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[–]Salacious- 12 points13 points  (23 children)

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What new occupations do you think will be created that don't exist at all today?

[–]dbrancaccio1[S] 13 points14 points  (22 children)

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I did a series for radio called "Robots Ate My Job," in which credible economists worry that technology is taking jobs formally done by college graduates. Many jobs, even fancy, high-level ones, that have a rote, repetitive component, can be done by technology instead. I'd want to be creating the technology for a living.

[–]Salacious- 16 points17 points  (4 children)

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Ok... that kind of answers which jobs are being taken by technological innovations. But what brand new fields are being created by new technologies? Zero gravity surgeon? Terraformer? What?

[–]wabawanga 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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He means programmer who can automate someone else's job.

[–]droivod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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IOW, programmer who can make humans obsolete. Eventually even those that are programmers

[–]cntthnko1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Lol, what he is saying is programming/engineering technology is the job of the future. (that is where expansion has been happening for a long time now and isn't going to stop anytime soon) It may not be the answer you were looking for, but it's accurate.

[–]Sandgolem 4 points5 points  (12 children)

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thats not really a valid answer, only so many people can take the job of putting other people out of jobs. Once that is full up, you just continue to have a minor middle class, working to put the rest of the working class out of business so to say, and keep the upper % of society even farther apart from everyone else. That is a horrid depressing answer.

[–]Chitowngaming 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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Yes let's be honest. While I appreciate all the work David has done we are heading for a time where there will be less and less opportunities, even for the relatively intelligent people. This diminishing return will grow in tandem with advances in medicine, bio-tech, etc. There will be a time where only the rich will have access to the promise of longevity that bio-tech offers, along with countless other merges of bio and tech that will give the powerful not only a biological advantage, but a huge leg up in intellect as well.

[–]hammernanvil 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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This seems to be the premise of that new Blomkamp movie.

[–]Chitowngaming 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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Hmm...never heard of it. What's the name of the movie?

[–]hammernanvil 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Here's the IMDB on it: Elysium

[–]Chitowngaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Thank you!

[–]luber2 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

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Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's a bad one.

Honestly, as a CS/Math major specializing in AI, I have to agree with him. At the end of the day, the human brain just isn't an ideal platform for large amounts of computation and repetitive tasks, and it isn't evolving fast enough to keep up with the changing environment. Now don't get me wrong, it's still good, but it's not designed to do a lot of the tasks that have business value in our current society and it seems to have evolved as more of a jack of all(some) trades structure, since you can't really survive if you can only do one or two(possibly non-physical) things. This being said, general structures usually don't end up being optimal in the perspective of only a few uses. Compare this to the mathematical/statistical models used in Computer Science to learn how to complete tasks. New, better, and/or specialized structures are constantly being created and unfortunately for us, it's happening much faster than a few random changes per generation. Furthermore, these can be specialized, because the environment which they reside in doesn't necessarily require a large skill set for continued existence.

Also, our brain is kind of a pain to duplicate, where as software (and more specifically and relevantly for the time being, pre-trained Machine Learning algorithms) can be easily and quickly distributed to any number of systems with a generic architecture.

So as much as I hate to say it, if we don't find and legalize a way to drastically accelerate our rate of adaptation, we're going to face those problems. (maybe try a new version or replacement of our economic system?)

[–]Sandgolem 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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I still think the answer is bullshit but to full expand, we do know some service industries are going to still most likely be able to fill demands, entertainment is always there. ie. people like Penny Arcade, Nostalgia Critic, AVGN, etc. were able to carve out media niches for themselves. Comedians are getting a more active scene with more tools then ever.

I see entertainment as another industry that will continue to supply jobs in the future.

As well as jobs in government, lawyers, congressmen, someone has got to keep taking that money to vote how those with money want you too.

if the sex industry ever becomes legal, though I imagine sex robots would be one of the first things to come out...so maybe scratch that lol.

[–]kippypapa 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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From my perch in Silicon Valley, I see a lot of this attitude - that technology can solve every problem. Most of these so-called "solutions" are incomplete in many ways and serve to enrich the few at the expense of the many. All this talk about disruption and innovation is just a smokescreen to implement these bad solutions en masse. Computers are binary, human experience is multifaceted. I don't think it's wise to think that technology should replace all facets of human interaction. I also think Brancaccio's answer is glib and reflects the views of someone who's drunk the Kool Aid. His job is not in immediate danger, and he doesn't face having to re-train. There are only so many people who can be programmers. What does everyone do?

[–]cntthnko1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Wrong, the human brain works the same way as a computer and it's actually much more powerful that a computer (it can do everything a computer can and much more), but people just don't know how to tap into that ability yet. There are those who do know, very few though. There is a book called "The Mind Accelerator," it's an interesting read. I just don't have the discipline to sincerely attempt it, but you might... good luck (its still a good read even if you dont go through with it)

[–]luber2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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While I do agree with the "incomplete solutions" statement concerning current generation systems, I do have to question your view on the abilities of technology. Currently, yes. Many are incomplete. We're working on that. Unsupervised learning is actually beginning to do quite well at fixing this from what I have heard/seen. And who knows, maybe we will find out that binary computation implemented with the classical general computing architecture won't be able to cut it performance wise. However, if this is the case, all we have to do is change the architecture and/or the physical laws that we exploit to create machines capable of computation. We already know that such a system is possible because our benchmark (humans) already exists. Furthermore, we know that parts of our brain are actually quite under-developed (there's actually a nice Ted talk that covers an example of this, specifically our reward system when dealing with monetary values under certain circumstances. I'll find and link to it in the morning if I remember). This would generally lead us to believe that it could be improved upon. This being said, the "incomplete solutions" argument will not hold up forever. And as far as the "what will people do" question, I can't help but state again that we may not be able to assume capitalism, or even production-based economies, to remain a constant. In the long-term, the answer is "whatever they want to." Look at your house cats, dogs, or whatever pets you have or know of. They live in a sub-system where all aspects of their life that pertain to survival are taken care of in a way that is much better than they could have hoped to do it themselves. The same could eventually be true with us. As for the less distant future (the one that we will actually see), certain jobs will begin to disappear (with the most systematic and least politically protected going first), those that are non-trivial or that have their worth determined based on non-production oriented criteria(the arts, entertainment, etc.) Will probably see changes that incorporate new technology that could decrease their workloads, change their required skill sets, or decrease their usefulness, then we better make major changes to the economics system. I cannot stress that enough. I have yet to find a compelling argument to state how we could keep our current system under those circumstances (if there is one, please link to it in a comment, I would greatly like to read it so that I would have a better grounding on which I could rethink this situation). Finally, i know that was pretty generalized. I don't think I have the knowledge or credentials to go much more in depth than that prediction though and I will agree with you that some more specifics would have been nice, but the general trend can be helpful nonetheless.

