Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h26JJiP18761; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:19:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:19:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <F72g3uQdhAlbeDV4iHX00005602@hotmail.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Kimberly Cartier" <cartierkimberly@hotmail.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8756] RE: NIFL's Policy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Status: O Content-Length: 3619 Lines: 98 I have been feeling exactly the same way over here in New Hampshire. I really think that a lot of the comments that have been made to the listserve member who was expelled were inappropriate, rude, and a reflection of the writer's own ignorance. I am appalled when I consider the possibility that there is virtually no public forum in which an intelligent conversation about the political issues that affect our students can be conducted. Incidentally, whatever happened to the idea that reason should prevail in a debate (as opposed to ignorance and knee-jerk emotional responses)? If people are offended by comments to which they are incable of constructing an intelligent response, they really should keep their mouths shut (and their hands off of the keys). This whole thing is really chilling. Kimberly Cartier >From: "sissy kegley" <skegley@us.net> >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov >To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8747] RE: NIFL's Policy >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:51:06 -0500 (EST) > >I am in agreement with Ujwala's well-articulated message. > >Having heard from the moderators and others that this topic had dragged >on long enough, I thought it was best to remain silent. But to >reiterate, I believe Ujwala has made some important observations. > >Sissy Kegley >skegley@us.net >301-588-4333 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Ujwala >Samant >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:51 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8745] RE: NIFL's Policy > > >>Is your sense of proportion a bit skewed here? Are your priorities >straight, given all that is going on in the world right now? > >I ask that you moderate and lead discussions and stop censoring the >list. >It's that simple. Also, you might all be a bit more honest about what >happened instead of dumping on one person who became upset (he didn't >use >words like 'asinine' or 'troublemaker', two others did). The individual >became upset at the whining, upset at the dishonesty, and upset about >the >censorship. At least that is what he said in a post offlist. << > >I am inclined to agree with you. I think the censorship and banning has >been >arbitrarily done. All the initial exchanges seemed inflammatory from one >direction, and the responses were always polite. Then came the arrogant, >rude replies which went unchecked. That unfortunately seems to be the >tone >of any debate that includes politics, on or off line. > >How people can imagine that all they do is teach a language without the >context of politics, given our population, is either an expression of >naiveté or an expression of their ostrichlike tendencies. We talk Freire >and >do something entirely different in our practice. We critique academics >for >not being in touch with reality, and then turn around and do exactly the >same thing. We are not teaching high school students English as a >subject, >as one does Spanish or French. We're teaching adults to speak the >language >of power, the language that will help them negotiate this new culture, >which >especially in today's world, is rife with political innuendo. Or are we >teaching discrete, isolated skills sans context? Language teaching is >not >some sanitised K-12 scenario where we teach grammar, history in >sequences, >with no connection to the reality of learners' lives. > >regards >Ujwala Samant _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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