Greg Abbott Leads Texas into Immigration Lawsuit Fight With Feds

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Just over a week ago, on November 24, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said the "odds were in favor" of the state suing the federal government to stop President Obama's executive action on immigration. Wednesday afternoon, the governor-elect cashed that bet, announcing that he'd been joined by 16 other states in filing a lawsuit in U.S. District Court.

"The president's job is to enforce the law, not to make them," Abbott said.

Allowing certain undocumented persons who've been in the United States for more than five years to work and live in the country without the threat of deportation would cause irreparable damage to Texas, Abbott says. The state has already incurred tremendous costs from DACA, President Obama's program that allows individuals who were brought to the United States illegally as children to stay in the country, so it has unique standing to challenge the executive action.

See also: Texas Likely to Sue Obama Over Immigration

The states are not seeking monetary damages, only a declaratory judgement that the president's action is unconstitutional and cannot be enforced.

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roo_ster
roo_ster

Good for Abbott.


Saw video the other day of BHO claiming to have "changed the law," using those words.  He'd best STFU about it before he digs himself so deep not even a lefty activist judge will be able to dig him out.

thedallaseye
thedallaseye

Geez ... you'd think Texas wouldn't want to cripple Texas by making this asswipe Governor. Guess I was wrong.

MikeWestEast
MikeWestEast

Decision not to deport is within prosecutor's discretion.  You simply get moved to bottom of list.  Though people dislike it, they cannot micromanage the police from outside the executive branch.


That change does not do anything to legal status or to be recognized as a functioning part of the state they reside. They are still non-persons except when they break the law. A new executive arrives and simply moves those people to the top of the list. 


If any other status gets awarded, then the states have a right to complain.

c.levin
c.levin

Greg needs to check his wife's background and deport her, her dad, her grand-dad and her illegal grand-grandmother.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

I am extremely proud of our Attorney General and Governor-Elect.  He is not only defending Texas and 17 other states, but he is fighting a Socialist-Marxist-Fascist President to preserve federalism.


What Obama has done is unprecedented in American history.  Even HE knows it was way over the line, because he won't defend it with specifics about why he thinks he is acting legally.  


I cannot wait for this case to reach the Supreme Court, and for the justices to slap Obama and Holder down and instantly negate ANY presidential order that is repugnant to our constitution or so over-reaching that it is anarchy. 


Again, I do not believe Obama is a loyal American citizen, but is an African Muslim - whether in heart and mentality or documented - who is ashamed, of and angry, at America.  And, he has successfully done his best to reduce our reputation around the world, kill American exceptionalism, 


But, he has also succeeded in bankrupting our country.  He has increased the national debt by over 70%, our business picture rivals the lead up to the Great Depression, we have a higher percentage of Americans not working or looking for work, and he (Obama) has squandered a king's ransom by giving money to his friends and contributors, and using government to go after those who disagree with him.  Mayor Daly would be proud.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@thedallaseye

"cripple Texas"??

if not intentional, an unfortunate choice of words.

if intentional, a poor choice period.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@MikeWestEast Though people dislike it, they cannot micromanage the police from outside the executive branch.


This isn't "micromanagement".  This is a sweeping general policy, which is absolutely within the bailiwick of Congressional review.


We're not talking about Juan Doe, in a specific extenuating case.  We are talking about INS policy.

CitzenKim
CitzenKim

@noblefurrtexas "Again, I do not believe Obama is a loyal American citizen, but is an African Muslim..."


Some men you just can't reach...

jbirch
jbirch

@noblefurrtexas The conservatives' demonization of Obama has allowed racists to crawl out from under their rocks.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

he is fighting a Socialist-Marxist-Fascist President to preserve federalism.

bwahahaha. that is really a funny line, using obvious contradiction as humor.

wait, you do know that the phrase "Socialist-Marxist-Fascist" is a contradiction, don't you? Sure you do, no one with any intelligence could think they are aligned....

