[NIFL-POVRACELIT:464] family literacy--it takes a village

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Colleagues:

Some time back I posted several messages on our agency's community-based
literacy initiative.  Today, one of our tutors, Rose, also a long term
parent volunteer in the family resource center where the program takes
place, interviewed three of her students.  I was tempted to post the entire
interview, though its 3,000 caused me to pause.  Instead, I include only the
discussion with Geraldine who has been with the program for a long time and
is still in the beginning level class and has some obvious cognitive
processing problems.  While it is doubtful that her reading level will
dramatically improve, what she says about her own learning, its meaning for
her life and her family, is profound. There is much discussion these days
about performance-based education.  What Geraldine has learned and the
impact the program has had on her life, may or may not show up on evaluative
frameworks based on "outcomes," only, particularly if they are separated
from the more subtle context in which they are often embedded.  Moreover,
without extensive interviewing, observation, and close case study analysis,
it would be virtually impossible to capture the subtle and poignant things
that Geraldine has shared, yet on any standardized "instrument," she comes
out a nil on the observable radar screen, and I'm not sure that checklists
or goal sheets would either get at the depth of her experience.  Geraldine
is willing to share her experience with others.  May what she says play even
but a very small role in the effort to help justify a humane and enlightened
national policy and priority on the ineffable, but highly meaningful
phenomenon of adult literacy education.  Obviously, many of us could share
similar types of stories.  I would encourage us all to think through how we
might be able to establish a national "data" base of interviews like the
following.

George Demetrion
Literacy Volunteers of Greater Hartford
Gdemetrion@msn.com
Gdemetrion@lvgh.org


March 12, 2001

Rose:  How long have you been coming to the program?

Geraldine:  It's just five years.  And I like it and stuff like that, so, I'
ve been learning and writing and stuff.  So far, I'm getting used to it.
So, that's all I've got to say.

Rose:  What have you learned, basically, in attending your classes?

Geraldine:  Reading and writing, how to spell, how to say the vowels and
whatever and maps and stuff.  And so far, I like it.  It's doing me real
good.  So I can get to learn to help everybody else to do math and stuff.
That's my goal for the next year.

Rose:  What topics do you like the most?

Geraldine:  Reading, writing, spelling, talking to everybody.  And that's my
goal and that's my topic. And coming to school on Tuesday and Thursday.  And
talking to my teacher like I'm doing now.

Rose:  What things are you finding easier now that wasn't easy to you
before?

Geraldine:  Reading, writing and spelling, saying the vowels and everything
else and that's my goal.

Rose:  And what do you think about the group setting?

Geraldine:  It's nice and stuff, you know and to talk with everybody and see
what they got to do and this and that.  So it's nice, when I want to get my
goal, I'm going to put my focus on that goal like I thought.  I'm going to
really try hard to get that goal, like I thought.  And I really want my
granddaughter to get it to, so I'm helping out a lot with that.

Rose:  How do you feel?

Geraldine:  It's nice.  It's close.  I been walking for a while.  If I have
to go somewhere [for  a program], I take that chance and go somewhere else.
I've been this far coming, so I ain't ever going to stop coming here.  That'
s all there's too it.

Rose:  And Geraldine, how do you feel about the setting, the staff.?

Geraldine:  The staff is nice.  I really enjoy the staff.  I'm learning from
the staff, too. I'm learning from everybody and everybody else helping the
staff.

Geraldine:  If you got a problem, you either ask Linnette or as Paula, they'
re there to help you.  They'ain't  gonna turn you away from your problems.
They're there to help you.  When I first stated I didn't know nobody. I'm
learning from the staff.  I'm learning from my daughter and I'm learning
from my granddaughter.  They're the only two I got to learn from.  I'm not
learning on my own. I'm learning from the students and I'm learning from the
staff.  That's the only way I'm going to get something in life.  If you're
learning from the staff, you're gonna get it.  That's my goal, learning from
the staff.  You ain't learning from somebody else. You're learning from the
staff and you're learning from the teachers.  If the teachers ain't there,
you're learning even from a student or even by somebody out in the street.
That's the way see it out there.  'Cause I was out there.  It was hard for
me when I first started here.  I didn't even know nobody, like I said.  That
's my next goal.  If I got to learn, I'm going to keep on learning.

Rose:  In your reading and writing, how are you using it in your daily life?

Geraldine:  I look at the newspaper, I write the words down.  Then I ask my
boyfriend what the sign is.  He like, "spell it.  If you can't spell it,
write [copy] it.  Now I'm doing  both. I'm looking at the signs when I go
down town. I'm looking this way and that way.  Then I take another [look?]
and they don't be right.   I be like, "I give up."  Then I say something
else and if it still don't be right, then I [get?] it then.  That's all.

Rose:   Do you have anything you'd like to change about the program?

Geraldine: That we have more time to come instead of [just] Tuesdays and
Thursdays.  I wish it were on Fridays' too.

Rose:  Do you all have something to say about what does literacy mean to
you?

Geraldine:  Everything that Tex had shared is about the same.  "Cause I like
to read, I like to write.  I like to so a lot of things with my grandkids.
Every time I do stuff, they're right there learning it.  Then my
granddaughter ask me a question, like "what is it. She's like, "grandma,
what is this word?"  I'm like "cat."  She like, "how can I spell that?" "
"C-a-t, cat."  And then she'll write it five times, then I have to spell it.
That's how I get taught the learning, then I'll spell it myself.  And I help
her out more than me.  Most everything I be doing, she catch on with me.  We
about at the same level.  Yeah, I be helping a lot of people out.  That's my
goal.

Geraldine:  When I get mad, right, I don't take it out on the class.  I take
it out on me.  Cause I had that evil in me and I get mad.  Then something
tell me," don't do it."  Then when I get home I still do it.  Then when I
start doing something else, it's like, "Geraldine, your homework, your
homework."  I be like, "Okay, Geraldine, do it."  See, I got that
self-esteem because of my mother.  I didn't get it from my sister.  I didn't
get it from my brother.  I didn't get it from my father.  I got it from my
mother.  See, a hard head gonna make a soft behind and that's what it is.  I
'm hard headed and I'm evil.  My daughter got the same temper.  Me and her
are just the same way.

Rose:  Okay, so everything sounds really good.  Now, if you could tell
anyone about the program or your learning that doesn't have any experience
with adult literacy classes, what would you say?  I'd tell them about the
adult literacy classes.

Geraldine:  My father didn't even know how to read and write, right.  He
still don't.  I be like, "dad, come to class with me."  See, my father, he
have that real low self-esteem.  He hide [hiding].  He can't read and write.
He's been like that all his life.  I be like, "dad, come to class with me on
Tuesdays and Thursdays.  We help you if you don't know how to read."  See, I
want to know how to read.  I didn't know how to read.  While I was going to
real school, I didn't know how to read.  I was on a learning .handicapped
side.  I still don't know how to read.  I'm learning now.  I told my daddy,
"dad, come to class on Tuesday and Thursdays.  I'll give you the umber.  You
can call the guy here who'll tell you to come to class with me."  He was
like, "Geraldine, I'm going to come to class with you one day, he said.  He
got to keep that self-esteem on his self instead of me pushing him.  I told
my daddy, I told my sisters-my sisters don't know how to read.  I'm the only
one who know how to read and write.

Tex:  How many in your family?

Geraldine:  Four of us.  Four girls and one boy.  I mean I had a battle on
my hands-a battle.  It ain't easy when you come up you got to fall down.  It
's always gonna be like that.  You got to fall one day. And I done do that
so many times.  I said, "now, my self-esteem is empty."



























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