get but we don't have contracts so no benefits........That is why many have full time day jobs in k-12 as well. Tanya Tweeton ESOL and GED Fort Lauderdale,Florida > You raise some really excellent points. It may be that we are in the midst > of trying to figure out what would be a reasonable certification process for > an adult ESL teacher. A related issue is what kind of jobs (i.e., pay, > benefits, part- or full-time) that sort of certification would get you. And > that's a much larger question that includes issues around how education (in > general, both for adults and children) is valued, how education for adults > other than in "higher" education is valued, and basically how we allocate > our tax dollars. > > As it happens, I'm working full time with benefits, but I'm not teaching ESL > full time. I'm also doing other things (like, at this point, managing a > program!). It seems that we have to get creative to find jobs that actually > take the ESL services to our clientele in ways that get paid for somehow. > There are workforce programs and others, but they aren't all that easy to > find. > > It does seem that the vast majority of ESL teachers in this country are > working part time with no benefits and very poor wages. I was resigned to > doing that as well -- cobbling together a couple of jobs or combining with > part-time clerical or something -- when I came across this job. I feel very > fortunate. > > ------- > Sylvan Rainwater mailto:sylvan@cccchs.org > Program Manager Family Literacy > Clackamas Co. Children's Commission / Head Start > Oregon City, OR USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of olivia > durham > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:09 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10063] Re: [adult ed ESL requirements > > I think some of the vitriol surrounding the "certification" issue comes from > the narrow perameters of the Public School Certification process in the > United States. > > <SNIP> > >
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