Yes, I went to the book shelf this am to review a couple of Mr. Knowles'
books. I don't mean to leave anyone out of the discussion and meant no
disrespect at all. I do agree that teaching is an art and we can help to
lead - or assist in learners in finding their own way. I kind of like
Andres'  "andragynegogy". That made me smile.
Thanks for the intellectual stimulation today. Be well everyone!

Tom

Thomas A. Nash
Director of Adult Education
Windham Adult Education
406 Gray Road
Windham, ME 04062
(207) 892-1819
tnash at windham.k12.me.us


-----Original Message-----
From: focusonbasics-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:focusonbasics-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Muro, Andres
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:08 PM
To: The Focus on Basics Discussion List
Subject: [FocusOnBasics 422] Re: pedagogy/andragogy

Andrea:

Andragogy's coiner is Malcolm Knowles. Andra, as you know means male.
Peda means child. But pedagogy is the colloquially interpreted to mean
the science of education throughout many countries in the world. 

I am for andragynegogy. It applies to men, women and transgendered.

Andres

-----Original Message-----
From: focusonbasics-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:focusonbasics-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Wilder
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:04 AM
To: The Focus on Basics Discussion List
Subject: [FocusOnBasics 412] Re: pedagogy/andragogy

I'm being picky--"androgogy"'s root is andr = male.  Personally, I 
avoid this word.

It was coined, I believe by an adult educator whose name I have 
temporarily forgotten--but someone else will know, I am sure.

Pedagogy in my pea-sized brain mesns teaching, or the art of teaching.  
I use this word.

Andrea


On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Tracy Rosen wrote:


> Hi everyone - my name is Tracy, I also was trained in k-12 but have 

> worked

> with adults as well. I am presently finishing my MA in human systems

> intervention at Concordia University and am going to begin a new 

> position in

> a few weeks at BJEC (the Bronfman Jewish Education Centre) as the 

> special

> education coordinator for the schools in the Jewish education system

in

> Montreal.

> Nice to meet you all!

>

> Here is a reference for andragogy:

>

> "In practical terms, andragogy means that instruction for adults needs



> to

> focus more on the process and less on the content being taught. 

> Strategies

> such as case studies, role playing, simulations, and self-evaluation 

> are

> most useful. Instructors adopt a role of facilitator or resource 

> rather than

> lecturer or grader." - taken from 

> http://tip.psychology.org/knowles.html

>

> I would argue, though, if you want to wordsmyth, that pedagogy can be

> synonymous with andragogy. At least it is in Quebec, where I work. The

> Quebec education program is now much more based in process rather than

> content and students (and teachers!) are being encouraged and trained 

> to

> look at how they learn in order to facilitate the learning of content.

> Students are also being assessed on the 'how' as well as the 'what'. 

> Most

> learning is becoming project-based so that learners are working in

> 'real-life' scenarios and there is a large self-evaluation component

as

> well. In fact, in elementary school most parent-teacher interviews

have

> become student-led conferences.

>

> I know that these kinds of reforms are happening in Ontario as well, 

> and I

> am sure that this is going on elsewhere too. I am just not aware of

it.

>

> So, from my perspective, good pedagogy is learner-centered and focuses



> on

> process and therefore not different from andragogy.

>

> Tracy Rosen

>

>

>

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: Woods <woodsnh at isp.com>

> Reply-To: The Focus on Basics Discussion List <focusonbasics at nifl.gov>

> To: The Focus on Basics Discussion List <focusonbasics at nifl.gov>

> Subject: [FocusOnBasics 404] Re: individualized workbook approach

> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:26:41 -0400

>

> OK. You got me. What is the difference between pedagogy and andragogy?



> I

> was trained in K-12, but somehow ended up with a adults who are my

> students. I don't think I ever heard the term andragogy in my

training,

> nor in my practice.

> Tom Woods

> Community High School of Vermont

>

> khinson71 at cox.net wrote:

>

> Sometimes, the adult education instructor has no background and little

> knowledge or understanding of the differences between pedagogy and 

> andragogy

> when it comes to the adult classroom;

>

>

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