[–]luber2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I do have to agree with you to an extent. Jobs that require large amounts of in-person human interaction or that exist solely for the purpose of human enjoyment will probably stick around longer (the latter almost certainly will). As for government, I almost hope that they do ditch a lot of positions eventually. Not the major ones, but frankly, I don't see why a handful of algorithms couldn't eventually take over the responsibility of assigning where the money designated for "transit" should be spent, or something similar to that. Furthermore, I think some logical and prediction-based self-check systems could be really nice if implemented in congress (i.e. Law/Policy A exists, Bill B is being discussed, if Bill B is passed, then based on A, B, and other prior knowledge, we can conclude C, which does not appear to be a good thing, or given prior info predictions show that the introduction of B has a high probability of having a large negative impact on subgroup S). But hey, I'm weird like that.

Finally, aren't those just called vibrators now? even if the sex industry wouldn't be legal, it still wouldn't be human.So, under current laws, wouldn't a sexbot just be considered a toy? 18y/o and up!

[–]Sandgolem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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well colonization, might be a good place to start. Get that space program going with some good old human ingenuity and body counts. I'd love to be a pioneer on a mission to a moon base or something lol.

[–]pablothe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Isn't that the opposite of the question?

[–]rollerboogie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Exactly why I went into engineering. I think in the future engineering and entertainment will be the two biggest fields to work in.

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    [–]luber2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    In fields of active research, there's also the saying "If you don't do something and reap the benefits, someone else will." Hopefully things don't get out of hand too soon, but if there's the possibility of personal gain, someone will exploit it eventually.

    [–]Pesqueeb 11 points12 points  (6 children)

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    Hi David, First, love Market Place Morning, and thanks for doing this AMA.

    What do you think the root causes of income inequality are, should it be fixed, and can it be fixed?

    [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 12 points13 points  (5 children)

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    Thanks for listening. As you know we focus a lot on these issues of income inequality on our show. Globalization has been a large factor. The decline of labor unions is another. There's been some fascinating work documenting how risk in recent decades has shifted from private sector businesses and government onto working families. If you have the time, check out our Fixing the Future doc. It explores many different ways to think about issues such as inequality by strengthening local economies.

    [–]Pesqueeb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Thank you David, I will. I was unaware that the movie even existed until this AMA.

    [–]ta1901 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

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    What's this "decline of labor unions" you speak of? In Michigan the labor unions are still going strong, but they are less public as of late. When Delphi Automotive filed for bankruptcy, their union workers didn't leave the union. They just went to General Motors.

    When union workers are out of work, they go to the union hall and get paid from union funds.

    So what do you mean by "decline of labor unions"? A decline of membership?

    [–]gestalt162 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Yep. Wikipedia has it here. From the end of WWII through the 1970s, 1 out of every 4 working Americans was a union member. Today, that figure is about 1 in 9.

    [–]SpaghettiSort 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    I think he means that, outside of the auto industry and the public sector, unions pretty much don't exist in America any more. I grew up in New England with a father who spent his life in the Massachusetts teachers' union and had never even heard of a "union hall" until I saw a reference to one in a movie.

    [–]ta1901 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I think he means that, outside of the auto industry and the public sector, unions pretty much don't exist in America any more.

    There are many people in service unions (cleaning people, hotel workers) and many teacher unions. In fact in my state there are teacher unions for the state level, county level, and city level. I'm not even sure what their function is to have so many, or how they coordinate things. There are also unions for plumbers and other tradesmen, and US postal workers.

    Source: I have an ex who is a teacher, and another ex who is a USPS worker, and another ex who is a factory worker.

    Maybe general union membership is just higher in Michigan, where I'm at.

    [–]fatblond 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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    Can you bring back Talk of the Nation with any NPR pull you have? Puuuuuwheeeeze?

    [–]Zokusho 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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    Two hours of Here and Now is killing me.

    [–]slfnflctd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    Ugh, seriously. I really thought they would tank it-- Robin Young doesn't seem very good at interviewing to me, while TOTN felt much more mature and in-depth. When I heard the announcement I was rather shocked and actually yelled at my radio for a little while.

    [–]Zokusho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    It's really hard to fill Neal Conan's shoes. The man was born for the job.

    [–]cwlynd 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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    Are you aware of the work of Mark Jacobson at Stanford? He reports that NY State can offer 100% renewable energy using only Wind, Water, and Solar power sources by 2030. He is working with colleagues now in California and plans to analyze the potential for renewable energy in all 50 states.

    [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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    Fascinating, as Spock would say. There is also some compelling thinking about all the jobs that would be created if we simply worked to insure that every building in big cities such as New York were made more efficient using using basic, as opposed to exotic upgrades.

    [–]Angoth -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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    *ensure

    I couldn't help it.

    [–]benno_von_lat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Ensure

    MWD: 2. To make certain especially by taking necessary measures and precautions

    OED: There is considerable overlap between the meaning and use of insure and ensure. In both US and British English, the primary meaning of insure is the commercial sense of providing financial compensation in the event of damage to property; ensure is not used at all in this sense. For the more general senses, ensure is more likely to be used, but insure and ensure are often interchangeable, particularly in US English: bail is posted to insure that the defendant appears for trial the system is run to ensure that a good quality of service is maintained.

    [–]EdrawdSnowden 20 points21 points  (18 children)

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    How importnat are Bitcoins for the future economy?

    [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 0 points1 point  (17 children)

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    In the film we look at local currencies, such as Baltimore B-notes. Bitcoin is anything but local, but fascinating. The thing is, financial regulators are now swooping in to scrutinize Bitcoin. We'll see if they can survive. Thanks for the question.

