[NIFL-ESL:8649] Re: RE: War as a cross-cultural issue

From: Susan Ryan (susanefl@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Feb 26 2003 - 13:13:10 EST


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>From: "French, Allan" <afrench@sccd.ctc.edu>
>Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
>To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8639] RE: War as a cross-cultural issue
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:44:54 -0500 (EST)
>
>I generally teach intermediate-level students.  I often have my students do 
>a homework assignment about the news.  When they talk about these 
>assignments in class, it is generally the case that the other students 
>don't understand very well at the outset.  The problem involves more than 
>grammar, though that is an important tool.  It is also pronunciation, it is 
>vocabulary, it is organization of ideas so that they are clear and make 
>sense, it is learning to listen carefully and even take simple notes, it is 
>the ability and willingness to ask simple questions (especially if one 
>doesn't understand).  I have learned that many things that happen in the 
>world that are of great interest to me, just are not on my students' radar 
>screens.  They want better jobs and need to communicate better to get those 
>jobs.  They want to be able to read with their children, and to communicate 
>with the teachers.  So yes, communication at this level is indeed more 
>important than any particular conten!
>t area.  However, if a topic is presented carefully, gradually, and with 
>sufficient time and direction from me (on the language aspects of the 
>lesson), then comprehension (of both the topic and of their classmates)is 
>improved and student participation is better.  Content is a vehicle for 
>improving communication competency.  If the content proves especially 
>engaging, then so much the better for all involved.
>
>Allan French
>ESL Instructor
>South Seattle Community College
>afrench@sccd.ctc.edu
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sylvan Rainwater [mailto:sylvan@cccchs.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:51 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8638] RE: War as a cross-cultural issue
>
>
>At 03:50 PM 02/24/2003 -0500, Susan Ryan wrote:
> >Do we need to get so deep into subject matter to teach the English
> >language? My students are just struggling to put the adjactive before the 
>noun!
>
>Obviously, we don't *need* to get so deep into subject matter. But
>sometimes it's useful. When people get interested in something that is
>meaningful to them, they quit thinking so hard about using the language and
>just communicate. I teach computers 1 hour a week, and even though it's all
>in English, most of them get it, and enjoy it, and forget that they are
>also learning English in the process.
>
>If you can have a discussion of a topic that affects everyone, and if war
>isn't it right now, I don't know what is, then sometimes that's fruitful to
>meet more than one need, and sometimes more useful than simply to practice
>a particular grammar point.
>
>Sure, you need both content and grammar, and how to balance them is part of
>the art of teaching.
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Sylvan Rainwater  .   Family Literacy Coordinator
>Clackamas County Children's Commission / Head Start
>Oregon City, OR USA    .   mailto:sylvan@cccchs.org
>


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