Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h7TLHn729207; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20030829211319.64705.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Antje Meissner <antjemeissner@yahoo.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9336] Re: Accept English Only donation? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O Content-Length: 5885 Lines: 207 Sorry for the misunderstanding: I meant that Joe is not presenting facts when he just puts out his "provocative" poem, without proving that he has a point. Antje --- ttweeton <ttweeton@comcast.net> wrote: > Dear Antje, the quote is not mine , it is Joe's . I > too teach immigrants > and we have no waiting lists at our school at the > present time. We NEVER > send students away. We would put them on a waiting > list if that were to > occur but it hasen't/ And yes I also complain about > funding cuts as we are > short of materials! > What facts are you taking aboutthat I have not > presented ? Calling Miami to > find out that they answer in Spanish in the gvt > offices is not a fact?? HAve > you tried it? Trust me it IS a fact.And if they do > answer in English it is > so poor most of the time as to be difficult to > understand. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Antje Meissner" <antjemeissner@yahoo.com> > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:37 AM > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9309] Re: Accept English Only > donation? > > > > Hello, > > I am from Florida too. Last time I talked to my > > teacher friends in Miami, they had very long > waiting > > lists for their adult ESOL classes and I heard > them > > complain about funding cuts by the state, so that > they > > have to send more and more students away. > > > > << Welcome to America. > > > > Do what u like. > > > > We'll give u tax dollar > > > > As a tax paying immigrant, I take offense in this > > "poem". And I think you know that you are wrong, > or > > you would have added some facts that prove your > point. > > > > Antje Meissner > > > > > > > > > > --- ttweeton <ttweeton@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Welcome to America. > > > > Do what u like. > > > > We'll give u tax dollar. > > > > > > > > Xenophillically > > > > > > Joe you are so funny.! I am in agreement with > what > > > you say. The issue of > > > Bilingual programs ( or not) IS a problem for > the > > > children, but a most > > > irritating situation is the immigrant (parents > of > > > those children??) who > > > comes here and decides that it is not necessary > to > > > learn English( or ver y > > > little of it ) because he/she can get along > pretty > > > well (particularly in > > > Miami ) without it! AND finds all kinds of > > > government help in his/her native > > > language just as you stated ( so why learn > English > > > if you don't have to!!!!) > > > If you are from Miami you know this but when you > > > call govt. offices here, > > > the first language spoken when answering the > phone > > > is Spanish. I > > > personally speak Spanish AND French AND Italian > > > etc...., no problem, > > > BUT...... how presumptious of these people to > think > > > that I will > > > automatically understand what they are > saying!!!! In > > > this case, with these > > > govt agencies English MUST and should be spoken > , > > > AND come first! I ,as > > > a taxpayer, pay their salaries and have a right > to > > > expect that I will be > > > helped in "correctly and clearly spoken "English > > > FIRST. To speak in Spanish > > > first , only intimidates me, as Mrs Consumer. I > also > > > have rights as a > > > consumer . How can they possibly know who is at > the > > > other end of the line?? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Joe Little" < > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" < > > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:48 PM > > > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9300] Re: Accept English Only > > > donation? > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion would be for students to > > > investigate the group (as an > > > > > exercise). Financials should be public, as > are > > > mission statements, > > > etc. > > > > > See what percentage of their budget goes > for > > > ESL. There is no paucity > > > of > > > > > newspaper articles at relatively easy > reading > > > levels that go into an > > > array > > > > > of issues and cases associated with English > > > Only. Some go into > > > employees > > > > > suing employers for their right to speak > their > > > native language on the > > > job; others > > > > > tell the exact opposite. And of course, > > > English Only's strong > > > connection to > > > > > right wing, anti-immigrant forces are well > > > documented and easy to > > > understand. > > > > > > > > Laurie, Cathy, and all, > > > > > > > > I love the idea of investigating the financial > > > statement and mission > > > statement of the English Only organization. > That's > > > clear,factual stuff. > > > Many folks-- present company excluded, hopefully > -- > > > would stear clear of > > > that, opting instead for liberal-rant, leftist- > > > > rave articles from our libero-centric friends > in > > > the media. > > > > > > > > > That the group approached you with the > > > unabashed intention to use their > > > > > donation as a PR stint to push "their" > > > political agenda reminds me of a > > > > > slogan on a t-shirt complete w/caps and > > > exclamation points I saw just > > > last > > > > > weekend in NJ: "Welcome to America. Now > SPEAK > > > ENGLISH!!!!!" As ESL > > > > > professionals, we know that the bottom line > is > > > xenophobia. > > > > > > > > Bottom line of what? That slogan? Produced by > > > whom? Probably the vast > > > left-wing conspiracy...but seriously, the > t-shirt u > > > saw reminds me of a > > > haiku i read not three > > > > hours ago: > > > > > > > >, > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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