Local Attorneys Gearing Up For Ebola Lawsuits

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Emily Mathis
Local attorneys are preparing for legal action for hospital employees and Thomas Eric Duncan's family members.

The rhetoric from Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital nurses in the last several days has been vehement. Nurses are anonymously alleging that the hospital did not take proper steps to prevent contamination and infection, which ultimately led to nurses Amber Vinson and Nina Pham contracting Ebola from patient Thomas Eric Duncan. "In the end, the nurses strongly feel unsupported, unprepared, deserted and lied to in preparing for this," said National Nurses United spokesperson Deborah Burger in a press conference on Wednesday.

See also: Presbyterian's Nurses Are Pushing Back on the CDC and Hospital Over Handling of Ebola

And Texas Health Resources is scrambling to counteract the claims. "National Nurses United recently made allegations regarding the protocols and equipment in place during Thomas Eric Duncan's treatment at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas. The assertions do not reflect actual facts learned from the medical record and interactions with clinical caregivers," said spokesperson Candace White in an e-mail statement. "Our hospital followed the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) guidelines and sought additional guidance and clarity."

Still, chances are good that when the outbreak has subsided, Presbyterian's owner, Texas Health Resources, along with the CDC and any other group involved in treating the virus will be facing several lawsuits. Charla Aldous, a lead attorney with Aldous Law Firm in Dallas, said she could not give any details, but confirmed that someone involved in the Ebola outbreak has reached out to her about a possible suit. "I have been contacted, but cannot disclose the names," she says. "I have not yet been formally retained."

But it's clear the lawyers at Aldous are gearing up for a fight. Brent Walker, another attorney at the firm, outlined the lengthy legal avenue that -- hypothetically, of course -- an attorney could take if either Duncan's contacts or employees at Presbyterian decided to take sue.

The first, and stronger, legal claims would come from Duncan's family or other members of the general public who might have been exposed. Walker writes in his email memo:

It appears from the publicly available information that Mr. Duncan was inappropriately discharged from Presbyterian Hospital ("Presby") when he initially presented to the emergency room, despite showing signs of symptoms consistent with Ebola and in light of his disclosure that he was recently in Liberia.

Given that the CDC had warned Presby and other hospitals in the weeks and months before Mr. Duncan's arrival about the need to develop appropriate policies and procedures to treat patients exposed to Ebola, Presby was aware and apparently had taken steps to establish protocols. As such, the nurses and doctors should have been aware of and instituted a protocol to treat Mr. Duncan. Despite that, he was discharge and exposed his family and other members of the general public to this highly contagious disease while being symptomatic.

Mr. Duncan's family may seek to bring a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of Mr. Duncan, in which they can seek to hold Presby accountable for his death and their losses of their family member. Additionally, if the family members become symptomatic or other members of the public develop it as a result of the exposure after the initial visit, they may have a direct negligence claim against Presby. They must contract it: Texas law does not allow claims for "fear of exposure." You have to actually get it.

From there, Duncan's family would have to overcome various hurdles in Texas' sweeping tort reform laws of 2003, which set a high bar for proving negligence in emergency rooms and caps the size of potential awards.

"At the end of the day, the strongest case is probably against the hospital for the conduct of the nurses. Either way, Mr. Duncan and other patients who contract the diseases will need to show that the hospital was grossly negligent in discharging Duncan and taking away his chance of survival and exposing other people who would not otherwise been exposed to a similar fate," says Walker.

In addition, hospital employees who contract the virus -- so far, just Vinson and Pham -- could have a case for a dangerous workplace claim. Walker says potentially exposed employees could also look into a suit under the Medical Liability Act. Again, from Walker's email:

Given that Presby was made aware by the CDC of the need of the policies for Ebola containment, Presby should have appropriate policies in place to protect the patients, general public and their own employees. Recently, the news broke that a group of nurses believe they were inadequately trained or warned, that they were not provided adequate equipment, and that the policies were not in place to provide clear guidance. These are all legitimate claims to be made for inadequate workplace.

Again, to have a viable claim they need to actually contract the disease, which sadly at least 2 have done. Those two individuals should never have put in a position without appropriate training and equipment. They have claims. The others who are merely exposed but do not contract the disease probably do not have viable claims. The law does not recognize "fear of getting a disease" as a viable claim.




