Is Suboxone a Wonder Drug that Helps Heroin Addicts Get Clean--Or Just Another Way to Stay High?

I do heroin I also work and rise two kids. I have a habit of our gram aday that's 10 to 12 papers or bags. This Is more than anyone I know. This is my last day. I took last shot at 10.my hour b30am Tues. I see doctor in morning at 11.30 am I will be sick as hell. I am going on suboxon let's see what really happens. It's 2.00pm I am okay now. Ok went to bed woke up sick omg its bad. Crawld to car my mom drove me the 120 miles yo doc. I kept praying we would never get there. But we did and we walked into the office. He started asking me questions I have no idea what the fuck he said. Finally he called n a script. We had to go to drug store. Got the siboxon and drove back he gave me one 8mg tab. I went to lobby went to sleep. 45 Min later he woke me we went in his:: office he gave me 2 more. I still feel bad no change. Went back to lobby. Went to sleep. He woke me n a hour. Gave me one more I threw it up in trash can. But I am starting to feel better. Very little but some. I went out side threw up again. He told me to come back n his office asked me how I feel told him bad. He told ne to come back n morning. I went to motel room went to bed woke up sweating my ass off. I took like 5 showers. Woke up at 7 I was ssick but not as I was. I took a pill and ate two bits of breakfast. And then headed back to his office I took one more pill. We get to office I feel good. Then bad then good. He told me ti come back n 10 days he said take 4 a day. Ok we left drove hone I slept took one more got home feel good went to town and started feeling bad went home to bed slept. Woke up next day feel ok took pill n 47 min I was good. Took another a hour:-)later I feel good went to town had a beer I feel great took one more. Now n bed. I feel pretty good thanks Billy

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My name Douglas dashy from Oxford,UK ...HIV has been ongoing in my family for long..I lost both parents to HIV and it is so much pain have not been able to get over.As we all know medically,there is no solution or cure for HIV and the cost for Medication is very expensive..Someone introduced me to a man(Native Medical Practitional)in oxford..I showed the man all my Tests and Results and i told him have already diagnosed with HIV and have spent thousands of dollars on medication..I said i will like to try him cos someone introduced me to him..He asked me sorts of questions and i answered him correctly..To cut the story short,He gave me some medicinal soaps and some herbs(have forgot the name he called them) and he thought me how am gonna use them all..At first i was skeptical but i just gave it a try..I was on his Medication for 2 weeks and i used all the soaps and herbs according to his prescription.. that he will finish the rest himself..and i called him 3 days after, i arrived and i told him what is the next thing..he said,he has been expecting my call.. he told me to visit my doctor for another test..Honestly speaking,i never believe all he was saying until after the test when my doctor mention the statement that am, HIV negative and the doctor started asking me how do i do it....Am telling this story in case anyone may need this man his email is: dr.skhivhomefcure@gmail.com or call him now at +2348158847627

My name Douglas dashy from Oxford,UK ...HIV has been ongoing in my family for long..I lost both parents to HIV and it is so much pain have not been able to get over.As we all know medically,there is no solution or cure for HIV and the cost for Medication is very expensive..Someone introduced me to a man(Native Medical Practitional)in oxford..I showed the man all my Tests and Results and i told him have already diagnosed with HIV and have spent thousands of dollars on medication..I said i will like to try him cos someone introduced me to him..He asked me sorts of questions and i answered him correctly..To cut the story short,He gave me some medicinal soaps and some herbs(have forgot the name he called them) and he thought me how am gonna use them all..At first i was skeptical but i just gave it a try..I was on his Medication for 2 weeks and i used all the soaps and herbs according to his prescription.. that he will finish the rest himself..and i called him 3 days after, i arrived and i told him what is the next thing..he said,he has been expecting my call.. he told me to visit my doctor for another test..Honestly speaking,i never believe all he was saying until after the test when my doctor mention the statement that am, HIV negative and the doctor started asking me how do i do it....Am telling this story in case anyone may need this man his email is: dr.skhivhomefcure@gmail.com or call him now at +2348158847627

I would really like help to get of methadone. I hear that suboxone helps can someonepplease help me find a way to get them?

