It is time, in my opinion, to include lesbian women as a group of women, not necessarily based on race.  I don't believe this would dilute the issues, but rather, be an inclusive discussion.
What do you think?
Shirley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Sandyajackson at cs.com 
Date: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:17 pm 
Subject: [WomenLiteracy 618] Re: Update on Women and Literacy list 
To: womenliteracy at nifl.gov (The Women and Literacy Discussion List) 


> I agree Audrey.. 

> And I wonder why 'Women literacy' with 'Poverty, Race' why not 

> 'health literacy' and Poverty, Race? 

> I also know that Dr Greenberg will do an excellent job in 

> monitoring 

> Sandra Jackson 

> 

> Audrey Ambrosino <audrey at dresdenflats.org> wrote: 

> 

> >I, too, agree that the merging of the list is not in the best 

> interest of the list users or those they serve.  Clearly, there is 

> some overlap, but I believe that each population has distinct 

> needs and issues.  Merging the lists does seem to indicate that 

> marginalized people should be thought of a unitary group.  Reminds 

> me of the early days of the multicultural movement, where 

> multicultural was often the catch-all phrase for those other than 

> the dominant group.  Also, I fear that the amount of information 

> being delivered through this new pipeline will be unwieldy and 

> overwhelming to both list managers and consumers. 

> > 

> >  I also wonder about the motivation for the merger and wonder if 

> list users were consulted and polled beforehand.  While I 

> understand that some lists are more active than others, I would 

> argue that as long as a list is serving the needs of its 

> subscribers and is being used on a regular basis, as are both of 

> the lists in question, then it is valuable. 

> > 

> >  Lastly, I wonder if there is potential to reverse this decision 

> and what collective action would be needed to pursue a reversal. 

> > 

> >  Audrey Ambrosino 

> >  Graduate Student, Educational Psychology Doctoral Program 

> >  Georgia State University 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> >Barbara Petersohn <libbsp at langate.gsu.edu> wrote: 

> >  I am dissapointed that there is not support for individual 

> lists for 

> >these topics because often professionals are trying to focus their 

> >current events awareness through discussion lists like these and 

> want to 

> >target specific topics. Consolidation of lists creates a flood of 

> >off-topic posts in one's mail box to have to review and delete. 

> > 

> >Not that we couldn't learn more from monitoring a variety of lists, 

> >it's just that when scanning several lists, as part of your job or 

> >professional interests, one also also has to spend time to 

> reviewing and 

> >deleting so many additional postings that are not relevant. 

> > 

> >Oh well... 

> >Barbara Petersohn 

> > 

> >>>> "Laurie Sheridan" 10/23/2006 9:13 AM 

> >>>> 

> >I'm in agreement with Ujwala (and others who have expressed 

> >disappointment) about this. Just seeing the title, "Poverty, Race, 

> >Women and LIteracy" makes it sound a little unfortunate to me, 

> kind of 

> >a 

> >catch-all--women's issues aren't ONLY about poverty and race, and 

> >poverty and race aren't ONLY about women. Well, I'll say it--it 

> >sounds a little like the list for all the "marginalized" folks, 

> >lumping 

> >them all together. I think I, and most of us, use somewhat different 

> >voices and perspectives in talking about women (and as women), 

> and in 

> >talking about poverty and race, even though the overlap is 

> >considerable. 

> >Do we know who uses each list-serv, and was the decision to merge 

> >them based on overlap there? I am trying to be optimistic that this 

> >will involve a wider group of e-mailers than either list alone, but 

> >something is also going to be lost in the translation. 

> > 

> >I do have great faith that you, Daphne, will be able to keep at least 

> >much of the focus on women, though. And also on poverty and race! It 

> >just covers an awful lot, and I hope this listserv continues to be 

> >meaningful on both fronts. 

> > 

> >Laurie Sheridan 

> > 

> >>>> lalumineuse at yahoo.com 10/23/2006 8:48 AM >>> 

> >I am saddened to see the Women and Literacy list 

> >closed. A bit shortsighted to that, and whilst I am 

> >aware that it's women who are the victims of poverty, 

> >merging the two lists will only confuse the issues 

> >further. Is there a way to host the Women and Literacy 

> >List elsewhere? 

> >Ujwala 

> > 

> >--- Janet Isserlis wrote: 

> > 

> >> this is the response I'd sent to the content 

> >> standards and English language 

> >> lists; 

> >> apologies for the cross posting for some 

> >> 

> >> Aside from the reasons given here, are there other 

> >> substantive reasons for 

> >> eliminating these two lists? While their content 

> >> *may* overlap, at times, 

> >> there are also distinct purposes to each, and useful 

> >> information particular 

> >> to each exchanged, and - at times - cross posted to 

> >> various other lists. 

