Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id hA7DnrV17141; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:49:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:49:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <110720031345.18633.1a97@comcast.net> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: ttweeton@comcast.net To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9611] Re: Fw: [PartTime] article from The Chronicle X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 27 2003) Status: O Content-Length: 9716 Lines: 230 Dear Susen and All, May I remind you all that most of us work part time for a reason... to supplement our incomes. Of course we all know that poor immigrants are unable to pay for classes. Because we need the part time work, because we are more than willing to put in extra effort and time and because our immigrants are poor and cannot pay their fair share, cannot be a licence for ANYONE to treat us so poorly. Yes, ours IS a "Labour of Love". We do more than what is expected all the time. This should not give anyone the right to take advantage that we are willing to give so much . It is a slap in the face of our willingness to be very decent and caring human beings. We all know that life is certainly not always fair, however, if you reread all the disgusting treatment many of us have received over the years AND CONTINUE TO RECEIVE, it should be quite obvious that there is simply NO DEFENSE for this inexcusably poor treatment. Tanya Tweeton Adult ESOL( full time-part timer) > I take it Elizabeth means there will always be people who can "afford" to > work part time just for an hourly pay for "extra" money and the satisfaction > it provides so the benefits aren't crucial to them. This is always the case > with "part time" work in whatever field regardless of the end product. > If the classes weren't "practically free" how many of our ESL immigrant > students could afford to pay? > There is usually some 'labor of love" involved in a situation where there is > a need to be met that would > otherwise go unmet. It is a strange irony to me that teaching provides so > much gratification that some would offer to sacrifice to do it! > Susan > > > >From: ttweeton@comcast.net > >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > >To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9608] Re: Fw: [PartTime] article from The Chronicle > >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:18:00 -0500 (EST) > > > >So if I understand you Elizabeth, it is all right to squeeze the > >instructors (because some of you don't care whether you are full time or > >not, or get benefits or not,) so as to give the students extra benefits of > >practically free classes?? > >(our students pay ten dollars for registration per year. We provide the > >rest.) > > > > We ( the teachers) are supposed to sacrifice for what?? Frankly, As I > >understand it "slave labour " ended 150 years ago, only I don't think > >everyone > >( meaning the powers that be) remembers. > >Tanya Tweeton > >Adult Esol > > > Just a note to defend those of us who hire people hourly part time. > > > Our program can serve many more students and offer many more classes by > > > using part time hourly staff. For a salaried person with fringe > >benefits > > > it costs an additional 35%, but it is 7% for hourly staff. That really > >is a > > > huge difference in the services we can provide to our students. > > > Having worked part time hourly for 10 years I do understand the draw > >backs > > > for some employees, myself included. I also know that I had some > >advantages > > > working hourly. I was able to accept the number of hours I could handle > >and > > > had the flexibility to be with my family. Many of our current employees > >are > > > teaching only 5-10 hours a week by choice. It fits their schedule. > > > But, we also lose some good people who need benefits. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ttweeton@comcast.net [mailto:ttweeton@comcast.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:39 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9593] Re: Fw: [PartTime] article from The Chronicle > > > of Higher Education > > > > > > > > > I have a story to top yours. How about working in the Adult with > > > Disabilities field in a county that won't give you a contract because > >you > > > work with adults only and of course that means no benefits of any > >kind]. > > > The work is not considered as"important" as teaching grades 1-12. I > >worked > > > 52 hours a week for years,(8) teaching Adults during the day and ESOL at > > > night and on Saturdays .There have been several thousands of us working > >this > > > way here.That 52 hour week was considered part time,I had no benefits or > > > retirement and for the first few years no social security was taken out > >of > > > my check either. We were in fact considered "simply unimportant". Many > >of > > > us who teach ESOL, even full time, in many instances, do not get > >contracts > > > thus no benefits, because that way our school system can save money.I do > > > "feel for you" adjuncts and your position but you are not the only ones > >who > > > are being wronged. I loved my job, working with the Adults w/ > >Disabilities > > > program and sacrificed for ! > > > it. I wish some some lawyer, really important like an Alan Dershowitz, > > > would be willing to tackle these issues and would agree to help start > >a > > > class action suit. > > > Tanya Tweeton > > > Exceptional Student Education and Adult ESOL > > > both because I love doing both) > > > > So long as the adjuncts and part-timers work like crazy and without > >being > > > paid > > > > for their extra work, the system will adjust itself to get the most > >out of > > > them > > > > while providing the least possible benefits. Unfortunately, and > >luckily, > > > > teaching itself is satisfying and most of us will teach even if they > >are > > > not > > > > paid at all, just so they can have students and still be in class. > >That's > > > what > > > > I have been doing since I started living in Texas. > > > > Sure it doesn't provide a living, I even pay for the class materials I > > > prepare, > > > > yet for me, there is nothing more satisfying than being in class. > > > > > > > > I guess this love of teaching makes us the most vulnerable. After all, > > > "why pay > > > > more while you can work them as much as you like." I wonder if some > > > colleges > > > > choose to hire more part-timers instead of full time professors, since > > > they can > > > > save a bunch of money from health benefits etc. without lowering the > > > quality of > > > > the education. > > > > Quoting mdryden@mail.utexas.edu: > > > > > > > > > For 15 years, I taught 27 hours of adult education ESL (plus > > > preparation, > > > > > reviewing books, meeting with students, etc.: I also taught nine > >hours > > > of > > > > > academic courses in English composition and literature(twelve in the > > > > > summer); > > > > > in addition, because the college paid so little, I had another part > >time > > > job > > > > > running a refugee program (my favorite job)and after the refugee > >program > > > > > ended, > > > > > I traded that job for my own educational consulting business. During > > > these > > > > > years, I also raised a daughter, earned my MA, and completed many > >hours > > > for > > > > > my > > > > > doctorate. > > > > > > > > > > And I was very proud of much of my work--especially the evening > >hours in > > > the > > > > > classroom with adult ed ESL students, four nights a week; and the > > > morning, > > > > > noon, evening and weekend hours I spent with the refugees. > > > > > > > > > > I was fortunate; because I worked so many hours and so many part > >time > > > jobs, > > > > > I > > > > > had health insurance and retirement. However, by Friday afternoon, > >I > > > was > > > > > unreasonably, painfully tired. The treatment I received in the > >college > > > > > adult > > > > > education program was very bad. Once I began my Ph.D program, > >however, > > > my > > > > > love > > > > > for my students and the knowledge that I could give them increased > > > benefits > > > > > because of the additional education that I was gaining, made me even > > > prouder > > > > > of > > > > > my dedication to the profession. > > > > > > > > > > Yet I cannot deny that it was a difficult life, in terms of the > >energy I > > > > > needed > > > > > to gather, and sometimes could not gather, because I was > >overextended. > > > > > I think that most of the people with full time positions have no > >idea > > > how > > > > > difficult the life of an adjunct is. > > > > > > > > > > I finally earned a full time administrate position. > > > > > > > > > > Marianne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uoting Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dottie, > > > > > > > > > > > > What an insightful and incisive article. 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