Yeah, well, I object to being left out of the disucssion, and so might 
your students who are female--choose another name, then.

Andrea

On Jul 12, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Thomas Nash wrote:


> Well the traditional methods of teaching or the processes - the 

> lecture,

> the project, the demonstration, drill and reviews, the Socratic 

> question

> and answer are still applicable to our world of adult education

> "classrooms". It is how we as teachers or "facilitators" of learning

> utilize the needs, goals, desires, capabilities and real life

> experiences of our learners in the respective learning experience for

> each individual learner. We can focus on the process and help adults

> develop transferable "skills" that can be used in various "content"

> areas...

> If you haven't already done so, you may also want to check out the

> Equipped for the Future conceptual framework that speaks to content AND

> skills. It refers to a purposeful, transparent, contextualized and

> constructivist learning experience for our adult learners...

> And my 2c worth on the debate in referring to the adult education 

> realm:

> I would choose andragogy instead of pedagogy which has as a root,

> "child".

>

>

> Tom

>

> Thomas A. Nash

> Director of Adult Education

> Windham Adult Education

> 406 Gray Road

> Windham, ME 04062

> (207) 892-1819

> tnash at windham.k12.me.us

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: focusonbasics-bounces at nifl.gov

> [mailto:focusonbasics-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Wilder

> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:04 AM

> To: The Focus on Basics Discussion List

> Subject: [FocusOnBasics 412] Re: pedagogy/andragogy

>

> I'm being picky--"androgogy"'s root is andr = male.  Personally, I

> avoid this word.

>

> It was coined, I believe by an adult educator whose name I have

> temporarily forgotten--but someone else will know, I am sure.

>

> Pedagogy in my pea-sized brain mesns teaching, or the art of teaching.

> I use this word.

>

> Andrea

>

>

> On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Tracy Rosen wrote:

>

>> Hi everyone - my name is Tracy, I also was trained in k-12 but have

>> worked

>> with adults as well. I am presently finishing my MA in human systems

>> intervention at Concordia University and am going to begin a new

>> position in

>> a few weeks at BJEC (the Bronfman Jewish Education Centre) as the

>> special

>> education coordinator for the schools in the Jewish education system

> in

>> Montreal.

>> Nice to meet you all!

>>

>> Here is a reference for andragogy:

>>

>> "In practical terms, andragogy means that instruction for adults needs

>

>> to

>> focus more on the process and less on the content being taught.

>> Strategies

>> such as case studies, role playing, simulations, and self-evaluation

>> are

>> most useful. Instructors adopt a role of facilitator or resource

>> rather than

>> lecturer or grader." - taken from

>> http://tip.psychology.org/knowles.html

>>

>> I would argue, though, if you want to wordsmyth, that pedagogy can be

>> synonymous with andragogy. At least it is in Quebec, where I work. The

>> Quebec education program is now much more based in process rather than

>> content and students (and teachers!) are being encouraged and trained

>> to

>> look at how they learn in order to facilitate the learning of content.

>> Students are also being assessed on the 'how' as well as the 'what'.

>> Most

>> learning is becoming project-based so that learners are working in

>> 'real-life' scenarios and there is a large self-evaluation component

> as

>> well. In fact, in elementary school most parent-teacher interviews

> have

>> become student-led conferences.

>>

>> I know that these kinds of reforms are happening in Ontario as well,

>> and I

>> am sure that this is going on elsewhere too. I am just not aware of

> it.

>>

>> So, from my perspective, good pedagogy is learner-centered and focuses

>

>> on

>> process and therefore not different from andragogy.

>>

>> Tracy Rosen

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ----Original Message Follows----

>> From: Woods <woodsnh at isp.com>

>> Reply-To: The Focus on Basics Discussion List <focusonbasics at nifl.gov>

>> To: The Focus on Basics Discussion List <focusonbasics at nifl.gov>

>> Subject: [FocusOnBasics 404] Re: individualized workbook approach

>> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:26:41 -0400

>>

>> OK. You got me. What is the difference between pedagogy and andragogy?

>

>> I

>> was trained in K-12, but somehow ended up with a adults who are my

>> students. I don't think I ever heard the term andragogy in my

> training,

>> nor in my practice.

>> Tom Woods

>> Community High School of Vermont

>>

>> khinson71 at cox.net wrote:

>>

>> Sometimes, the adult education instructor has no background and little

>> knowledge or understanding of the differences between pedagogy and

>> andragogy

>> when it comes to the adult classroom;

>>

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