> >> 

> >> I'm very sorry to see these two lists being 

> >> eliminated. 

> >> 

> >> Janet Isserlis 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> From: Bertha Mo 

> >> Reply-To: The Women and Literacy Discussion List 

> >> 

> >> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:10:36 -0700 (PDT) 

> >> To: The Women and Literacy Discussion List 

> >> 

> >> Subject: [WomenLiteracy 594] Re: Update on Women and 

> >> Literacy list 

> >> 

> >> I'm a bit concerned because I think that different 

> >> folks subscribe to a list 

> >> that is women focused. I'm pretty shy about 

> >> responding to most lists. And 

> >> I've been very encouraged by the gentle support I've 

> >> received from you and 

> >> others on the list. 

> >> 

> >> Best, 

> >> 

> >> Bertie 

> >> 

> >> Daphne Greenberg wrote: 

> >> > I am wondering how people on this list feel about 

> >> the merging of the 

> >> > Women and Literacy List with the Poverty, Race, 

> >> and Literacy list? Any 

> >> > reactions? Happiness? Disappointment? Concern? 

> >> Excitement? 

> >> > Daphne 

> >> > 

> >> >>>> >>> "Nguyen, My Linh" 10/18/06 11:37 AM >>> 

> >> > Dear Discussion List subscribers, 

> >> > 

> >> > As the National Institute for Literacy enters a 

> >> new fiscal year, 

> >> > we 

> >> > have taken steps to streamline the way we deliver 

> >> professional 

> >> > development 

> >> > to our discussion list members. A major change 

> >> that will directly affect 

> >> > you 

> >> > is the merging of the Poverty, Race and Literacy 

> >> List with the Women and 

> >> > Literacy List starting November 6, 2006. 

> >> > 

> >> > We will continue to provide access to discussion 

> >> archives on our 

> >> > website. 

> >> > 

> >> > We have chosen to combine the two lists because 

> >> we recognize 

> >> > that 

> >> > many of the issues that impact one group also 

> >> affect the other group, 

> >> > and 

> >> > believe that many of the topics discussed on one 

> >> list can 

> >> > benefit 

> >> > the other list. For that reason, we decided to 

> >> combine the lists to 

> >> > enhance 

> >> > list members access to the latest ideas and 

> >> information 

> >> > available. 

> >> > Race and gender issues often intersect, and it is 

> >> most both practical 

> >> > and 

> >> > appropriate to have them intersect on one 

> >> combined list. 

> >> > 

> >> > We know that many members of our two lists, 

> >> especially members 

> >> > of 

> >> > our Women's list, view the lists as safe havens 

> >> where issues can be 

> >> > raised 

> >> > and discussed. We want you to know that we will 

> >> continue to 

> >> > respect 

> >> > your input and will maintain the same high level 

> >> of sensitivity and 

> >> > respect 

> >> > we have always shown our list members. In 

> >> combining the two 

> >> > lists, 

> >> > Daphne Greenberg will serve as the moderator for 

> >> the new combined list. 

> >> > Her 

> >> > experience with women's literacy has enabled her 

> >> to moderate the women's 

> >> > list with the right balance of sensitivity and 

> >> insight that is necessary 

> >> > for 

> >> > such a list. And we know that in assuming the 

> >> responsibility of the new 

> >> > list, she will bring the same balance to the 

> >> Poverty, Race, Women, and 

> >> > Literacy list. 

> >> > 

> >> > The Institute will be inviting current 

> >> subscribers for both the 

> >> > Poverty, Race Literacy List and the Women and 

> >> Literacy List to the new 

> >> > combined 

> >> > Poverty, Race, Women and Literacy List. Once you 

> >> receive the 

> >> > invitation, you will need to confirm your 

> >> subscription to the Poverty, 

> >> > Race, Women and Literacy List. 

> >> > 

> >> > We encourage you to be an active participant in 

> >> the new list by 

> >> > sharing your unique perspectives to help make the 

> >> Poverty, Race, Women 

> >> > and 

> >> > Literacy List a dynamic resource for information 

> >> and 

> >> > professional 

> >> > development. 

> >> > 

> >> > My Linh Nguyen 

> >> > Associate Director of Communications 

> >> > National Institute for Literacy 

> >> > (202) 233-2041 

> >> > fax (202) 233-2050 

> >> > mnguyen at nifl.gov 

> >> > 

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