I really want to b get off

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Hi . I need help .. I would like to try and start use suboxone.. I want to get myself better . Where can I get them ?

When are the first signs u should take a piece of suboxin for withdraws from herion??

Spent 5k to walk into a rehab out of state.  Rehab took my money and booted me after the 1st week due to insurance not wanting to pay.  So here I was with no insurance to cover these meds, and I had to turn to the street for them.  The first drug rehab  tried me on made me have horrible hallucinations (subutex?) but the day they put me on Suboxone was the day I got my life back.  I used Suboxone for 2 weeks straight to get off the drug and now I only use 1/4 piece of strip as maintenance when I crave every so often.  While Suboxone doesn't make me high, I can't take it at night because it keeps me up all night.  This drug is a life saver for those who use it properly and who are determined to get clean.  You can get strips on the street for $10-15 each where I live and even though it isn't right to purchase the meds off the street, it's better than a $260 a day habit on Roxi ($30 street value per pill) that I had before taking Suboxone.

I almost lost everything due to my addiction but now I am proud to say that after 14 months of remaining clean and sober, I finally have money in the bank and a much better relationship with myself and family than ever before.  

I am a 40 year old female, two children, married and a grandson.

I have been on opiates since 2005. I got addicted after an epidural messed up my back and the doc prescribed me 180 Percocet. I finally got clean in 2012, COLD TURKEY may I add. But this back pain got the best of me and after being clean for a year I relapsed. I'm BiPolar I as well so I'm on Prozac, Seroquel, Ambien and opiates.... Sad, sad combination. Believe me, I tried to find a sub doc but the visits are too damned expensive. $300. True enough I spend $300+ a month on pills but not at one time..... So I attempted to wean myself off, needless to say it didn't work. My neighbor who's a heroin addict gave me an 8mg sub strip and I waited til I was in full wd to take it. I cut the strip into 3 pieces and I took my first dose on 3/21/14. And guess what? I was higher than I've ever been in my life. I guess it affects different people in different ways. Every person is not the same. Coming from a place of addiction, I can totally see this spiraling out of control. But the one difference is I feel better. I want to live and I want to be productive. Sub is a wonder drug and if used properly u can become sober. It's not for everybody.

It's good to see an article with discussion

on Soboxone. Last Feb I flew back from West to my Eastern Coast city,

and went into in detox, they suggested Soboxone. And I did go on it.

While it did help with the acute withdrawals,

Suboxone kept me hooked on opiates.

I could only get daily "carries" and the only place that

supplied Suboxone was in the west-central part of the gigantic city

I had returned to.

soon after being discharged from detox, I was alternating between

street dope (heroin, and Oxys and other pills) and Soboxone. This was because I would

miss a carry ( I was homeless at the time and would move from

shelter to shelter). So I'd lose a bus ticket, miss a carry, end up sick again and

back to the street drugs. This went on as long as I stayed on Soboxone.

Once off that Soboxone I was off the opiates!

SubSux...I have a feeling you are not a fully dependent on opiates yet! The reason i say this is because you talk about being lethargic for up to a year, i don't know any opiate dependent person that would make a statement like this! I have been opiate dependent for 20 plus years, i have tried every remedy known to man to become normal..i finally realized a long time ago that being normal was never going to be in the cards for me because of my altered brain chemistry due to abusing opiates ...i will never be able to normalize my opiate dependent brain...i have self medicated to escape the hell i lived in my whole life due to other mind disorders...when i here someone say they could soldier on for possibly a year suffering lethargic disorders." to keep a job" it tells me they have not suffered the true depth of opiate dependence! Suboxone is so much better than sticking a needle in your arm and chasing that rush that takes you to the brink of death..and if you need to eliminate your so called addiction to suboxone..then just start shooting heroin again..get your fill and start subs again and jump when the Dr says..no problem, that's if its possible for you to do? I have seen this work in short term young users that sought help while there was yet time, they had not yet become dependent to the brutal opioid drug.Suboxone saves lives and it will soon be widely excepted that it will become a life long savior for the otherwise doomed opiate dependent human brain.

