Legislator eyes increased fines after 2nd elk 'shootout' near Townsend

2014-12-03T15:30:00Z 2014-12-03T18:00:17Z Legislator eyes increased fines after 2nd elk 'shootout' near TownsendTOM KUGLIN tom.kuglin@helenair.com missoulian.com
December 03, 2014 3:30 pm  • 

HELENA – Coming on the heels of reports that hunters near Townsend allegedly used vehicles to surround elk near public roads on Thanksgiving Day, area outfitter and Republican state Rep. Kelly Flynn said he is considering legislation to increase fines for several hunting violations.

Near the intersection of Sandhill Lane and U.S. Highway 12 a little more than three miles east of Townsend, a herd of 200 to 250 elk made their way onto ground open to public hunting. The elk were highly visible and some of those in pursuit allegedly used vehicles to surround the herd and shot from the road.

“It was another big gathering of elk and another big gathering of people,” said Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Warden Sgt. Dave Loewen. “There were definitely some elk shot and a couple wounded.”

A warden was not in the area, and the Broadwater County Sheriff’s Office responded to calls, Loewen said.

Broadwater Country Sheriff Brenda Ludwig confirmed that deputies responded, but said everything gathered at the scene was turned over to local Warden Justin Feddes.

An investigation took place, but did not reveal any more violations and no citations were issued, Feddes said when reached on Wednesday.

The Thanksgiving Day incident came after hunters converged on a herd of 500 elk near White Gulch, north of Townsend, on opening weekend, killing about 30 and wounding several others. Similar reports of vehicles being used to block elk from leaving were reported, and Feddes said wardens issued numerous verbal warnings.

Three trespassing citations were issued near White Gulch during opening weekend.

“This one was a little more orderly, but they did harvest an awful lot of elk along public roads and highways and it was so visible to people,” Flynn said of the Thanksgiving incident. “I don’t think there was near the issue there was in White Gulch, but it was a situation where the elk were compressed and out of their element in the low country.”

Flynn did not witness the hunt firsthand, but had talked to several people who did, he said.

Flynn, who will chair the House Fish, Wildlife and Parks Committee in the next session, added he’s considering introducing legislation to increase fines for several hunting violations with the hope that bigger fines could dissuade some of the unethical behavior.

“Things like shooting from public roads, shooting from vehicles, not wearing hunter orange, they’re really not that difficult to follow and are some of the things we see in these shootouts,” he said. “Maybe we need to try a stronger fine and that will deter some of those people.”

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  1. nobullgirl
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    nobullgirl - 18 hours ago
    I agree with Loggerman. Give extremely high fines, take their rifles away and never allow them to hunt again in this state. Those who report this behavior should take license plates next time. The state should auction off confiscated rifles and use the money to pay high dollar rewards to people who report this type of crime (when it leads to a conviction).
  2. raptor53
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    raptor53 - December 04, 2014 2:06 pm
    it's a mighty fine line between where real hunting starts and deviates from simply shooting and killing. if hunters care about the tradition then they best consider their own personal ethics and the possible disfavor others may have when judging their actions . media publicized acts such as this is still another black eye for all who care to hunt and only serve to change some more non-hunters into anti-hunters.
  3. speedbow20
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    speedbow20 - December 04, 2014 1:38 pm
    Mybe one day I will get the chance to have a nice elk steak and a beer with God, I`ll try and put a good word in for ya.
  4. speedbow20
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    speedbow20 - December 04, 2014 1:37 pm
    You can`t eat `em if you don`t kill `em. Elk is gooood stuff lady.
  5. Roger
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    Roger - December 04, 2014 11:26 am
    Loss of habitat, not legal hunting, is the greatest threat to wildlife.

    Contrary to the claims of animal extremist groups and radicals like gadfly, hunters have been and continue to be the primary players in the effort to protect the game which they hunt. Conservation tactics such as carefully regulated hunting, habitat acquisition and species transplants contributed to bring populations back to healthy levels.

    The Pittman-Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act has provided funds for wildlife restoration, which is paid for by hunters. Sponsored by Senator Key Pittman of Nevada and Congressman A. Willis Robertson of Virginia and signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on Sept. 2, 1937, the Pittman-Robertson Act created a 10% excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. A few years later the tax became 11%.

    The tens of millions of dollars generated by Pittman-Robertson each year were mandated to go back into state and local organizations to increase game populations, expand habitat and train hunters. As the money kept piling up, a repeal bill was drawn to relieve sportsmen from the financial burden of the excise tax. However, because dramatic results could be seen nationwide, sportsmen insisted on keeping the tax in place.