I do not believe Obama is a loyal American citizen, but is an African Muslim - whether in heart and mentality or documented - who is ashamed, of and angry, at America

ha ha ha, there you go agian with the humor, this time using absurdity as the vehicle!

you are making me laugh, more than even Bizarro did this morning when I read the comics.

c.levin
c.levin

@noblefurrtexas I am not so proud the great state of Texas bred lunatics like you and Greg Abbot.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@CitzenKim @noblefurrtexas Sexism?  Isn't that a little below you - not much, but some?

I think it's true that men have higher standards for a great many things than women.  I think men also have stronger skepticism filters in politics than women.

Where Obama is concerned, I'm probably unreachable.  I've studied him for several years, and I don't trust anything he says or claims about his background.

Just one example:  Obama claimed quite often that he was a Constitutional Law Professor.  Of course, that was not true.  He was a mere lecturer who simply read notes written for him by others.  He wouldn't answer questions, would talk to student after class, and wouldn't keep office hours.

And, that explains why, on the campaign trail, he proved he coudn't tell the difference between the language of our constitution, and the Declaration of Independence.



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter
noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@jbirch @noblefurrtexas Maybe you're right.  I don't run around peeking under rocks.  But, I DO know that the objections to Obama have nothing to do with race, and that old canard is a useless as a scorecard when Obama's playing golf.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas 

Tell that to Hitler and Goebbels who made Nationalist Socialism -- mixed in with Fascism - as a means of control and nationalism in WWII Germany. 

Marxism, Socialism, and Fascism are on the Left and Far Left of the political spectrum.  They all seek to have unlimited government as an answer to everything, and total control over their citizens/inhabitants.

Obama was raised by Communists.  His mother, while  a total hater of America, gave Obama to her parents to raise.  They were both Communists.  His first mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist. And, Obama hung out with the radical Left students and professors in school and college.

Obama's second mentor was Saul Alinsky, a Communinist.  And his third, Bill Ayers, is a Marxist who was also a radical Left anarchist of sorts.  

As Wordsworth so aptly put it, "The child is father of the man." 

 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@c.levin @noblefurrtexas Thank you.  I hope you get over it. Texas and Republicans won the last election; Democrats and Obama lost. 


Nobody likes a bad loser.  :)

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@ozma207  The Furr left out Mau-Mau terrorist, Muslim, Emperor, Atheist, The Anti-Christ, Kenyan, the first gay president, the food stamp president, anti-American, a gangster, war-mongerer, and appeaser.  Maybe Furr is finally warming up to Obama.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas It's unfortunate that they're all quite true and accurate. 


I've seen on list that has 150 complaints about Obama, and all have been fact checked.  But, I try to practice restraint. :)

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@thedallaseye @everlastingphelps Let's see:  Law Degree with excellent grades at Vanderbilt Law School.  He has been a very successful Attorney General for Texas since 2002, and has won over half of his lawsuits against the Obama Administration. 


He is extremely bright, and is certainly credited with turning a personal tragedy into an example of extraordinary courage and determination. 


He also doesn't have to use gutter words like you learned in the trailer park. I also presume that's where your parent must have taught you class by making fun of people who are handicapped - and especially those who have successfully overcome their disabilities, as Abbott has. 


You are not worth to assess his intellect, much less anything else about him.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@thedallaseye @everlastingphelps You're a bloody genius.  Abbott's incompetence must be why Abbott has sued the federal government and Obama several times, and won over HALF of the cases. 


His stupidity must also be the reason 17 other states supported his leading the charge and the lawsuits to challenge Obama's violations of the Constitution a document he neither respects nor understands.


Abbott's a helluva lot smarter than Obama; not that that's a very high bar.  But, he's also sharper than Eric Holder.  (He's the bloody genius who kidnapped a little boy from his family and shipped the kid to fellow-Communist, Fidel Castro.)


Oh, and Holder's law firm has defended more Islamic terrorists than any other in the country.  I couldn't be happier that the racist is leaving our justice department.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@thedallaseye @everlastingphelps Bullshit.  "Cripple" was a wheelchair slam, and we all know it.