    [–]Angoth 43 points44 points  (12 children)

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    ........did I miss the actual answer to the question?

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      [–]balanceofpower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Not sure what more you would want. It's a currency that is still in its infancy which has already been saddled with controversy and now government scrutiny. It would be irresponsible to speculate more without knowing if it'll even survive in the next few years, let alone the "future."

      [–]MOUTH_POOPER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I'm satisfied; my only question for this whole AMA would have been how his name is spelled. Hooray!

      [–]third_rate_economist 3 points4 points  (6 children)

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      Question was about the importance of Bitcoin in the future, he answered that regulators are scrutinizing Bitcoin. This seems to imply that he doesn't expect them to last very long, or he is skeptical that they will survive. So, not important.

      [–]Angoth 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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      Comparing and contrasting the importance of digital money as a replacement for currency and the emergence of a faith/digital algorithm based monetary system does not equal 'he answered that regulators are scrutinizing Bitcoin.'

      With the emergence of the economics of abundance versus the economics of scarcity, the question becomes particularly relevant. I wanted his take on the matter and got 'financial regulators are now swooping in to scrutinize Bitcoin.'

      It hardly seems a fit bite to chew on for further thought.

      [–]third_rate_economist 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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      It is hard, for me, to see Bitcoin going far within the confines of government. So one might argue that it would be "the future" in the absence of government, or perhaps after a governmental collapse; however, I also struggle with that notion. If Bitcoin was not tied to other currencies, it is difficult to know if it would be valuable. Basically, if the USD were to disappear starting tomorrow, could something like Bitcoin step in and take its place? Something tells me no because there would be no reason for people to be willing to accept it.

      [–]offers_to_fuck 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      Why wouldn't people use it? It has divisibility, fungibility, popularity, and the currency stock inflates predictably, and it's impossible to counterfeit.

      [–]third_rate_economist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      It doesn't have value though. I'm not saying it couldn't become a thing, but it seems very hard to predict.

      [–]offers_to_fuck 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      When it comes to money, those factors are what eventually creates value. It literally has better fundamentals than the US dollar, aside from the fact that the US dollar is obviously more popular. It's far less counterfeitable, a better store of value (in a foundational sense), more transportable, and has better divisibility. It really is, in a theoretical sense, the best money anyone has ever come up with.

      [–]third_rate_economist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I don't disagree with you. To your point about counterfeitability, would you say that Bitcoin is more secure? To a certain extent, lack of bureaucratic oversight is a good thing, but Bitcoin has a bad habit of being stolen from the exchanges or directly from wallets. One must ask what the potential disadvantages of non-physical currency are.

      [–]Chitowngaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Read between the lines....If it grows to rival the systems' currency they will take it down using Federal power.

      [–]rollerboogie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      How is he actually supposed to predict that? It's a pretty new idea.

      [–]ta1901 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      Do you have a torrent for your documentary? If so, can you post the link in your original post? Thanks.

      [–]clairebant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      [–]marmz111 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      Shortest AMA ever? Total Questions answer: 10

      [–]lilbowski 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Longer than Obama's!

      [–]thedawnrazor 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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      How much do you think the exodus of young people from small towns has hurt the health of local economies? These days there doesn't seem to be much incentive for young people to live in small, especially rural, towns.

      [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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      It's a huge issue. I myself left Central Maine, a state that has traditionally suffered terrible "brain drains" (not that my brain was worth much to the state...!) A cultural shift may be in order. If young people go off to "seek their fortune" and define fortune as a high salary, people leave. If young people learn to appreciate the social capital that can be found in local community, they might be more inclined to stick around. But the economy in local communities needs to be nurtured so there are jobs. As our documentary demonstrates in places like Cleveland and Baltimore.

      [–]berkshares 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      The people at the Berry Center in Kentucky and at the Land Institute in Kansas are advocating for "educating for Homecoming" so that we can give our children the tools they need to come home and support themselves and take care of their place. You might call it a movement to "resettle America."

      [–]MZITF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I feel that more and more educated people will move to rural communities in the future. I make about 55K a year in rural California and I just bought a new car and I am getting very serious about entering the housing market. If I made 55K in San Francisco I would be far from broke, but I would not have nearly the quality of living I have here.

      [–]jag289 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      In light of what we know today, do you think that NAFTA and GATT were bad for our economy?

      [–]toinen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      Answered 10 questions during 2 hours. I am kinda disappoint.

      [–]buzzoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Hi David! Enjoyed Marketplace Morning before retiring(and sleeping in)... Can you comment on austerity economics and the effect on folks who actually spend disposable income?

      [–]window5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What do you make of the argument that the latest jobs report was bad news in that all the new jobs created were part time jobs?

      [–]androbot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I love listening to you - thanks for this AMA!

      Q: Do you think there is going to be any serious national discussion of Universal Basic Income (i.e. guaranteed floor income without means testing)?

      Given the trend toward high base unemployment, eroding social services, and lower demand for domestic labor due to automation and overseas competition, we need some alternatives, and this seems like a good dark horse candidate that has had support from both the right (Charles Murray of the American Enterprise Institute) and the left (scads of them).

      [–]Mohavor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Where does public radio fit into the economy of the future?

      [–]jcy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Any relation to Joe in Brooklyn (windsor terrace)?

      [–]Robert_Arctor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Aw man sorry I missed this! I listen to you every morning. I don't really have a question lined up - but thanks for making my commute interesting!

      [–]iamjacksprofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      It is feasible that robots will replace humans in the workforce in our lifetime. How will people earn money when this happens?

      [–]Sunfried 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      How's the ol' Gnostic Index looking these days?

      [–]californiaoven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Hello, I catch your segment on Morning Edition often and was wondering, how much influence do your advertisers have in the stories? I heard one segment about Delta airlines revitalizing an airport and afterwards was a disclaimer that Delta was a financial backer of the show. How does this affect what you report on? Do you think your Marketplace Mornings segment is objective?

      [–]popeyeschicken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Will our national debt problem ever be solved? At this rate it seems like we don't even care anymore and it will just keep rising. Also, what would this country have to do to solve it?

      [–]Tickle-Tickle-Pickle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What do you see happening to the house market (in the US) in 2014?

      [–]dvsbebe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      will I be taller in the future?

      [–]Wolfinthesno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      When do you think the Amero will be swapped for the dollar?