I joined this site to look at others people opinion on the subject, and now that I have im sad, If you haven't been an addict and just think you are better than others than you may as well be writing letters to the makers of suboxone and stay on you guys high horse's... Im glad im clean but damn I thought better from people.. I guess I was naïve.

A lot of people abuse suboxone because they want to, and don't have the want to stop but don't want to be sick.. I was an addict for a long time and I decided to take suboxone, not from a dr but I bought ten pills and it works, When I would take it I would be energetic and functional. NOT HIGH... now most people just get bored of being sober or need a crutch. And dr want to put out as many pills as possible. I can be a oxycodone addict or heroine addict and still get over it painlessly with suboxone, but then were does that leave me? Alone and wanting to get high to get rid of the problems I had before.. ive been up and down but if people would get 20 subs and work them with a family member and slowly get back to reality it would work subs alone will not cut it and if you just want to shoot em up or snort them, then just stay an addict you have to want to stop, people on subs need a support system. People get high for a reason, whatever it may be to each there own. But with help from a friend or family member subs work but the person has to have a want to get clean.. Then again im not a great person or strong mind neither I was an addict for years before I saw my life was 6 years gone. so I miss my friend family and reality.. Subs help if you want them too its just a painless way to not be sick and get on you're feet.. other than that its on the individual.. Sorry for ranting good luck to everyone.... All I know is im smiling today and im happy.. 

Because using is using and people die from using. That's how I see it.

Look- let's get real. The recovery market is full of scam artists, from unregulated "rehabs" that are really just sober living houses to sober houses shabbily run...All the way to strip-mall "Pain Management" clinics that are run by nothing more than Federally certified drug dealers who look the other way to make a buck.

There is an alternative, for those who embrace the harm reduction method. Get with a real addiction Dr. Private practice? Frustratingly, these people aren't always known by even the best substance abuse counselors. And here's the kicker- they often charge LESS per half hour than a "mill doc". Why? I have no idea. Poor marketing, I think, and a natural fear of doctors from addicts.  But when you find a good one? He/she will insist on actual time during your appointments. Not the wait 45 minutes, get drug tested, get your script after 5 minutes with the doc regardless of results. You also won't get the ridiculous doses a scam Doc will give you.

I've seen it ALL, working with a "too young, too smart" son who wanted to get clean, yet was still gripped by the the damaged parts of his brain that rule addiction. After many attempts at clean- on his own, rehab etc- he's now 1 month shy of a year from heroin.  His current addiction doctor classified him as a "hard core addict". And still. Suboxone- never more than 8mgs, down to 2 mgs per day- has been the one thing that's tamped down his urge, kept the horses at bay and allowed him to remember who he is as he heals.

Think about it: Nicotine and opiates are about the same level of addiction. Nobody bats an eye when somebody chooses Nicorette or another med to step down and out. Why the judgement about Suboxone?

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Suboxene was a lifesaver for me. I was taking up to 120 mg a day of methadone. Was on 8mgs a day for a year and started cutting back.down to 2mgs a day and still fighting!

"I'm using drugs to get off drugs."

Just say it to yourself a couple of times. Kinda silly innit....

Drug addicts use drugs.... methadone, xanax and buprenorphine ARE drugs. 

Funny how rarely they ask people who've actually gone through it what they think...

LOOK: Heroin withdrawals are no big deal. They won't kill you.  Anyone who's been addicted for any period of time goes through withdrawals many times. Oh it's no fun, but really it's no big deal.

If you're going to prescribe drugs, they may as well be the good ones which are usually less harmful than the substitutes.

Xanax withdrawals CAN kill you, Suboxone takes longer, but methadone is BY FAR the worst. Withdrawals off methadone are NEVER ENDING. 

The truth is MOST people simply don't want to get off, or don't know how.

If you want to get off dope there's places where you can go and talk to people who have gotten off - and it doesn't cost you a thing - not a single penny.

that's what I did.

