Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h23FVoP09978 for <nifl-esl@nifl.gov>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p200-40569 (h00045af7aabf.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.148.156]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2003030315314500100j7ujie>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:31:45 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:41:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01C2E171.7C3690A0.ldpierce@emlc.org> From: Lisa Pierce <ldpierce@emlc.org> Reply-To: "ldpierce@emlc.org" <ldpierce@emlc.org> To: "'nifl-esl@nifl.gov'" <nifl-esl@nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8709] RE: Re: oil and war Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:41:43 -0500 Organization: EMLC X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Content-Length: 4716 Lines: 107 I would advise against teaching students (and spreading around in general) hearsay that has no factual basis. The potential for war is about weapons vs. oil but it is not to prevent a deterrent to American intervention. If that were the case we would be at war with every nation. This is all getting very tiresome (this exchange of charged opinions without factual base and with no helpful ideas for classroom use). I appreciate your question Marlene. I hope others form the list will provide useful information and ideas. both the US and Iraq are in a difficult place. They both risk losing power by backing down from their current stances. Power is made up in a large part by perception. Saddam doesn't have as much power as he would like and more than the US would like. The question for Saddam is how he can keep his current level of perceived power and avoid war. The question for the US and other UN nations, is how can they ensure that Saddam does not keep and build weapons of mass destruction (that would threaten the stability of the region and the safety of many) without war. You might have a class discussion on issues of power (international or local): what is power? how does one gain power? What's an appropriate use of power? Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Ken Todd [SMTP:kentodd@UDel.Edu] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 9:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8690] Re: dynamics of this list The question of oil concerns long term strategic control rather than immediate prices. A government with control over state-owned oil resources could withhold those supplies as a means to securing its own national interests. Privatized oil (an unspoken but safe to assume long-term US/EU/Japan goal) in a country with a client government guarantees uninterrupted supplies as well as a greater U.S./EU/Japan influence on levels of production/price. Of course, interests not solely derived from oil figure largely in the prosecution of this war, but they do not seem to me to lend themselves to a pro-American argument. The military strategy document prepared by experts from Bush's political circle before he was elected twice explicitly addresses the need to invade Iraq. It proposes one, and only one, reason. The development of Iraqi weapons (please note, not the weapons it currently has) would provide a deterrent to American intervention in the region. Thus, the war aims to enforce the general principle that no country has the right to means of defense against American intervention. (Please remember, this claim comes directly from the Bush document. If anyone finds it distasteful, direct your comments to the president, not to me). Of course, the choice of a site on which to demonstrate this principle is heavily influenced by the presence there of massive oil reserves. marlene smith wrote: > > Actually, I was hoping to get some Pro-American stuff > on this list. I haven't seen any yet. > > Part of my mandate is 'settlement' and Anti-American > sentiment based on untruths is not conducive to a > 'happy' life in Canada. > > So far I have been able to supply facts which cause > these students to rethink their negative attitudes but > I do not have the knowledge I should to answer the > 'oil' issue some Arabic students keep bringing up. > > How could it be about oil? Aren't the prices fixed > and what would bombing do for oil except increases our > prices as just the talk of it has already > significantly done so in Canada? > > Isn't is part of our responsibility to attempt to > diffuse potentially dangerous hatreds or at least not > add fuel to the fire? > > Marlene Smith > ESL Teacher > Ontario, Canada > > --- Charles Jannuzi <b_rieux@yahoo.com> wrote: > > It is regrettable that any attempt to discuss > > serious issues with political and social > > implications are censored on this > > list--censorship arising from the concerns of a > > handful of conservative and religious crybabies. > > It is hypocritical of the list owner and > > moderator to criticize anyone for substantive but > > challenging posts, when all such criticism does > > is cater to the very clique that has constantly > > initiated the personal attacks. In short, this > > list is now a repressive wasteland, like much of > > the political and social climate of the current > > US. > > > > Charles Jannuzi > > Fukui, Japan > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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