Received: from hamlin.cc.boun.edu.tr (hamlin.cc.boun.edu.tr [193.140.192.230]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h27MplP29030 for <nifl-esl@nifl.gov>; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by hamlin.cc.boun.edu.tr (Postfix, from userid 1851) id B7F1E1F8C; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:47:37 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hamlin.cc.boun.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95E61C14; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:47:37 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:47:37 +0200 (EET) From: Meral Kara <karamera@boun.edu.tr> X-Sender: karamera@hamlin.cc.boun.edu.tr To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov Cc: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8788] Re: Volatile topic... In-Reply-To: <20030307060616.9450.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0303080037280.16121-100000@hamlin.cc.boun.edu.tr> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Content-Length: 3445 Lines: 97 Firstly, I do believe that the kind of exchange that happened on the list is inadmissable and should not have happened at all in the first place. But I also read the messages where Charles was clearly irritated and in the end of course he stopped replying in the kind manner he had always done. Professionally, I find him resourceful and important to this listserv and I am sure many of you would agree. If we want to be democratic, again, I think the list should have been moderated, not censored, and we should vote on the list to invite Charles back. Don't you also feel this is unfair to him after he has been so much helpful to many of us? Regards, Meral On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Robb Scott wrote: > I would like to add that there may > not be any topic which makes people's > blood boil quite as much as the topic > of war. Look at the protestors. Look > at the strength of feeling, on all sides. > I think our moderator has done a great > job, but I also would like to see whether > there could be some kind of listserv > vote (maybe yes/no offline directly to > the moderator) on whether to invite > Charles back. There seems to be a lot > of unsettled business left over from > this whole affair. > Best regards, > Robb Scott > > --- AWilder106@aol.com wrote: > > Colleagues, > > > > This couple of weeks has been horrible. > > > > I have relied on Charles Januzzi's emails for > > intelligent discussion on linguistics. I am upset > > that I will not be able to read what he writes. > > > > He got very angry and lost his temper, it happens. > > Personal attacks? Not good from anyone. > > > > "Professional?" Different strokes for different > > folks. I had blood drawn today (real blood) and the > > nurse acted so professional, so cool, so distant I > > got quite anxious. > > > > "Pro-American" and "Anti-American? The usual > > bromide about criticism not necessarily being > > anti-American. I criticize this country frequently, > > and have since before homeless people started to > > appear on the streets of the city where I live since > > the Reagan era. "Morning in America?" Dark for > > many. I also fly an American flag, taken from my > > father's grave, he was in 2 world wars. I don't see > > a clear line between people of light and people of > > dark as it is talked about these days. > > > > I lived in a Moslem country, Pakistan, in Karachi, > > where Daniel Pearl was killed. I knew people of > > all faiths, at one time it was a very cosmopolitan > > city. > > > > The greatest health needs were clean water and food. > > The greatest social need was medical care. This is > > intertwined with literacy. Sick people can't work, > > maybe they die. What does literacy do? The only > > causal relationship shown is between a mother's > > literacy and her children's health, followed by a > > decline in fertility--mother's have fewer babies > > when more of their children live. > > > > In this country: > > > > 1) health care for all. > > 2) education for all. > > > > These are social investments we should be making for > > our own citizens. If there are "conservatives" who > > are against these two goals, then I would be > > interested to hear how they, as teachers, justify > > their opinions. > > > > Andrea > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >
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