Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h1RKcwP06897; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:38:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:38:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <F52yW94V4DfOlP4JzHq00015fe4@hotmail.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Susan Ryan" <susanefl@hotmail.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8675] Re: Writing in books X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Status: O Content-Length: 6221 Lines: 187 Dottie--Do students in the Community College setting pay for their ESOL classes? Is your book of worksheets only available for students there? Susan >From: "Dottie Shattuck" <dottie@shattuck.net> >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov >To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8672] Re: Writing in books >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:07:25 -0500 (EST) > >Cathy -- >For teachers in the community college where I teach, the CD-ROM with >printable >worksheets is an option only if the teacher is willing to print them on her >own >printer, at her expense. This semester, for the first time in the 6 yrs. >I've >been there, we each got a copy card (no free copiers) with 100 copies on it >(for 2 >classes). > >We ask students to buy their own texts & most do. We try to keep the costs >as low >as possible; this semester, my 2 "necessary" Intro books were $14.75 >(total), >with a 3rd book optional ($11.75). The dept. provides a class set of the >3rd book >& other more expensive books for higher level classes. > >One way I'm able to keep the cost to the students low is to use my own >"teacher-made" worksheets/dialogs. I've put these into a booklet which is >copied >at campus printing & sold to the students through the campus bookstore. >This >semester, the booklet was $5.35 (including tax). > >Dottie Shattuck >CPCC >Charlotte, NC >dottie@shattuck.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cathy Shank" <cshank@access.k12.wv.us> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:11 AM >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8662] Re: Writing in books > > >| >| Do you have a budget for photocopies? Or is that a problem also? >| Just curious to know if a text series that offered an accompanying CD >| ROM that came with the Teacher edition and that had worksheets that you >| could print off, would be attractive? >| Cathy Shank >| >| >| -----Original Message----- >| From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Lorraine >| Gardner >| Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:03 AM >| To: Multiple recipients of list >| Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8661] Re: Writing in books >| >| This is definitely the ideal situation, I agree. However, in the >| non-credit >| community college ESL/ABE programs in which I have taught, the only way >| students could have their own book was to buy it themselves. Some did, >| but >| the vast majority could not afford it. So if I wanted to give students >| an >| assignment to work on at home, I had to make photocopies. With the >| budget >| cuts going on nowadays, I imagine the situation will not change any time >| >| soon. It's not the ideal, but it's the situation that many of us have to >| face. >| >| Lorraine Gardner >| Academic/Workplace Skills Instructor >| Omaha, NE >| lad-oh@etop.org >| >| >| At 09:42 AM 2/27/03 -0500, you wrote: >| >Christina, >| > >| >I have to agree that students need the actual book. Having their own >| >personal book gives a status of "learner" and nothing else accomplishes >| >this in quite the same way. >| > >| >Donita Kaare >| >Learning Skills Center Director >| >Olney Central College >| > >| >-----Original Message----- >| >From: Barbara Dorsett [mailto:barbsesl@worldpath.net] >| >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:38 AM >| >To: Multiple recipients of list >| >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8659] Re: Writing in books >| > >| >Christina: Our adult ed. center was recently given an explanation of >| >the >| >copyright law, and the way I understand it is that as long as you >| aren't >| >copying a whole book, and what you do copy is only used in your >| >classroom, >| >you can make copies. Of course, that may mean some things in a book >| >won't >| >be used. Some of us just have the students number a sheet of paper and >| >do >| >exercises that way without writing in the book. Anyway, I know how you >| >feel--we also have limited resources and have to keep a close eye on >| >copy >| >machine use. Any, yes, I do look for photocopiable materials, and I am >| >finding more and more of them. I think publishers/authors are getting >| >the >| >idea of our plight in adult ed. My favorite text to get people started >| >in >| >English is called Collaborations: English in Our Lives (Lit. Level) by >| >Donna >| >Moss, Cathy Shank, and Lynda Terrill (Go, Lynda!) published by Heinle & >| >Heinle. It has life stories written by actual learners (so your >| learners >| >can >| >relate), great photographs, many different writing, listening, and >| >speaking >| >activities, and great ideas for little projects to do in class. The >| >upper >| >levels of this series have even more great ideas for extension >| >activities. >| >Barbara Dorsett, >| >ESOL teacher and coordinator >| >Dover Adult Learning Center >| >Dover, NH >| >----- Original Message ----- >| >From: <Cleomathew@aol.com> >| >To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >| >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:50 AM >| >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8654] Writing in books >| > >| > >| > > Hello list, >| > > >| > > I was wondering how other people dealt with this problem. I teach at >| >the >| > > pre-literacy level with adult refugees. We can buy classroom sets of >| >books, >| > > but the books have to stay in the room and can't be written in. >| >Students >| >can >| > > buy books, but many don't have the resources to do so. What have >| other >| > > programs done? Do you use books in your classroom? Do you look for >| >copyable >| > > materials? Are there any favorite books at the pre-literacy level? >| > > >| > > I like Longman ESL Literacy, but since we can't write in the books >| and >| >it >| > > isn't a copyable book, I can't use it. I've ended up making a lot of >| >my >| >own >| > > worksheets, and I use pictures from magazines and the Internet to >| make >| >board >| > > games and card sets for basic foods, body parts, clothing, etc. >| > > >| > > Thanks, >| > > Christina L. Mathew >| > > DeKalb Tech. ESL Teacher, >| > > Clarkston, Georgia >| > > >| >| > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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