Liberals like to talk about how noble they are, but let them see a handicapped Republican, and the cripple jokes start flying.  Let them see a black Republican and the racism flows like a river.  Let them see a woman Republican and the sexism comes hard.


People like you are disgusting.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

I think it's true that men have higher standards for a great many things than women. I think men also have stronger skepticism filters in politics than women.


and that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of sexism.

well done! couldn't possibly come up with a better illustration of the mindset....

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

"Marxism, Socialism and Fascism are on the Left and Far Left of the political spectrum. They all seek to have unlimited government as an answer to everything, and total control over their citizens/inhabitants"

where to start...

one, communism is the rule of the people with an eventual absence/elimination of the State.

two, Fascism is a right wing movement that opposes Socialism/Marxism. It is nationalistic in its roots.

three, you need to read political theory, you don't know much about it.

Obama was raised by Communists. His mother, while a total hater of America, gave Obama to her parents to raise. They were both Communists

His grandfather was a WW2 vet who worked in retail, his grandmother was a banker. Quite the "communists" there.....

really, why do you pull crap out of your ass and slander people who you do not know, have never met, and are not here now to defend themselves?

you are disgusting.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @c.levin When these current kooky Texas republicans win elections, we all lose.  You cant possibly think that Gregg Abbott is good for Texas

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin @ozma207 @noblefurrtexas How does it feel to be so wrong? 


It's true that I'm not very politically correct, and see no reason to be.  The only people I "hate" are radical Muslims seeking to take over the world at the extraordinary expense of the U.S., European nations, Israel, and new targets around the world. 


I don't "hate" Mexicans.  I do, however, loathe illegals who are sucking our safety nets for Americans dry, and who cost us a bloody fortune. And, your boy in the White House has only made that much worse. 


Got it now?

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 "But, he has also succeeded in bankrupting our country."


False. Not only is the United States not bankrupt, it's not even possible for a nation-state with debt denominated in its own currency to become bankrupt.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas such a great guy, that after he got his large settlement, he passed laws that restrict the amount of damages that can be awarded.  

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@everlastingphelps @thedallaseye

Actually, Liberals are specific about their lack of morality, which should not be held against them in public life.  Only the Republicans, who espouse personal behavior and morality (with a bit of Bible thumping), can be held to account within those redoubts. 

President Clinton was a good example of that.  He championed sexual harassment in the workplace by employers but when confronted with multiple bimbo eruptions the press, and ultimately the Senate, felt it did not . . . rise.

For Democrats in general, it is not how they personally comport themselves that matters, it only counts in the manner in which they publicly position themselves.

Barney Frank could operate a whore house out of his apartment but he was good on gay rights.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas Thank you.  As you might imagine, I'm not into the fraud of "gender neutrality"  Further, I think that anyone who fails to recognize important differences between men and women is either an idiot, a liar, or a hermit. 

I won't even bother to prove the point.  Either one is honest and aware  of the differences recognized for thousands of yeor years, or one is willing to sacrifice intellectual principles and the deny the blatantly obvious . 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas Communism is also an economic system. 


But, I'm curious; can you name all of the countries under Communism where the leaders stepped down, and turned over the government to the people?  Hint:  It's a really short list. 


Obama's grandfather may have fought in WWII, but he and his wife were members of a Communist group posing as a church.  And, they were the ones who introduced Obama to Frank Marshall Davis, also a Communist. 



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin @noblefurrtexas @c.levin Let me guess...you were for the lying little sl_t, Wendy Davis, who had more versions of her story than Hans Christian Anderson, and more conflicts of interest than Lyndon Johnson could have dreamed of. 


But, don't worry; she'll sleep her way into the White House and the DNC....since she's been roundly rejected by intelligent Texans.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas I responded to this on another thread.  I don't know where you studied national accounting, but you should get your money back.  Look who we owe money to!


We no longer have a large percentage of the population holding government bonds, and most successful business people would tell you investing in Obama's America would be about as bad as his scams like Solyndra.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas I'm sorry, but that's simply incorrect.  We're OVER $18 Trillion in debt, and the smoke and mirrors pretending our economy is much better are B.S. 

