Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h822G6717662; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <Law9-F284cnNRxGx6Wr00027737@hotmail.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Susan Ryan" <susanefl@hotmail.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9352] Re: Accept English Only donation? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Status: O Content-Length: 6730 Lines: 225 Tanya--I think living in any country 8-10 years without learning the language to some extent would be culturally and socially isolating and could also prove to be dangerous. I read of a lady who knew no English who was lost for 24 hours in a Florida city and couldn't find her way home.It must have been a terrifying experience. I once lived in Spain for only 6 months and found it difficult enough to get by on my limited Spanish for just that long. You also could not be very gainfully employed in a country without knowing the language. I should think 10 years of immersion in a language at any age would lead to some command of the language, would it not? Susan >From: "ttweeton" <ttweeton@comcast.net> >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov >To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9351] Re: Accept English Only donation? >Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:56:54 -0400 (EDT) > >Do you think one should live 8 to 10 years in a country, any country in >the world without learning the language? > >Tanya Tweeton >Adult Esol Community School >Fort Lauderdale, Florida > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Albert Wat" <ayw@georgetown.edu> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:19 AM >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9307] Re: Accept English Only donation? > > > > Funny... in Washington DC, there are always wait lists of immigrants who > > are dying to learn English. If anything, I think this country's > > policies may deter people from learning English not by providing > > services in people's first language, but by putting the fear of God into > > immigrants who don't have papers. And by the way, what's wrong with the > > government providing services in people's first language? If people > > can't access the basic necessities in their everyday lives, how do you > > expect them to find work and support their family? And then we blame > > them for leeching off the system (when we're not blaming them for taking > > our jobs away)! > > > > I'd like to see some of us survive in places where no one speaks any > > languages that we know... not as vacationers, but as immigrants trying > > to make a living. We'll probably complain why no one knows any English > > in that backwards country! > > > > -- > > > > Albert Wat, Program Director > > DC Schools Project > > Office of Volunteer & Public Service - Center for Social Justice > > Georgetown University, Poulton Hall > > 1421 37th St., NW, 1st Floor > > Washington, DC 20057 > > Tel: (202)687-8868 Fax: (202)687-8980 > > https://data.georgetown.edu/outreach/csj/service/programs/dcsp/ > > > > > > > > ttweeton wrote: > > > > > Welcome to America. > > > > > > > > >>Do what u like. > > >>We'll give u tax dollar. > > >> > > >>Xenophillically > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Joe you are so funny.! I am in agreement with what you say. The >issue >of > > >Bilingual programs ( or not) IS a problem for the children, but a >most > > >irritating situation is the immigrant (parents of those children??) >who > > >comes here and decides that it is not necessary to learn English( or >ver >y > > >little of it ) because he/she can get along pretty well (particularly >in > > >Miami ) without it! AND finds all kinds of government help in his/her >native > > >language just as you stated ( so why learn English if you don't have >to!!!!) > > >If you are from Miami you know this but when you call govt. offices >here, > > >the first language spoken when answering the phone is Spanish. I > > >personally speak Spanish AND French AND Italian etc...., no problem, > > >BUT...... how presumptious of these people to think that I will > > >automatically understand what they are saying!!!! In this case, with >these > > >govt agencies English MUST and should be spoken , AND come first! I >,as > > >a taxpayer, pay their salaries and have a right to expect that I will >be > > >helped in "correctly and clearly spoken "English FIRST. To speak in >Spanish > > >first , only intimidates me, as Mrs Consumer. I also have rights as a > > >consumer . How can they possibly know who is at the other end of the >line?? > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Joe Little" < > > >To: "Multiple recipients of list" < > > >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:48 PM > > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9300] Re: Accept English Only donation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> One suggestion would be for students to investigate the group (as an > > >>> exercise). Financials should be public, as are mission statements, > > >>> > > >>> > > >etc. > > > > > > > > >>> See what percentage of their budget goes for ESL. There is no >paucity > > >>> > > >>> > > >of > > > > > > > > >>> newspaper articles at relatively easy reading levels that go into an > > >>> > > >>> > > >array > > > > > > > > >>> of issues and cases associated with English Only. Some go into > > >>> > > >>> > > >employees > > > > > > > > >>> suing employers for their right to speak their native language on >the > > >>> > > >>> > > >job; others > > > > > > > > >>> tell the exact opposite. And of course, English Only's strong > > >>> > > >>> > > >connection to > > > > > > > > >>> right wing, anti-immigrant forces are well documented and easy to > > >>> > > >>> > > >understand. > > > > > > > > >>Laurie, Cathy, and all, > > >> > > >>I love the idea of investigating the financial statement and mission > > >> > > >> > > >statement of the English Only organization. That's clear,factual >stuff. > > >Many folks-- present company excluded, hopefully -- would stear clear >of > > >that, opting instead for liberal-rant, leftist- > > > > > > > > >>rave articles from our libero-centric friends in the media. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> That the group approached you with the unabashed intention to use >their > > >>> donation as a PR stint to push "their" political agenda reminds me >of >a > > >>> slogan on a t-shirt complete w/caps and exclamation points I saw >just > > >>> > > >>> > > >last > > > > > > > > >>> weekend in NJ: "Welcome to America. Now SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!" As >ESL > > >>> professionals, we know that the bottom line is xenophobia. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Bottom line of what? That slogan? Produced by whom? Probably the vast > > >> > > >> > > >left-wing conspiracy...but seriously, the t-shirt u saw reminds me of a > > >haiku i read not three > > > > > > > > >>hours ago: > > >> > > >>, > > >> > > >>sincerely, > > >> > > >>Joe > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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