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      Do you think corporations will eventually buy out severely in debt countries?

      [–]slimj7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      It seems that the only group that has gained economic ground in the past 20 years or so has been high earners, while lower and middle class wages have been stagnant. What can be done to increase lower and middle class shares of the economic pie?

      [–]splendid_knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Will we ever switch over to a goat based economy or have I invested...poorly?

      Also, what tools do you see being essential if the EU and US hope to remain competitive with China and India?

      [–]sometimesijustdont 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Do you think companies should be penalized for every outsourcing jobs overseas?

      [–]DOABYTE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Will the value of commodities keep growing?

      [–]ahawks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Not sure if you're still answering questions, but -

      Our economy requires constant growth to be seen as successful. Constant growth is not feasible. We will simply run out of resources or destroy the planet, whichever comes first.

      Q: Is it even possible to have an economy that is not based around growth, but sustaining?

      [–]zeissbickham 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      When will I be able to buy a hoverboard, and how much will it cost?

      [–]cosmospen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What are your thoughts on a citizens income to solve the social problems created by unemployment and boost the economy by increasing aggregate demand, assuming it would substitute current welfare policies?

      [–]Slimbopboogie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Hello Dave!

      As a college student my question is simple, do you think that college will ever be affordable in America? Another question I have comes from my current major, finance. I'm interested to see what you think about business school. Do you think it's worth it? or could future students learn more by taking the "learn by doing" approach.

      [–]trentar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Assuming we continue heading towards a currency less U.S.economy -- everything paid through debit or credit cards and the like-- what will happen in the future to those unable or unwilling to access the credit system?

      [–]TheWiseDevil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      My wife listens to you all the time. You are her rock star. Whay effect on jobs and the us economy do you predict with an atlantic free trade agreement?

      [–]aerosquid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Hi David! I don't have a question just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy Marketplace on NPR! Keep up the good work.

      [–]ContentFarmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What's your NPR name?

      "The rules: Take the first letter of your middle name and insert it anywhere you'd like in your first name. And then your last name is the smallest foreign town you've ever visited. Presto: You too can compete with Korva Coleman, Lakshmi Singh and Mandalit del Barco."

      I'm Johe Rjukan

      [–]Gooolati 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Do you see gas prices ever going down to 1-2 dollars again?

      [–]Emceegus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I listen to you every morning on stitcher. I know that's not a question. Thanks.

      [–]pistachiocaccio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      My last name is Brancaccio. Are we related?

      [–]beeonkeyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      You give me a super lady boner.

      [–]HauntedMonitor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Do we use bottle caps as currency in the economic future?

      [–]MeyerLink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Do you see any hope of an expansion in job growth outside of the low wage service sector that might provide a way to get low skilled workers back to work? As a follow up question, given the state of education and the economy, what needs to happen to bring the unemployment rate down and wages up over the long-term?

      [–]Mantisbog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What was it like working with Ed O'Neil and Katy Segal on Married with Children?

      [–]Marc4120 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      Would you be in support of a MASSIVE return of manufacturing jobs to the US from overseas if it meant having to lower wages slightly? Theoretical question.

      [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      Well, we already have lower wages in the US. That's been the trend for several decades. Can we match cheaper labor in emerging markets? No. But we have a cool example of a biz in Washington state that that thought it could save money by sending work to lower wage Asia. But the CEO decided to acquire some new tech that allowed his firm to manufacture industrial pizza ovens here in the US. He did this because he realized that keep jobs local had an added advantage: it helped the town (Bellingham, WA) thrive. And the CEO lives in that town.

      [–]Ulti 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Wait a minute, I used to live in Bellingham, what business was this?

      [–]GallbladderGone 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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      What are your thoughts on Peak Oil?

      [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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      I don't know when it runs out but shale oil and hydraulic fracturing (fracking) have changed the medium term conversation. I'll be watching to see how much this country continues to invest in clear alternatives as we move forward.

      [–]berkshares -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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      similarly, as Janine Benyus has pointed out, 3D printing will only be beneficial if we can use appropriate materials for 3D printing. If we use highly extractive, non-renewable materials we will only be creating more toxic waste--and we'll have it right in our homes!

      [–]rollerboogie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What does this have to do with what he was talking about?

      [–]yaromiro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Is the micro manufacturing really a sustainable fix for the American economy?

      [–]justonecomment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      yes.

      [–]kpatlong 0 points1 point  (10 children)

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      Will technology add or cut jobs in the long-term?

      [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

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      In the long run, I have to believe it creates jobs, the good ones. Just visit an engineering school such as Carnegie Mellon. The students in the robotics lab are not lying awake at night worrying about employment (or so they told me.) However, experts tell me that technology is moving ahead much faster now and it is a period of great disruption that will cost jobs. Remember the industrial revolution: it destroyed something like 98 percent of agricultural jobs. The question is, net, is it a creator? And what policies do we need to be a part of the it?

      [–]ShamAbram 2 points3 points  (8 children)

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      You spoke to students in a robotics lab. Did you speak to the grocer replaced by an automata? Or the firefighter posed with the question of unemployment? Or the artist, full of passion and creativity, broken by a turing test?

      I tried to make a movie about Human Obsolescence. The threat is real, the luddites will respond too slow, and the wonders of the future (enhanced longevity, a cure for cancer, non-grid power systems) will be challenged with a passive audience longing for purpose before efficiency.

      You recalled the industrial revolution, yet this goes beyond a small band of Ned Ludd's army, this is a global crisis buried because the truth is largely a depressing fatalism.

      [–]Professor226 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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      Exactly. It's fine to replace agra jobs with menial manufacturing to a point. There are lots of jobs created with low skill requirements in that scenario. But replacing low skill jobs with robots / computers pushes the skill requirement up for the remaining jobs. That's not a reality for many people. With the advent of AI, even some of the high skill jobs get removed too (think Watson making recipies, automated news articles, or Cancer treament recommendations). At some point (unless there are newly created low skill jobs I'm missing), there is only room for the super educated technology creators.

      [–]danpaquette 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      I would imagine, at this point, it would be important to address the question as to whether or not humans need to work at all.

      [–]ShamAbram 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Yes, until they too are usurped. It's like that Twilight Zone episode where the boss is all about efficiency and ends up automating himself out of a job.