The first time I shot up was the late 1970's. I've been off 5 and 1/2 years. Had I known what my life could be, I would have done it sooner.

to the author, thank you so VERY much for writing this article.  we have a family member who is an opiate addict and using suboxone but saying he is off of the "hard stuff" which did not add up for us.  this article explains why. he has agreed to see a doctor to officially begin a suboxone program with therapy and drug testing.  we hope and pray that he is finally committed to getting clean and that suboxone treatment will put him on that  path.  would love more info on how effective the suboxone treatments are long-term.  please consider writing more articles on this topic to give loved ones an understanding of the world of those addicted to opiates.  

I have been taking suboxone for 6 months, my life is 100% better. with counseling once a week, more people need to hear the positive part of suboxone. if mehodone works for you great. after  all the point is to get sober,and drug free.

long_term-addict below makes a very good point.... level of functioning is the goal of treatment.  People on methadone do not improve their level of functioning.  People on Suboxone do.  This is a simple point of fact.  Methadone was created to prevent people from using needles and spreading HIV/AIDS.  Suboxone was created to help people truly recover...and they do!!!

I just wanted to add;

Suboxone doesn't get you "high", it's a combined agonist/antagonist (it's a partial blocker), so it even prevents you from feeling any opiates whilst on it. Methadone might make you feel a bit dopey, but it's not the same as heroin either.

Whoever you're interviewing is, if they're implying that suboxone can actually get you high, well, they're wrong. It simply doesn't work that way on the body, it can't get you truly wasted (might make you sleepy if you're on too high a dose- and 24mg is pretty standard for someone coming off 30mg of methadone btw).

As I mentioned in an earlier comment, I'm in my 40's and started using in my early 20's. I spent 12+ years on methadone while using (at one point I was on 100ml of 'done a day and using too, and I'm a 50kg woman) and it never helped me to stabilise or quit my using. 

Suboxone has been the only drug that has genuinely helped me to stop illicit drug use as it genuinely removes cravings, unlike methadone. 

In Australia suboxone is what most methadone users aim to transfer onto (got to get below 30ml) because it doesn't cause the problems methadone does. And suboxone is well known to be MUCH easier to taper off than methadone, again making it the heroin opiate replacement of choice for those who really don't want to use any more.

Please do your homework before spreading some sort of panic about one of the few really effective forms of pharacotherapy, especially implying that it's a nightmare to withdraw from when it's not if tapered off gently, like almost any medication should be.

And if someone wants to stave off withdrawals so they can function, what of it? I suppose the junkie should go through withdrawals as punishment for their addiction? If we approached prohibition with any sort of common sense these problems, such as the selling of medication on the streets, would be few and far between.

smh

Ugh, why not write an article critical of people with type 2 diabetes using insulin or people with bi polar using mood stabilisers?

I am a long term opiate addict (and happen to be bi polar II as well) and I am so sick of this attitude that the only ~true recovery~ is medication free, it smacks of 12 step programmes and shames those of us who have found that we don't do well in an unmedicated state. And for the record, I'm in my 40's, I have had plenty of experience being medication free and it isn't helpful.

Why we accept some types of medical intervention to stabilise the mind and not others is firmly rooted in the climate of the decades long (and unsuccessful) drug war. Perhaps it's time we start accepting that there will be long term addicts who will never be clean and that's ok as long as they are functioning well in society.

And I'll tell you what, I'd rather be on suboxone than methadone any day- you want to be critical of opiate replacement therapies? Maybe look outside the US approach to understand exactly how archaic your approach is.

Suboxone abuse is safer than smack.

