[NIFL-ESL:9336] Re: Accept English Only donation?

From: Antje Meissner (antjemeissner@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Aug 29 2003 - 17:17:49 EDT


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From: Antje Meissner <antjemeissner@yahoo.com>
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Sorry for the misunderstanding: I meant that Joe is
not presenting facts when he just puts out his
"provocative" poem, without proving that he has a
point.
Antje  
--- ttweeton <ttweeton@comcast.net> wrote:
> Dear Antje,  the quote is not mine , it is Joe's . I
> too teach  immigrants
> and we have no waiting lists  at our school at the
> present time. We NEVER
> send students away. We would put them on a waiting
> list if that were to
> occur but it hasen't/ And yes I also complain about
> funding cuts as we are
> short of materials!
>  What facts are you taking aboutthat I have not
> presented ? Calling Miami to
> find out that they answer in Spanish in the gvt
> offices is not a fact?? HAve
> you tried it? Trust me it IS a fact.And if they do
> answer in English it is
> so poor most of the time as to be difficult to
> understand.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Antje Meissner" <antjemeissner@yahoo.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list"
> <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:37 AM
> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9309] Re: Accept English Only
> donation?
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> > I am from Florida too. Last time I talked to my
> > teacher friends in Miami, they had very long
> waiting
> > lists for their adult ESOL classes and I heard
> them
> > complain about funding cuts by the state, so that
> they
> > have to send more and more students away.
> >
> > << Welcome to America.
> > > > Do what u like.
> > > > We'll give u tax dollar
> >
> > As a tax paying immigrant, I take offense in this
> > "poem". And I think you know that you are wrong,
> or
> > you would have added some facts that prove your
> point.
> >
> > Antje Meissner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- ttweeton <ttweeton@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >  Welcome to America.
> > > > Do what u like.
> > > > We'll give u tax dollar.
> > > >
> > > > Xenophillically
> > >
> > > Joe you are so funny.! I am in agreement  with 
> what
> > > you say.   The issue of
> > > Bilingual programs  ( or not) IS a problem  for
> the
> > > children,   but a most
> > > irritating situation   is the immigrant (parents
> of
> > > those children??)  who
> > > comes here and decides that it is not necessary
> to
> > > learn English( or ver y
> > > little of it )  because he/she can get along
> pretty
> > > well (particularly in
> > > Miami ) without it! AND finds all kinds of
> > > government help in his/her native
> > > language just as you stated ( so why learn
> English
> > > if you don't have to!!!!)
> > > If you are from Miami you know this but when you
> > > call govt. offices here,
> > > the first language spoken  when answering the
> phone
> > > is Spanish.  I
> > > personally  speak Spanish AND French AND Italian
> > > etc...., no problem,
> > > BUT...... how presumptious of these people to
> think
> > > that I will
> > > automatically understand what they are
> saying!!!! In
> > > this case, with these
> > > govt agencies  English MUST and should be spoken
> ,
> > > AND   come first!  I ,as
> > > a taxpayer, pay their salaries and  have a right
> to
> > > expect that I will be
> > > helped in "correctly and clearly spoken "English
> > > FIRST. To speak in Spanish
> > > first , only intimidates me, as Mrs Consumer. I
> also
> > > have rights as a
> > > consumer . How can they possibly know who is at
> the
> > > other end of the line??
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Joe Little" <
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" <
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:48 PM
> > > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9300] Re: Accept English Only
> > > donation?
> > >
> > >
> > > > >  One suggestion would be for students to
> > > investigate the group (as an
> > > > >  exercise).  Financials should be public, as
> are
> > > mission statements,
> > > etc.
> > > > >  See what percentage of their budget goes
> for
> > > ESL.  There is no paucity
> > > of
> > > > >  newspaper articles at relatively easy
> reading
> > > levels that go into an
> > > array
> > > > >  of issues and cases associated with English
> > > Only.  Some go into
> > > employees
> > > > >  suing employers for their right to speak
> their
> > > native language on the
> > > job; others
> > > > >  tell the exact opposite.  And of course,
> > > English Only's strong
> > > connection to
> > > > >  right wing, anti-immigrant forces are well
> > > documented and easy to
> > > understand.
> > > >
> > > > Laurie, Cathy, and all,
> > > >
> > > > I love the idea of investigating the financial
> > > statement and mission
> > > statement of the  English Only organization.
> That's
> > > clear,factual stuff.
> > > Many folks-- present company excluded, hopefully
> --
> > > would stear clear of
> > > that, opting instead for liberal-rant, leftist-
> > > > rave articles from our libero-centric friends
> in
> > > the media.
> > > >
> > > > >  That the group approached you with the
> > > unabashed intention to use their
> > > > >  donation as a PR stint to push "their"
> > > political agenda reminds me of a
> > > > >  slogan on a t-shirt complete w/caps and
> > > exclamation points I saw just
> > > last
> > > > >  weekend in NJ:  "Welcome to America.  Now
> SPEAK
> > > ENGLISH!!!!!"   As ESL
> > > > >  professionals, we know that the bottom line
> is
> > > xenophobia.
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line of what? That slogan? Produced by
> > > whom? Probably the vast
> > > left-wing conspiracy...but seriously, the
> t-shirt u
> > > saw reminds me of a
> > > haiku i read not three
> > > > hours ago:
> > > >
> > > >,
> > > >
> > > > sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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