  6. Gadfly
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    Gadfly - December 04, 2014 10:53 am
    Hunting is not "fair chase" in any circumstance, except when the game pulls a surprise attack and changes the equation of who is hunted. Man is using scoped powerful, far reaching rifles, ATV's, high powered binoculars and other technology to get to and find and kill the game. The targeted "game" did not ask to play the "fair chase" game and there is not an equal chance of death on both sides of the game. Hunting with rifles or arrows is inherently cruel. Archers wound rather than immediately kill about half the time leaving the animal to suffer for hours, days, weeks or months. Trappers often leave their victims in traps for 48 hours or more then brutally kill them. One side views the other as recreational opportunities, the other side views the situation as an escape from horror, death and injury, or injury, pain and death. Subsistence hunting evolved into sports hunting and killers of wildlife are called sportsmen. We are long past subsistence hunting as a defensible argument. We rather rapidly turned away from that when humans turned to agriculture and animal farming and human population exploded and continues to do so. Animal farming (AKA ranching) is also unsustainable with 7 billion people going to 10-11 billion by end of the century. Wildlife is being hit hard on multiple sides: rancher, farmer, extraction industry, development encroachments and sports killing (AKA hunting), and wildlife agencies’ killing. So, hopefully, “if it does not feel right, don’t do it” spreads to more and more of the population. Sport killing, hunting, leads to a distortion of wildlife ecology with farming of target game species and a minimization and marginalization of predators and wildlife agencies’ killing and farming for hunters. It is animal slaughter in a horrendous scale with humans killing 27 million animals daily for food, and that is not counting the sea life and hunting. Half the world’s animals have disappeared in the last 40 years.

    “Hunters”, “Sportsmen” ?? Did the hunters just want the meat or did they just like the killing or did they just enjoy being out in the wilderness ? How many Elmer Fudd Nimrods does it take to kill an elk? Are they conservationists? Are they sportsmen? Was it fair chase? Was it stand your ground? Did they do it just so the elk would not have to suffer the winter or starve? Did they do it to spare the elk from “predators”? There must be a sportsmen explanation (rationalization)?

    Teton Park hunt: Hunters in Grand Tetons drove herd elk off of no shoot zone onto legal shooting zone and drove them toward waiting hunters, shooting from a road (illegal) firing more than one shot at elk (illegal in the Park), also shooting at a moving herd (illegal). Hunters involved were 30 and 25 shots at least were fired and 8-10 dead elk the result.
    http://exposingthebiggame.wordpress.com/2014/11/21/onlookers-dismayed-by-elk-herding-hunters/

    “Fair Chase
    “If the purpose of hunting is only to kill an
    animal, then the process is moot; we contain the
    technological ability to kill all animals.”
    –Allen Morris Jones
    The phrase “fair chase” has a very specific meaning in the hunting world. The Boone and Crockett Club defines it as “the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big-game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.” This means fair-chase hunters pursue their quarry on foot; hone their skills so they make quick, clean kills; and obey the law.”
  7. Florence gal
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    Florence gal - December 04, 2014 9:16 am
    This appalling massacre shows that this nonsense of "fair chase" does not exist in this state. What is "fair" about killing unsuspecting and defenseless, unarmed wildlife? The ongoing wolf massacre, now the elk mass shooting, killing of of tens of thousands animals in traps in the most brutal ways, including beating them to death, drowning or suffocating helpless animals in pain, are parts of a wildlife conservation system that needs to be overturned and is ripe for change from lethal conservation to nonlethal preservation.
  8. BWO
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    BWO - December 04, 2014 8:07 am
    We need to re-examine hunting and gun culture or hunting will become a thing of the past. Start by boycotting the awful hunting shows on television...they glorify killing the biggest animal and make a contest of hunting. Bring back tradition or they'll be no hunting in a few years.
  9. walter12
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    walter12 - December 04, 2014 6:29 am
    There are people in our state who love to kill innocent animals, and not in a true hunting fashion. These big, brave men and even a few women, need to have someone shoot back. Then they would behave quite differently.
  10. Miss Perfect
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    Miss Perfect - December 04, 2014 2:05 am
    This killing of distressed mammals should never be confused with hunting or "Harvesting" as some pathetic slobs call it.

    This is no different than shooting your neighbors horse, drowning a cat or beating the chickens to death.

    Prove me wrong. Then justify it to your God.
  11. Chuck Feney
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    Chuck Feney - December 03, 2014 11:13 pm
    OUTFITTER Kelly Flynn
    http://www.flynnhideaway.com/index.php?id=32
    is angry that his pet elk herd that he keeps up in Hidden Hollow for his Dude clients left the hollow up Confederate gulch and came out in the flats where the unwashed peasants could get a crack at one of the king's elk!
    The bottom line is no citations were written, so this is anecdotal whining from a disgruntled outfitter who who be able to sell the elk that got harvested by the Montanans....as God intended!
  12. Tim Huffman
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    Tim Huffman - December 03, 2014 10:16 pm
    Big difference between rights and ethics. Knowing that difference separates Montana from the states where you can hunt animals trained to feeders, or confined in pens. As long as the Supreme Court doesn't force us to take hunting down the same low road as our elections, we should continue to hold ourselves to a higher standard.
  13. Loggerman
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    Loggerman - December 03, 2014 6:28 pm
    People who display this type of unethical, unsportsmanlike, behavior should be fined heavily, and never allowed to hunt again. Period.
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