To lamundson379:  In our location, if you qualify for Medicaid, you qualify for the drug.  Most commercial insurance plans cover the medication, especially since it is now generic.  Also, a new product, Zubsolv, is now available through a company called Orexo and they offer two weeks of free medication and then $75 off for subsequent prescriptions.  Don't lose hope.  There must be somebody there that can help you. If all else fails, she should qualify for methadone as an alternative to heroin.  Check out the programs available in your area.  Most importantly, she has to want to quit.

im reading this and im in tears because my daughter who is 20 is addicted to herion and we have everything in place for her to quit but we don't have the money for the medication . I just had 2 strokes and we are getting by on very little at this time. im only 45.  I have worked my entire life to make it on my own and for the first time I need help and that's very hard to even say. ive never asked for anything I couldn't pay for. I live in az and there isn't anything out there for people like us. ive been told sorry we cant help! because I have always worked I made just alittle more than qualifies us for any help. If I wouldn't of worked my daughter would be getting help and that stinks. im afraid shes gunna die and shes such a beautiful kid. I cry everyday and feel so helpless. id do anything to be able to get this drug!!!!for those parents out there that could help there kids i wish I was you. me and my kid will figure it out, we always have I hope somedayday soon this drug will become affordable so everyone can be saved

@billyxoc1  Have you seen this fascinating documentary on Ibogaine? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khhsboVsyrw

I recommend contacting https://crossroadsibogaine.com/  for several reasons. They are just across the border from San Diego. Here is what makes Crossroads unique:

- Dr Martin Polanco has over 14 years experience with Ibogaine treatment.

- Dr Luna is our Stanford trained cardiologist.

- State of the art medical facility adjacent to the highly reputable Hospital Angeles.

- Luxury healing sanctuary located on the beach in a secure gated community.

- Experienced staff that masterfully balances clinical professionalism with heartfelt compassionate care.

- All treatments supervised by no less than 2 licensed emergency room doctors and 2 nurses. 

- Our unique treatment protocol including 5meo-dmt. 

- Comprehensive aftercare available and 6 weeks FREE recovery coaching. 619-452-1130

@billyxoc1  Have you seen this fascinating documentary on Ibogaine? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khhsboVsyrw

I recommend contacting https://crossroadsibogaine.com/  for several reasons. They are just across the border from San Diego. Here is what makes Crossroads unique:

- Dr Martin Polanco has over 14 years experience with Ibogaine treatment.

- Dr Luna is our Stanford trained cardiologist.

- State of the art medical facility adjacent to the highly reputable Hospital Angeles.

- Luxury healing sanctuary located on the beach in a secure gated community.

- Experienced staff that masterfully balances clinical professionalism with heartfelt compassionate care.

- All treatments supervised by no less than 2 licensed emergency room doctors and 2 nurses. 

- Our unique treatment protocol including 5meo-dmt. 

- Comprehensive aftercare available and 6 weeks FREE recovery coaching. 619-452-1130

@m.ram131313  Have you seen this fascinating documentary on Ibogaine? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khhsboVsyrw

I recommend contacting https://crossroadsibogaine.com/  for several reasons. They are just across the border from San Diego. Here is what makes Crossroads unique:

- Dr Martin Polanco has over 14 years experience with Ibogaine treatment.

- Dr Luna is our Stanford trained cardiologist.

- State of the art medical facility adjacent to the highly reputable Hospital Angeles.

- Luxury healing sanctuary located on the beach in a secure gated community.

- Experienced staff that masterfully balances clinical professionalism with heartfelt compassionate care.

- All treatments supervised by no less than 2 licensed emergency room doctors and 2 nurses. 

- Our unique treatment protocol including 5meo-dmt. 

- Comprehensive aftercare available and 6 weeks FREE recovery coaching. 619-452-1130

@deafmichelle33  Doctors or off the street, watch the Doctors who want you on a maintenance program (year or years). Subs are a bitch to stop after year(s) of use but it means  a lot of money for the Doctor. Get on and off as quick as possible. If you want to really stop a short term taper will work.

@deafmichelle33  Start with lowest amount possible. Start with 1mg and wait 1 hour and take 1mg more if not feeling better, repeat if needed. stop when you feel better. that is your starting dose, stay on that for a few days and then taper weekly maybe 25%. when you get to .5mg start to skip a day. then start to skip 2 days. when you get to 4 days stop. the key is the lower you start off with the quicker the taper. nobody usually needs 8mg to get relief let alone 16mg. Subs are very powerful and have a long half life 30+ hours compared to Oxy 4-6 hrs. main key: start as low as possible and taper. you will still be uncomfortable at the end but nothing close to cold turkey. if your motivation to stop is high a short term sub taper will work. remember to make changes in your life as well. Also walking helps a lot, a trip around the block will do wonders and I think it's a requirement. 

