[NIFL-ESL:8752] RE: NIFL's Policy

From: Gustav Kocsis (gkocsis@sfccnm.edu)
Date: Thu Mar 06 2003 - 12:07:02 EST


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From: Gustav Kocsis <gkocsis@sfccnm.edu>
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I agree. I have found that there has been so much good out of this list that
I have been willing to put up with some inconvenience. Just stay with it;
"this too shall pass."
Gustav Kocsis

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Susan Ryan [mailto:susanefl@hotmail.com] 
Sent:	Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:02 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	[NIFL-ESL:8751] RE: NIFL's Policy

Melinda, This is regrettable. Please reconsider.We need people like you on 
this list.
Susan






>From: "Melinda Hefner" <mhefner@cccti.edu>
>Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
>To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8750] RE: NIFL's Policy
>Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:49:37 -0500 (EST)
>
>This will, unfortunately, be my last post on this list.  I have learned
>so much from so many of you.  And, over the course of my being a list
>member, so many of you have helped with questions specific to my working
>on an ESL/Civics Education Project.  The generosity that you have shown
>is greatly appreciated.  Many of you took the time to e-mail me
>privately to give information, instructional tips, curriculum ideas,
>lesson plan information, etc.  I am so grateful for your having done
>that.  As a relative newcomer to English literacy, I learned so much
>more from you than I was able to share in return.  Again, thank you so
>much for your insight, your caring about our students, and your
>willingness to share with one another so that we can help our students
>master English and become fully participating members of their
>communities.
>
>I tried so very hard to stay out of the heated discussions that have
>been posted lately, and, to the best of my recollection, I did not post
>anything to the group regarding the "debates".  But I became very
>frustrated when the ugly attacks came without an apparent end.
>Unfortunately, I sent the following post to the list:  "Will the list
>moderator PLEASE do something about this person's inexcusable attacks on
>members of this list?  Thanks!"  In retrospect, I should have sent this
>to the list moderator.  I apologize for "dragging" the other list
>members into my request.
>
>Shortly after that posting, I received an off list e-mail from the
>banned member saying, "You'll get yours too someday. CJ"   This is the
>kind of ugliness that I had hoped to avoid for the list, but I found
>myself being on the receiving end of it instead.
>
>Best wishes to all of you.  So many of you do such a wonderful job on
>behalf of our students.  And thank you to the list moderator(s) for
>trying to make this list a wonderful place for the exchange of ideas to
>help us all be better at our craft.
>
>Warm regards,
>Melinda Hefner
>
>
> >>> WonJst@netscape.net 03/05 11:55 PM >>>
>"Miriam Burt" <miriam@cal.org> wrote:
>
> >And I do not wish to see messages on this list serve (or in my own
>mailbox either for that matter) where folks call other folks crybabies
>and attack them personally for their views. It's not and issue of
>censorship: it's of keeping someone from yelling fire in a crowded
>theatre when there's no fire.<<
>
>Is your sense of proportion a bit skewed here? Are your priorities
>straight, given all that is going on in the world right now?
>
>I ask that you moderate and lead discussions and stop censoring the
>list. It's that simple. Also, you might all be a bit more honest about
>what happened instead of dumping on one person who became upset (he
>didn't use words like 'asinine' or 'troublemaker', two others did). The
>individual became upset at the whining, upset at the dishonesty, and
>upset about the censorship. At least that is what he said in a post
>offlist.
>
>SJW
>
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