      Mary Shelley's Frankenstein's monster was right: "You are my Creator, but I am your Master."

      [–]rollerboogie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Well there are economic and societal models in the work to address that. Pretty sure technology has only improved my life. I'll live longer, healthier, safer, and richer than my ancestors. Maybe instead of working we can all get 6 packs, watch movies, and travel.

      [–]rollerboogie 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      Fact is that it will happen no matter what. Trying to hamper technology to give people work would be like the new dark ages in a way. Technology will move forward and society will adjust.

      You have no chance of stopping it because the gears have been in motion for a long time.

      [–]ShamAbram 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      I've been watching James Burke programs for a bit. What they did to satisfy my belief that the world is far more complex than any one man can know, they have also provided a knowledge of inevitability. Pairing that with Thomas Sowell's Intellectuals and Society, I have all but given up on the pursuit of attainable transformative knowledge.

      But where there is no hope in stopping progress, there is hope in frivolity. Anarchy and the necessity of man's need for purpose are not completely exclusive. I believe the new renaissance will dawn this cynical modernity into a brand new stoicism wholly brought by the independence of man.

      It's a hope, but it becomes more hopeful every day.

      [–]rollerboogie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      I don't really understand anything you just said. Are you a philosophy major or something?

      [–]ShamAbram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Nope. I apologize for my confusing answer. Having a big vocabulary is not good.

      There's this BBC presenter named James Burke that I like because he doesn't speak like I do. I suggest his work.

      Then there's Thomas Sowell. His book Intellectuals and Society is great because he speaks about how little we understand. Thomas Sowell and James Burke both sound very similar in this area. They both talk about how people don't know much.

      A quote by James Burke:

      “Learners may study either history or physics, or perhaps only Renaissance history and astrophysics. People tend to become experts in highly specialized fields, learning more and more about less and less.

      I've come to realize that people resist change, but change will always happen regardless of what the people want.

      I bring up cynicism because back in the days of the Ancient Greeks, there was a dude named Diogenes who lived in a bathtub in the middle of town, told everyone society was just smoke (typhos) and was the first 'world traveller'.

      Cynicism transformed into another philosophy, Stoicism. The difference between the two philosophies was this: Cynicism was about telling everyone that life was filled with falsehoods. Stoicism was about telling everyone that while life was filled with falsehoods, you as an individual could make up your own damn mind.

      Sorry for the length.

      [–]hidden3d 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      1. In your opinion, could labor regulations help to improve local and then global economy? I mean things like minimum wage, mandatory paid vacations and maximum weekly work time...

      2. Can you see hidden 3D objects in Magic Eye pictures?

      [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      There some very interesting thinking about what policy needs to change to help local economies. When you get a chance, take a look at the Bank of North Dakota, what some see as a kind of mini-Federal Reserve that helps channel capital to local entrepreneurs (among other things) instead of routing the money to any old place. Other states are looking at that model. As for question 2: Yes, I can see 3D objects in magic eye pictures, by I am slow. My son is a 3D genius (he does 3D for a living) and is radically faster!

      [–]TrueKDC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I remember hearing about the Bank of North Dakota a long time back. In the remake of "The Money Masters" titled "The Secret of OZ." I recommend both of those works, although they were difficult to find when I watched them, maybe they are more easily accessible now.

      [–]JEMerc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What are your thoughts on capitalism vs communism vs socialism. If done properly which is better and more future proof?

      [–]TheBoraxKid 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      Silver is pretty damn cheap right now. As a 19 year old with some extra money from working, I can spear to buy about 100 oz. is it a good investment?

      [–]duckmartens 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      Be careful. Don't bring a spear to a gun fight.

      [–]TheBoraxKid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      I'm not sure what that means.

      [–]duckmartens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Was just making fun of a typo. "I can spear to buy about 100 oz."

      Seriously though don't take any investing advice from here.

      [–]thirstyfish209 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Will Canada's dollar ever permanently be worth more than America's? They are always neck-in-neck.

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      Does NPR realize they are not doing it's true 1st amendment role to protect citizens from the government by trying to vet out corruption and informing the citizens of the true nature of the constitution, but that NPR is more like a Washington Pravda-esq voice box?

      [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (23 children)

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      I currently serve on the board of directors, on several levels, for over a dozen NPR member stations:

      • it isn't the "role" of NPR to "protect citizens" or to "inform citizens of the true nature of the constitution". NPR, nor CPB were created with first amendment rights strictly in mind. it was more in terms of enriching the society through the mediums of radio and television that the state deemed were important for all to have access to.

      our mission statement (NPR's that is, member stations generally acknowledge and follow this with some variety dependent on the locale) is as follows:

      "The mission of NPR is to work in partnership with Member Stations to create a more informed public — one challenged and invigorated by a deeper understanding and appreciation of events, ideas and cultures."

      challenging the public through knowledge is pretty anathema to informing and protecting them in a governmental sense.

      NPR stations are anything but Pravda-esque, and I take umbrage with that association. NPR is made up of tons of member stations, who collaborate together. WGBH, APM, and CTW are all proof that this model works. We are more-so your neighbors and community members than we are some scary voicebox for "the man". I assure you that your local media station has more about your local arboretum and museum than it does propaganda.

      [–]silverence 5 points6 points  (19 children)

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      No! You're not reporting on what I think is most important, as much as I want, from the perspective I think is the only right and valid one, thus you are a voice box for the tyrannical American regime!!!

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      "Everything that doesn't conform to my narrow view and satiate my interests is propaganda!"

      I really wish people would either give a lot more, or a lot less of a shit about public media. Before we were labeled as communist al-qaeda backers, people appreciated us for prarie home companion, big bird, and ira glass. Now people flip their shit over NPR and PBS budgets, yet don't care enough to read into the founding of the CPB. then, when I'm buying coffee in the morning, I have to delve into some ideological battle because the feds spent $5 on a Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood rerun.

      [–]silverence 1 point2 points  (14 children)

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      It's an absolute absurdity. I couldn't imagine trying to defend unbiased reporting to people who are so awash in media from sources with vested interests they can't even see how slanted their own network of choice is.

      If NPR and CPB have a liberal bias, then reality has a liberal bias.

