SUNUNU FLOOR STATEMENT REGARDING HABEAS CORPUS
Madam President, I rise to speak for a few minutes on the topic
that was being covered by Senators Specter, Graham, Lieberman, and
others, and that is the right of detainees -- in particular, detainees
at Guantanamo Bay -- to petition the court system through what we
refer to as habeas corpus and question the specific details that
have led to their confinement, to their definition or status as
an enemy combatant.
This is an important issue. Naturally people get excited when they
are debating this issue. Senator Graham is no exception. But one
thing that he mentioned I think must be addressed, and that is this
is about letting people out of jail, letting people go free who
might attack the United States at a later date. I feel very strongly
that this isn't about letting people out of jail, and it isn't even
necessarily about letting people object to the conditions of their
confinement, because I believe Congress can and should address the
habeas issue without necessarily allowing any frivolous petition
regarding conditions to go forward. But it is about the rights of
these individuals to question the determination that they are an
enemy combatant.
The U.S. military or other forces operating on behalf of our coalitions
overseas have captured and detained individuals and determined that
they are enemy combatants and, therefore, they can be detained indefinitely
on the basis of that determination.
The situations that arose in previous conflicts were also brought
up. What about similar situations in the Second World War, the First
World War, or other engagements of the U.S. military in our past?
I rise today, most importantly, to emphasize that there is a significant
difference between this war and those conflicts. There are differences
in some very important ways that make this right or this ability
to petition against your definition as an enemy combatant very important.
First, this is not a war where we have troops lined up or engaged
on a battlefield in uniform. These are very different combatants,
very different enemies we face, by that definition, not always easily
recognized and sometimes incredibly difficult to recognize those
who are planning to kill U.S. citizens or our allies around the
world. They are not on a specific battlefield and certainly not
in uniform.
Second, these enemy combatants -- and there are many thousands
of enemy combatants the United States faces around the world --
could be almost anywhere in the world. It makes this very different
than past conflicts. They could be here in the United States, they
could be in Pakistan, they could be in Somalia, they could be in
Kenya, they could be in Germany, they could be in Spain, or they
could be in the United Kingdom. As a result, we could have an individual
in any one of these countries captured, detained, and placed into
our incarceration in Guantanamo Bay or another facility and designate
them as an enemy combatant.
That is highly unusual when compared to past conflicts or past
battles and, I think, as a result could naturally cause significant
problems in relations with other military organizations that are
supporting our efforts, other countries' diplomatic affairs, all
of which are important to our success in this effort.
So because these are individuals who could be captured and detained
from anywhere around the world, we have to take extra consideration
to make sure they are dealt with in a straightforward way that respects
principles of due process.
Third, a third important distinction in this conflict is because
of the nature of the conflict, these individuals could be held indefinitely
without any clear prospect of being released through the processes
that would often bring a conclusion to hostilities, negotiation,
a cease-fire, or surrender. We all recognize this conflict is very
different in that regard. When constituents back home in New Hampshire
ask me, When is this struggle against terrorism going to end? You
certainly can't give a definitive answer in terms of time, but you
also are very hard pressed to give a definitive answer in terms
of specific objectives -- when we capture this individual, when
we destroy this organization, when we bring stability to this part
of the world that is traditionally encouraged or fermented jihadists.
So we have for these individuals -- many of whom are evil individuals
who have plotted and planned against the United States and our allies
around the world -indeterminate, unlimited detention at the hands
of the United States.
Given those differences that set this conflict apart from past
military conflicts in our history, I think it is in keeping with
our standards of due process to ensure that when someone finds themselves
indefinitely held by the United States in this conflict, they can
at a minimum petition, object to their status or the determination
of their status as an enemy combatant, and at least argue on appeal
the facts of the case, make an argument as to why they should not
be classified as an enemy combatant.
Senator Specter and others made the argument when we were considering
the Detainee Treatment Act that this ought to be done in the D.C.
Circuit Court of Appeals. I think the exact time, place, and manner
of this appeal can and should be determined by an act of Congress.
But I think what is most important is that we not simply say because
commanders on the battlefield decided -- when I use the word "battlefield,"
I mean in this modern sense -- commanders somewhere in the field,
somewhere around the world, after you were arrested or detained
or captured, decided you were an enemy combatant, that we are going
to let that determination stand without appeal, without objection,
without petition.
At the very least, again, it is consistent with the principles
of due process that are so important to this country that we give
that detainee at least one opportunity to object in a court to the
specifics that led to him being determined an enemy combatant.
This is an important issue, but I think it is not just important
because it affects our security, which we all want to protect to
the greatest extent possible, but because it speaks to our own citizens
and it speaks to people around the world as to what kind of a society
we are and what principles we hold to be dearest.
This is an issue that deserves thorough debate in the Senate. I
look forward to hearing more from both sides and working with Senator
Specter to try to move forward a process that addresses these concerns,
that doesn't necessarily have to grant all rights and all privileges
accorded to every U.S. citizen to those who are determined to be
enemy combatants, but at least gives them the fundamental right
to challenge that determination which could and, in many cases,
should lead to their indefinite incarceration at Guantanamo Bay.
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