[NIFL-FOBASICS:1449] Re: GED passage doesn't prepare students

From: Silja Kallenbach (silja_kallenbach@worlded.org)
Date: Fri Aug 12 2005 - 11:51:49 EDT


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Because it's possible to pass the GED without knowing algebra or how to
write a college paper, etc. is exactly why we need to have free college
prep programs that both motivate and prepare GED recipients and others
to not just enter college but to do well and complete their studies. 
With open admissions in many community colleges it's easy to get
students in the door, and count them as positive outcomes for NRS, but
the question is, are they prepared for the academic requirements of
college or know how to navigate the system, advocate for themselves, in
order to persist and achieve their academic goals.

One interesting figure from Adelman's research is that students who
have to take more than one year of remedial reading have less than 5%
college persistence/completion rate in two-year colleges.  That means
95% drop out. Even if you account for transfers and stop outs that's a
staggering figure and suggest that our field can do much better in
teaching reading strategies for college, among other thing. 
Silja

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>>> shellcraig@ix.netcom.com 08/11 6:21 PM >>>
Because of their eagerness to receive their GED,  many of my students
pass
the GED with just a 450 average. I would say that this isn't a likely
indicator of success in other learning endeavors. If you correlate
this
barely passing score with say CASAs scores for the same students in
math
and reading, they are reading and doing math at a 6th grade
level.Similarly, what passes in a GED essay would not pass in English
1A. 
Is this college preparation? These students would not receive decent
scores
on SATs or ACTs neccesary to enroll in  a four year college. Even at a
two
year college they will probably score into the lowest remedial courses.
The
GED test is not college preparation in my opinion. 

I would say that if the researchers checked the passage scores of GED
students who went on to college, the more successful students would be
those who scored at 600 or higher. I would like to see some kind of
study
that would look merely at whether a student passed the test, but at
how
they passed it.

Michele Craig
Woodland Adult School



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