      This latest stuff on the NSA has me up a wall, and it's not even a Conservative/Liberal thing, it's a "we don't have enough confirmed information yet and shouldn't speculate" thing. People read about accusations of what the NSA is doing from blogs with zero accountability, who have the luxury of being able to view the issue ONLY in terms of civil liberties, and then get in arms and scream "MEDIA BLACKOUT!!!1!!" when it's not all they hear about all the time.

      I'm in no way in favor of encroachment upon privacy, but it is a FACT that this issue is MUCH more nuanced than many people on reddit want to believe, and it is a FACT that the truth of what's going on isn't known to the public yet. But everybody wants to climb aboard the "It's 1984/Obama's watching you" meme bandwagon. It's a true testament to the actual problem that arises when you've got such a diaspora of information sources as the internet provides, and a harbinger of the damage it can cause to our national dialog. We as a public just aren't mature enough yet to have any patience.

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      Its something I've observed that is an inverse of the Streisand effect. I like to call it the C-Span effect. here is a quick link to C-Span's video library. Literally uncut, unfiltered political happenings. Zero analysis on the majority of the videos, just straight hearings and meetings.

      The top videos of the day all have under 100 views. They simply aren't sensational enough for people to even look at. Yet when the analysts are getting done yelling about it on the major cable networks and pander to their respective base, its just a huge shallow circlejerk.

      I think the Snowden fiasco is a good lens to view this through: Who amongst the general public knows fully what he has/is going to disclose, or its legal/moral/societal implications? few, if any of us, I'd imagine, including legislators responsible for dealing with this. Yet, imagine what number of us have an opinion on it, or how it should be dealt with? (which, to me is scarier because of precendent setting)

      I have no ideas on how to solve this issue. I think as our systems get more and more complex and instantaneous, we're not keeping up. there are several facets of life that require deliberation, but we we don't have time for that shit anymore. it opens us up to be vulnerable, and maybe even dependent on hyperbole and quick arbitrary decisions.

      [–]silverence 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      And on top of that all, we're more than ever able to hide ourselves away in our little bubble of information sources which we select because we already agree with, that only serve to reinforce our perspectives without ever challenging them. People have become more and more entrenched in their world views, and it's causes the national civic dialog to fall to pieces, which in turn is reflected in our elected representatives.

      It all comes back to the 20 year old problem with the media: the influence of market forces. If you get all your money from ad revenue, and ad revenue is driven entirely by viewership/listeners then of course you're going to prioritize saying what people want to hear over objective 'truth.' Journalistic integrity has been on a rapid decline since the advent of the 24 hour news cycle, and it's in free-fall since it doesn't mean anything to the vast majority of bloggers and online news sources.

      There is, of course, a solution: buffer news sources from market forces. You know that better than anyone, most likely. You also see... no.... LIVE the irony that alternative sources of funding are drying up because of the very same so-called "bias" of NPR and CPB being highlighted by conservative politicians.

      Where does that leave us? I hate to say it as a daily listener of NPR, but you guys are in some serious serious trouble. And as you go, goes the last vestige of objective news in the country. As that disappears, then we can forget about an 'educated electorate' which is an absolutely essential prerequisite for a well functioning democracy. Without that, how can one expect people to actual vote for what is really in their best interests?

      Maybe, just maybe, democracy, true democracy where sovereignty is derived from the will of the public-at-large, is a nice idea but impractical in the real world, where all information comes from those with ulterior motives. Add in the fact that political elites also happen to be economic elites and experience an entirely different world from those they are supposed to represent, and the argument for the feasibility of democracy begins to crumble.

      That shit keeps me up at night.

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      I agree entirely, but with one exception:

      I truly feel the time is ripe for NPR to do without federal funding. let the member stations go first, then NPR/PBS second, and then finally there will be no need for CPB...

      it will suck, and it will be painful, but federal funding is less and less of our member station budgets every year.

      if we could live without this, I think it would be a huge proof of our model actually working...BUT, it has a rather easy and obvious defense: "Oh, Public Radio survived?! this is PROOF that we never needed to fund them, ever, and its just a venue for the liberals." if it fails: "Oh, Public Radio failed?! this is PROOF that we had an unsustainable business model from the get-go, and this was just a venue for the liberals.?"

      [–]silverence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      That's so true, and very disturbing.

      [–]offers_to_fuck 0 points1 point  (9 children)

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      I don't understand, the NSA is storing billions of phone calls and text messages and browsing habits right of innocent people, right? That part is confirmed, right?

      While more information and nuance would be interesting, what kind of further nuance do you need to decide whether or not this was right? What kind of revelation would make that more acceptable?

      [–]silverence 1 point2 points  (8 children)

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      That isn't confirmed, no. What is confirmed is that the NSA has been collecting and analyzing metadata on the phone calls of American, the browsing habits of non-Americans accessing American servers and the surveillance of foreign governmental communication. The rest is speculation.

      What we also know is:

      The information the NSA has gathered is a small fraction of, and pales in comparison to, the information gathered daily by companies like Facebook and Google. If we're so willing to sacrifice our privacy so we can be advertised to, why is less intrusion in the name of security a worse thing?

      International espionage, even between allies, has existed since the first secret that one group of people wanted to keep from another group of people. American spying MAY be on a grander scale than any of it's allies have been doing back on it, but that's a function of our increased ability, and does NOT mean that, say, France or Germany doesn't have a spying operation running in the US. All countries spy on all other countries all the time.

      The value of Intellectual Property stolen by government sponsored and directed Chinese Hackers is estimated to be $300 billion a year, with a total value of $3 trillion. This is the largest transfer of value from one country to another, ever. That's greater than the value of Hong Kong when handed back by the British. That's greater than the value of the Louisiana Purchase. That's greater than the value of the reparations demanded by the Allies in the Treaty of Versailles. That is staggering to me. Quantifying that, and countering that as effectively as possible, is the responsibility of the American government. It also highlights the difference in spying done by Americans, and the spying done against the Americans: The US is conducting surveillance for it's own security, China (and Russia and many others) are conducting surveillance for their own economic gain, at the expense of the US.