@chrisekat85  You need to be in the withdrawal stage..i.e. sweats, chills, body aches, restless legs, etc.  If you take it too early you will precipitate withdrawal and you will think you need more Suboxone...if withdrawal gets worse with Suboxone, you took it too early.....Good luck in your recovery.....

@ShanShan  CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RECOVERY!! You have described perfectly what it is like to get your life back with Suboxone.  Please tell your friends how great this drug is for opiate addiction.  Again, kudos to you and hug that grandson of yours!!

@ShanShan  Congratulations on your recovery!!!  You have described what anyone serious about getting their life back after opiates with Suboxone is like.  Please tell your friends about the benefits of this drug.  Again, kudos to you!!  Hug your grandson!!

They help if you withdrawl from them appropriately, i.e., QUICKLY!  If you were prescribed a high amount from a doctor, and you didn't know better, staying on them far too long, then my friend, the chains of suboxone are on.  Unless people have had a similar situation, and been on them for far too long, people need to sit back and listen up.  This drug is insanely addictive, and withdrawl symptoms can last more than one year of time.  Withdrawl symtoms causing lethargy that could affect a person's ability to remain employed.

@thommyberlin1  Glad to see you put some thought into it..

@sunfla Good for you. You are the poster child for harm reduction treatment within opiate addiction. Tamp down your danger, ramp up your healing. Stay out. GO!!!

Get off them fast!  Take as low of dosage as possible and continue to taper.  If not, be prepared for a long road ahead.  If you like the effect from them, welcome to the club.  Many of us did, but it will soon be stealing your soul, and all the enjoyment of your life.  You will enter into a state of never ending apathy.   Considered yourself warned.  I know, I have been on them for more than four years.  Worse mistake of my life.

Methadone was being used long before HIV was even thought of. As far as "Not Performing " while on methadone? I went to college and became a Registered Nurse, successfully passed my state board exam and have maintained a clean record with the blessing of the State Board of Nursing.

Wrong.  But nice try.

To lamundson379;

I'm in a similar situation in Phx.

To get to the point,I have two bro's hooked on dope as well as myself. Idk how, but if I can help I would love to.

She's way too young and it's a travesty....:-(

Stay in touch

Hello ? This is Michelle . I would like To talk w a person tell me how and where can I get help ? I need help to WD the oxy . Would like try to use suboxone . I'm more of private person . Too shy be in social or anyone to know me . :)

@jonathansardinhaa Yeah... about as much as this bullshit requires lol -last night I was in a treatment facility talking to guys trying to get off the shit and in a hospital room with a friend who has been hallucinating for two days thanks to Dr.s who know NOTHING about addicts. Where were you?

@lcatsimanes@sunflatry making sense...

@dgnboy2 I am sure that methadone works very well when used correctly.  I did not mean to imply that all people on methadone could not function.  I was responding more to the negative connotations given Suboxone.  It has been my experience that often people are overmedicated with methadone.  It is difficult to overmedicate on Suboxone because of the naloxone component.  I have seen people recover on both.  Each one serves its purpose in the proper setting.  Congratulations on your recovery!!

@rudedawg im so sorry I didn't there was a reply but thank you so much. I didn't relize i signed up on this site.....shes still on dope and i would do anything if i could to help her what part of phx ?

@jonathansardinhaa @thommyberlin1 This is why they were designed.  They weren't designed to be abused or to substitute for the same affect that opiates create.  The goal is to wean off of them and to stay clean.

@thommyberlin1 @jonathansardinhaa  I was in FL.. my dr told me that subs are addicting as well so when I no longer felt sick I stopped using them. I stayed on it for two weeks and I am doing well..

@lamundson379 what is your email? i might be able to help.