[NIFL-ESL:8592] Re: RE: War as a cross-cultural issue

From: Susan Ryan (susanefl@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 24 2003 - 15:47:52 EST


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Do we need to get so deep into subject matter to teach the English language? 
My students are just struggling to put the adjactive before the noun!
Susan






>From: "Hillary Gardner" <hgardner@lagcc.cuny.edu>
>Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
>To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8591] RE: War as a cross-cultural issue
>Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:37:40 -0500 (EST)
>
>There is an interesting lesson on "War and the Military" in a book called 
>"Talk Your Head Off and Write Too" by Brana Rish West and published by 
>Prentice Hall (1997). The lesson consits of vocabulary, 13 discussion 
>questions, and a class survey where students can ask their classmates 
>name/native country/who was your country fighting/when/why were they 
>fighting. I haven't tried this lesson with my students, but I thought it 
>seemed like a potentially interesting and non-judgmental way to put the 
>subject of war into a cross-cultural, historical perspective.
>
>In my adult ESOL/Civics class we recently studied the powers of the 
>president as each student prepared a brief presentation on the life of one 
>of the U.S. presidents. So, while we did not address war in Iraq as a 
>topic, we did discuss the presidential power to make war or treaties, and 
>how some of the honored and famous U.S. presidents led the country during 
>times of war (Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt). In this way we were able to 
>discuss what the current president might think he stands to "gain" by being 
>pro-war.
>
>Hillary Gardner
>ESOL/Civics Instructor
>English for New Americans
>Center for Immigrant Education and Training
>La Guardia Community College
>Long Island City, New York
>
>
> >>> lad-oh@etop.org 02/24/03 11:29AM >>>
>People see events in terms of their own experiences, and in some cases, in
>terms of what they have been taught. I don't know that we can say that any
>view point is "right" or "wrong," but we can certainly encourage discussion
>to help students understand why other people feel differently about the
>situation. I was teaching English in Korea at the time of the Kobe
>earthquake, and I was just floored to hear my several of my high-school
>girls say that they were happy because many Japanese people died. Even
>though they (and probably most members of their families) had no personal
>recollection of Japanese occupation, the anti-Japanese sentiment was deeply
>engrained in them. When I told a Japanese friend of mine what the girls had
>said, she said that she understood their point of view because Japan never
>apologized to Korea for the things they had done during the years of
>occupation. Nevertheless, I had no regrets about expressing my displeasure
>at their joy over such a horrible disaster. I related to them my mother's
>experience growing up during the Blitz in WWII London. Although she had
>terrible memories of neighbors being killed and living in bomb shelters for
>days at a time with no light and little food and water, she did not teach
>me to hate German people. She taught me that you cannot blame every person
>for the actions of a few, and that's what I tried to communicate to my
>Korean students. I hope I at least made them think about why they said what
>they did, whether their words expressed their true feelings or just
>something they had been taught to feel.
>
>Lorraine Gardner
>Academic/Workplace Skills Instructor
>Omaha, NE
>lad-oh@etop.org
>
>At 10:16 AM 2/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Your students want to know why the U.S. goes around attacking people all 
>the
> >time? Do they study the history of Japan during the 20th century? I have
> >great reservations re: the present action being contemplated, but I do 
>know
> >if we really wanted the oil in Iraq we could have had it long ago. Yes, 
>the
> >U.S. makes many mistakes, but we don't go around attacking people all the
> >time.
> >
> >********************
> >Cindi Riley
> >Assistant Director
> >Literacy Volunteers of the Lowcountry
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> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Charles
> >Jannuzi
> >Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:15 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8579] War as a cross-cultural issue
> >
> >Well here I am, an American in Fukui, Japan, and I have EFL students 
>asking
> >me, Why does the US attack everyone all the time? Why has war become 
>almost
> >an annual event?
> >
> >What do I say? My country right or wrong? That American's unsurpassed 
>power
> >somehow gives it the moral right to decide who lives and who dies?
> >
> >Do I get indignant and tell my students they are talking 'crap'? My 
>students
> >right here in Fukui City can go ask their grandparents if they want to 
>hear
> >real memories of what war actually means. The entire city was 
>incinerated,
> >and the forested hill in the center became one giant charnel.
> >
> >I walk there every week among the trees and look at the thousands upon
> >thousands of gravestones that show life after life barely lived and then
> >snuffed out.
> >
> >Indignation is cheap. I don't think of their questions as attacks. I tell
> >them what my views are, and they actually appear thankful that not all
> >Americans think like the current administration does.
> >
> >I suggest some Americans I know review what freedom of speech means. They
> >might start with the recent articles of John Pilger, an Australian. 
>Written
> >in a plain English that most federal emergency management bureaucrats 
>can't
> >touch. You might also ask why is it that such blunt journalism makes up 
>less
> >than 1% of what is published and almost none of it in the mainstream 
>press
> >in the US.
> >
> >Charles Jannuzi
> >Fukui, Japan
>


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