We have over half -- OVER HALF -- of our population on some kind of welfare, and that doesn't include Social Security or Medicare.  Almost half of Americans are on food stamps, and if you include families instead of individuals, it's over half. 


In the 1950s and early '60s, the United States "owned" the distribution of over half of the planet's products and services. 


I had a professor in graduate school who claimed the National Debt didn't matter, because we owed it to ourselves.  Of course, that wasn't correct.  But, liberals seem to have blinders on with respect to national accounting. 


Any time we are spending more than we take it, and any time we are increasing debt to nations like China, we're in bad territory. 


Democrats have had to redefine "unemployment", GDP, and measures for bank health in order not to look incompetent.  Of course, the White House redefines almost everything. 


We are standing at the precipice of a huge economic collapse, and now we have unchecked enemies who could kill our power grid, and kill the country. 


I don't find any of this to be good news, but it's certainly terrible news for those who can add and know something about history.

Catbird
Catbird

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas  sovereign debt is secured by the land and the people of the nation-state that issues it. the only problem for the creditor(s) is how to collect after a default. 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@everlastingphelps @thedallaseye


The Left also believes the President can make law by Executive Order and with his agencies and not worry about setting a precedent for Republican Presidents since their reverence for the Rule of Law prohibits such action.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @mavdog

no reason to thank me, for it was a criticism not a compliment.

the issue is not that people have "important differences", it is that to make gross stereotypes and blanket assumptions about a person based on their gender is not only ignorant it is insulting.

what is "blatantly obvious" is that you see people through a set of lenses that are of your own making and do not reflect the individual.

people are individuals who have their own characteristics, not some perceived traits based on if they are male or female, or from whatever geography or whatever ethnicity their parents are.

from your comments this fact escapes you.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

Communism is also an economic system.

wow, what a revelation...

can you name all of the countries under Communism where the leaders stepped down, and turned over the government to the people? Hint: It's a really short list.

can you name all the true "communist" countries that have existed? hint: it's a short list.

Obama's grandfather may have fought in WWII, but he and his wife were members of a Communist group posing as a church.

"Communist group posing as a church". odd, but aren't many of Jesus teachings "communist" in the message? two, were you at any of these church meetings? do you have anything from the church that denotes it was "communist"? you don't? thought so.

they were the ones who introduced Obama to Frank Marshall Davis, also a Communist.

Frank Davis was not a communist, he was a fighter for racial equality. none of his writings (he was a writer, did you know that?) were exposing communist ideology. why do you label him a communist, because one of your "friends" told you he was?

Noble4rudskiB.ho
Noble4rudskiB.ho

@noblefurrtexas You do know that 80 percent of your crap go against any christian beliefs you claim to believe in.


Just your last comment that is ultra judgmental about a lady you have never met and never will.  That is called judgmental.   And to insinuate that those who voted for her are less than intelligent....judgmental. 


So let me ask you a serious question.   When you spank your monkey, if you are still able, do you think about getting plowed in your butthole by some huge black guy while eating your Uncle EverlastingPhelps butt, or is it strictly about the farm animals that you have diddled with your entire life.  While I use to believe there is someone out there for everyone, I can't imagine anyone vile enough to want to spend more than 5 minutes with you.  A step below scum and the most blatant hypocrite ever to type. 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin @noblefurrtexas @ozma207 You apparently missed colloquialism in school.  It's a Southern expression having NOTHING to do with race.  It's what many people call their politicians who are beholding to them.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas PPP?  Really, we trot out new acronym that has never been used when talking about economic power.  If we use the standard we've been which is GDP and GNP, we still have them by over $7 Billion.  

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

most successful business people would tell you investing in Obama's America would be about as bad as his scams like Solyndra.

let's see, looking over financial news this morning...

US Treasury Bonds strengthen as investors invest in "ultrasafe" securities  of US debt...

Dollar increases in value against other curriencies, hit highs in trading

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 "I had a professor in graduate school who claimed the National Debt didn't matter, because we owed it to ourselves."