      Finally, because of the nature of what we're specifically talking about, we'll never actually know the other side of the story. We'll never know what, if any attacks have been foiled by NSA surveillance, because to disclose them would undermine the ability to prevent further attacks. Information coming from one side of this debate, I'll call it 'All of Reddit,' is wildly speculative, jumping to conclusions, treating possibilities as facts and making assumptions it shouldn't, all the while having a very specific and vested interest: This is a site for technically oriented people, who have a global mindset because many posts and comments are from non-Americans, from sites who believe in the freedom of information as an ideal above real world limitations. The other side in this debate can't actually even properly defend itself because it's handcuffed by it's own intentions.

      And that's all fine. I understand why people from other countries are mad, because nothing the NSA has been reveled to be doing is in their direct interests. If I weren't American I would be a lot more pissed off than I am, that's makes total sense. But that's the nature of the beast, countries act in their own best interest, and the opinions of non-Americans aren't the responsibility of American decision makers, as it's not their mandate to protect them. Also, you're specification that the NSA is spying on innocent people, something I've heard a lot, if kinda silly. How would the NSA establish someone's guilt without spying on them in the first place? It's not CHOOSING to spy on individuals it knows has no connections to terrorism, it's spying on everyone at a very low level to determine who has those connections. That's a pretty clear distinction.

      However, like I said, I'm not in favor of what the NSA is doing, I'm waiting for more information about it. There could be quite a bit of things the NSA could be doing that would be going way too far. For example, it could actually be confirmed that it is directly storing the audio of phone calls. Or, for me, the real red line, is if the government were actually taking any actions based on information gleamed from the PRISM program. When the government starts invading my privacy to actually do something that harms me, is when I'll actually be concerned. Notice that hasn't happened. What is the actual harm of the government having the data it does? No one has been arrested for, say, pot possession, with the evidence against them having been collected by the NSA. That would be a serious issue.

      There are also many kinds of revelations that would make what the NSA has been doing more acceptable to me and to the general public. In addition to previously foiled attacks, catching specific threats against civilians, realizing increases in the capabilities of terrorists, and protection of American businesses IP are all very real and very possible positive outcomes of the PRISM program. What if it came out tomorrow that Al-Qaeda had been sold a nuclear weapon by the Pakistani Taliban, who got it from the ISI, and we knew about it because of PRISM? Would that make it more palatable to you? The problem is we'll never know that stuff.

      So yes, I'm going to wait a while before I start sharpening my pitchfork and making torches. More is going to come out about this. It'll very likely continue to make the US look worse. It's just a shame there isn't a Chinese Eric Snowden or a Russian Bradley Manning to provide counterweight, because in those countries whistle-blowers ARE actually dissapeared and killed, without the benefit of a trial. The world is a lot more complex than those who believe all information should be free and available to all (the Snowdens and the Assanges of the world) want to believe it is. To them, their ideal is most important, and if a people have to die because of that being the norm, than that's an acceptable loss for them. Other people think security is more important than marginal privacy. I'm not one of them, again I'm on the fence about the issue, but that side of the debate does exist as well you know, it's just not represented here.

      [–]offers_to_fuck 0 points1 point  (7 children)

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      Great post. Thanks for writing so much.

      For the most part though, I find the NSA to be another step in the wrong direction in the sense that we're trying to control and prevent every possible action of our enemies, no matter the cost. We should address the reason why we have such determined enemies in the first place, not just continue to escalate alongside them.

      And this part of what you said:

      The value of Intellectual Property stolen by government sponsored and directed Chinese Hackers is estimated to be $300 billion a year, with a total value of $3 trillion. This is the largest transfer of value from one country to another, ever. That's greater than the value of Hong Kong when handed back by the British. That's greater than the value of the Louisiana Purchase. That's greater than the value of the reparations demanded by the Allies in the Treaty of Versailles. That is staggering to me.

      Come on. All those comparisons are real, actual assets: Land, property damage, things that cannot be copied or reproduced, they're either yours or they're someone else's. The chinese are copying intellectual property, they haven't stolen anything, and we all know the value determination of IP is ridiculous. $60,000 for downloading a few songs, $20,000 to play happy birthday on television.

      The largest transfer of value from one country to another? Just completely, flat out untrue. Nothing left the US.

      [–]silverence 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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      Thanks for the compliments. Like I said, I'm not pro-NSA, I just want people to proceed with caution and get facts before jumping head long into this whole Obama hate-fest. The fact of the matter is that whether we agree with him maintaining and expanding these programs or not, he's not doing it for personal gain, he's doing it because with the information he has available to him, he thinks it's the best way to keep Americans safe.

      And your point about WHY we have the enemies in the first place is absolutely spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. Since this has all started, and I've been preaching restraint and patience, I've been accused a number of times of being blinded to the wrongs of the US. Nothing could be further from the truth. The simple fact is that the US sold it's soul to fight the Soviets, and radical Islam is the devil come to collect his due. Essentially, while no one deserves to be targeted for terrorism, 9/11 happened for very concrete and, honestly, rational reasons.

      Step one, in my opinion, in many of the major issues and tough decisions facing America, whether it's the use of drone strikes, NSA surveillance, Gitmo, whatever, is the United States NEEDS to stop it's blanket support of Israel and use any means at it's disposal (short of war) to FORCE a two state solution. It's where everything begins. Solve the Palestinian problem, then like dominoes, many of the issues facing the Middle East and pertaining to America's role there start to collapse. Hate that the NSA is collecting our metadata to detect and prevent terrorism? Stop the terrorism by getting ride of it's cause celeb [sic]. So yeah, I totally agree on that point.

      As for the Intellectual Property thing... I think you may be seriously underestimating how many knock off products China is making using stole IP. For example: 80% of Chinese computers run on pirated versions of Windows. In other words, there are more pirated copies of windows in China than there are legitimate copies in the world. Every one of those pirated copies is money stolen from Microsoft. Here's another specific one, that demonstrates how the hacking is directed by the Chinese government: Radar absorbent materials. The US spent BILLIONS of dollars developing radar absorbent, over decades, to coat the fuselages of stealth fighters and bombers. China, for miniscule fractions of that cost, hacked American defense contractors servers and stole that technology. What I said about IP IS entirely true. If you think the physical removal of an object is the only kind of theft out there, then I don't have the time to explain to you what intellectual property is, and how it fits into the economy. While nothing physically left the United States, the lost income for patients/ideas/formulas/programs is staggering, and compounded by the fact that the Chinese firms then go and make what are essentially knock off versions of the finished product that the American company would have made, for a fraction of the cost because they didn't have to pay to develop it. I can link you articles on this if you want.