That professor was correct. Despite the constant drumbeat by everyone about China, most of the securities issued by the government of the United States are held by Americans or U.S.-based entities. Less than half of them are held by foreign individuals and entities and it's only the majority of that group that is Chinese.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

We have over half -- OVER HALF -- of our population on some kind of welfare, and that doesn't include Social Security or Medicare.

Wrong. Not including social security or Medicare/Medicaid, approximately 35% of the total US population receive benefits, or "welfare" as you label it.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/14/indicators/rpt_indicators.pdf

Almost half of Americans are on food stamps, and if you include families instead of individuals, it's over half.

wow, you really need to stop pulling crap out of your ass and acting as if it is truth.you are completely wrong again.

46 Million Americans are on SNAP, or a little over 14% of the population.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/food-stamps-starting-to-fall-1409606700

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas Not taking noble's side here, I agree with you in general, it's the specificity I raise an eyebrow at.  Noble is not alone in looking at the world through colored lenses.

How have the liberals, without naming names, on this board made gross stereotypes and blanket assumptions?  Gun owners, conservatives, libertarians (which few people, even many claiming to be libertarian, really understand), suburbanites, rednecks, 'old, white, men', etc etc.  If the progressives (or liberals, or left, or whatever they're labeling themselves these days) want to be taken seriously on this topic of  'x'-isms, they need to toe the line themselves.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@Noble4rudskiB.ho @noblefurrtexas You're sick. It's really that simple.


Does your juvenile probation officer know you're using her computer while she replaces the batteries in your ankle monitor? 


And, I HAVE met Wendy Davis; TWICE; once in Dallas, once in Ft. Worth.  Both were underwhelming.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas I read in a financial publication several days ago that America's economic picture paralleled the picture right before the Great Depression and the accompanying market crash. 


Look at how much debt Americans have BEFORE their portion of the national debt, and it should give you nightmares.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas From a strategic standpoint, I believe it does not make good sense to be borrowing from China.


The Founders had a number of concerns about what might happen to the United States in the future.  One of those was getting too far in debt, and leveraging our property and our wealth to a strategic enemy. 


Sure enough, thanks to Obama, China's economy has now passed our own.  Not since U.S. Grant has America not come in first in terms of the economy. 


This is disturbing not just because it creates strategic problems, PR problems, and interest problems, but it strikes a the heart of American exceptionalism.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas 

"The new report shows that 50.2 percent of US households receiving food stamps since 2009 are made up of adults between the ages of 18 and 59 (or nonelderly, working-age adults). In 1998, the portion of such households getting food stamps was 44 percent, according to the report."

You're right in that I misquoted the statistic.  However, because SNAP is in the name of a single person, and not families, the statistic is much larger than individual receiving SNAP benefits.

The number of families receiving SNAP (and other food stamp benefits) has dramatically increased under Obama, earning him the nickname "The Foodstamp President".  And, if you remove the illegals and suspected fraudulent users, the percentage of people in American families receiving food stamps goes up. 

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/0127/Who-gets-food-stamps-More-are-college-grads-half-are-working-age.-video

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas are you too stupid to realize that we began selling bonds to China and they began to stockpile oil back during GWBs time?  This isnt an Obama problem, it a government problem that started long ago, but you are to dense and stupid to understand how these things work

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

You're right in that I misquoted the statistic.

"misquoted"??? you were completely wrong.

because SNAP is in the name of a single person, and not families, the statistic is much larger than individual receiving SNAP benefits.

this is a ridiculous, absurd comment.


The number of families receiving SNAP (and other food stamp benefits) has dramatically increased under Obama

It has increased for years, even before Obama's term, and is reflecting the increase in lower income earners. This trend has been ongoing for 3 decades.

if you remove the illegals and suspected fraudulent users, the percentage of people in American families receiving food stamps goes up

wrong. illegal immigrants are not eligible for SNAP, and audits have shown the level of fraud to be very low.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas So, now you're claiming that food stamps are in the name of a family instead of an individual? 


I guess you'd know more about that than I do. 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

Never claimed that. Reading comprehension not your strength eh?

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