      [–]offers_to_fuck 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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      I think you're probably right that we have to solve our diplomatic problems first before scaling down the security state. Dismantling the NSA prematurely could lead to another attack that would rally the public around even more governmental overreach. And while I do not support Obama on most issues, he is certainly a man concerned with safety, and genuinely wants to do what is best for the United States. We can be sure of that.

      But, I think you're miscalculating the economics of IP theft. When physical goods are stolen, the equation is simple. Each good has a cost, and that money is directly lost for each stolen unit.

      For IP, each stolen unit cannot equal one lost sale. If a firm hadn't pirated 300 copies of windows, you cannot reasonably determine that they instead would have purchased 300 copies of windows. The indirect loss of revenue is by nature indeterminable, and using the (cost)x(number of stolen units) will give you the maximum possible loss of revenue, exaggerating the actual cost.

      Additionally, there is no way to accurately account for some of the benefits of that theft. When people pirate an OS, they will buy proprietary hardware and perhaps software that they would not have been exposed to otherwise. When people pirate music, they're more likely to see a concert they wouldn't have seen otherwise, and they're going to need a physical mp3 player to listen to it.

      In short, my point is that however you feel about IP theft, the traditional model of cost accounting cannot apply. Estimates of the cost of IP theft are always going to be far higher than they actually are. I also think that it is a corporation's job to protect their ideas and formulas, not the US government.

      Lastly, while corporations like Microsoft and Apple are the main losers with IP theft, the beneficiaries are consumers, especially poor people that can't afford to buy Windows 8 for $100. Microsoft might miss out on a few million due to lost potential sales, but it's not like they're in any danger.

      As for sensitive military weapons technology owned by the US government, I completely agree with you, and that's pretty worrying.

      Also, and sorry for making this long and incoherent, the success of the US today is partly due to IP theft. Some of the most important inventions of the industrial revolution were stolen from Great Britain by American entrepreneurs.

      Again, thanks for your thoughtful responses.

      [–]silverence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Oh, and one other thing to clarify about my personal beliefs about the whole situation: With the amount that has already been released, the administration should dramatically increase the transparency of the NSA's programs. Their effectiveness is already injured, why not provide the public, who they're intended to protect, with more complete information so we can have an informed national debate about whether we want this or not. They can provide information about the programs that wouldn't further decrease their capabilities, while increasing our understanding of them, and allowing us as a citizenry to make up it's mind. In the end, that's the only opinion that really matters, not yours or mine.

      [–]deboerpa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I think the problem is that the mainstream media will never fulfill any useful role. They are just stenographers for politicians. Sadly, NPR isn't much different, my local station in Minnesota is selling us natural gas propaganda. Shit is fucked man.

      [–]offers_to_fuck 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      I absolutely love Prairie Home Companion and I always have, but, why am I paying taxes to fund that? Education for the poor, sure, healthcare for the needy, great, but a weekly throwback radio show? The cost is measly and inconsequential, but still, that just doesn't seem right.

      Holy fuck I love that show though.

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      I imagine very little, if any federal funding goes directly to PHC. Most of federal funding goes toward paying for licensing (to the feds) and a small part generally goes to operational costs.

      My issue with the whole "its measly, but unnecessary" argument is that if we are to travel this path, we need to do so unilaterally, and I don't feel we're nationally ready or able to have that talk. I am obviously biased, but I think it will be a talk that we need to have in our lifetimes.

      I'd actually prefer for the stations i work with to go without federal funding. it would literally make our lives easier with maybe a 2-3 year tough time schedule.

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      the state deemed were important

      This is as far as I was able to read.

      Thanks for your response nonetheless.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      The state has never deemed "what" content was important, just that access was important. Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, and blues before dawn aren't still around because the state says so, they are around because that is what is successful in a public model.

      if you disagree with the reasoning of the state funding access to media, I can accept and respect that. I just hope that you do not write off my thoughts on this matter over the subjectivity of content.

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      You have no incentive to do real investigative journalism that undermines your public funding.

      NPR is beholden to the state and whether you admit it or not, Public Radio is nothing more than propaganda for continuing government corruption.

      I used to love public radio until I learned that it's just a 'front' for a advocating more of the same - the same that's enabling corporations to infiltrate the government and write special interest laws that undermine the constitution. You can accept that, but I can't respect it.

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      This was an Obama AMA! Answer ten questions, plug your movie, and sign off! Great job bro, way to inspire us!

      [–]window5 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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      If cutting government spending and economic austerity is bad why is the German economy out performing all the economies in Europe? The German government decided a few years ago to cut spending in the midst of its recession, correct?

      [–]PeebusAmeobis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Having the largest economy in Europe helps. Great exports (automobiles, wind turbines, solar panels, and advanced technology) help too.

      [–]Danzaemon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      Hi David:

      Since it seems clear that financial institutions have massive, overriding, unbreakable influence on the US government, to the point where any sort of useful, intelligent regulation is impossible, what sort of economy are we set to have by 2050?

      And if you disagree with my premise, please explain as well as possible each point of disagreement.

      [–]jenny71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      Do you see the economy going up or down in the near future I think it will go down what do you think

      [–]steveconsilvio -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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      Have you ever considered that the way you understand economics is a major part of the problem with economics?

      What about your beliefs have you found to be fundamentally wrong? For example, which is better: buy low-sell high or buy low-sell low?

      Which do you practice?

      [–]crazymancraigles -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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      Why? Your an entertainer and a talking head. Go do something and stop talking.

      [–]clairebant -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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      I've watched the documentary and loved it. But I'm wondering, has there been any progress or new ideas since the documentary?

      [–]dbrancaccio1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      It turns out we were documenting what many see as a national movement. Ideas such as the ones we follow in the film are happening across the country. Perhaps the movement needs a name for it, the way the environmental movement grabbed the "Green" moniker. Does this mean that Wall Street is going away or that elected officials in Washington DC have suddenly cast aside their penchant for gridlock? You be the judge. But I am seeing enduring cases of a parallel economy growing along side the traditional economy.