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adria1962
adria1962

Of course there will be ambulance chasers looking for lawsuits. I am betting the nurse who flew and put 100's at risk will sue though she should loose her license in my opinion. If a healthcare worker doesn't know to monitor themselves means to stay in one spot till they are clear.. just a little common sense.. they don't need to be a nurse. She didn't just put 100's at risk and out of jobs for 21 days she put her own family at risk. I DO hope she gets well but I bet she'll sue because if she's selfish enough to not care about possibly infecting others... suing will be easy.


I KNOW she says she called the CDC.. but a little common sense and she would have known don't take the trip to start with till the 21 days are up.


Sadly it started with a man lying. IF he had been honest from the first day, he wouldn't have flown and would have gotten help the first day.............. but the ambulance chasers are lining up.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

I honestly find it totally disgusting that a bunch of ambulance-chasing, jake-leg lawyers are seeking to make money from this tragedy.  Like vultures, they always seem to be circling any crisis, human misery, or accident to see whose lives they can make worse so THEY get richer. 


They can't sue Mr. Duncan, because he is very dead and now but a cinder.  So, they'll go after everyone else involved and see if they can't convince a jury that these people were negligent. 


Thank GOD for lawsuit reform in Texas. 


And NO; I don't generally dislike lawyers.  It's just the ones who constantly seek to profit over one person's misery by causing more misery to others.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

There is only ONE person responsible for the cases of Ebola that developed in Presby.  That person is a black man from Africa named Duncan.  If lawyers want to sue him, have at it.  

If we're going to start filing lawsuits against reactive second and third parties, let's start with Customs and TSA when Duncan entered the country.  Then, we need to blame the CDC for not notifying hospitals of a possible Ebola outbreak spawned by visiting Africans. 

Finally, we should also blame the CDC for not having up-to-date and effective protocols in the hands of every emergency room, every doctor, and every pharmacy in the U.S. 

Those are the people responsible; NOT the ER or its staff or physicians. 

sbristow15
sbristow15

If I were a lawyer, I'd be afraid of suing Plaguesby. What if they send one of their infected staff members to court during the trial?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Hospitals in other states have had to sue the ER doctors and nurses when they are charged with patient dumping.

Maybe that's why Presby is already beginning to dump on the nurses.

ivyhall
ivyhall

I would be very afraid of Charla Aldous if I were the legal team at THR-Presby.  She has an impressive track record for her clients in suits against THR to date.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Somebody said Phelps is filing a lawsuit that alleges he's been scared sick with panic.

sbristow15
sbristow15

Let me guess which law firms are ready to file against Plaguesby: Ben Dover & C. Howett Fields, PC, Proba Keester & Wintz LLC, Screwim Goode & Harte LLP, Dewey Cheatem & Howe LLC, Ditcher Quicke & Hyde PC, Kickham Harter Indagroyne LLC.


Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

"Nurses" are "anonymously" alleging?  Who are these "nurses" and how many of them are there?  I smell a fish.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

Wrongful death lawsuit for Duncan?  From what I can find wrongful death needs to prove three things: Duty, breach of duty and causation.  Duty and breach of duty are pretty straightforward.  Causation, though?

Duncan contracted a virus with a 50-70% mortality rate, regardless of care or treatment, and one for which the medical and scientific communities admit there is no known cure.  I'd say having Ebola led directly to Duncan's death, no other causes necessary.  Presby did not expose Duncan to Ebola, nor did they do anything that would increase the lethality of the virus.

I could see a number of lawsuits springing from this, but wrongful death isn't one.

charleecrat1
charleecrat1

@noblefurrtexas yeah wait till a doctor cuts off your crown jewels then you will think again as you have no recourse tort reform did nothing but free up bad docs and make insurance companies richer they are the real crooks

nd68
nd68

@noblefurrtexas  You are ridiculous. Your feelings about people are wide open. To say the "ONE person responsible" is "a black man from Africa" is all we need to know.


We can debate who is responsible. The patient. The CDC. The president. The disease. Whatever you want to say. But only Furr man has to say "a black man." He's a man. If he lied, he's wrong. No doubt.


But your agenda is exposed for all to see. You should be embarrassed, top commenter. Can't wait to see your next pile of *hit.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

CDC and WHO have numbers based on world-wide cases; not just those in Africa.


Of course, CDC is largely to blame for what happened.  But, these lawyers wouldn't have the courage or the moral ethics to sue the CDC.   Pity.

sbristow15
sbristow15

@ivyhall She likes suing scumbags like UT Southwestern and Parkland. I don't know if she's particularly just against Plaguesby.

MattL11
MattL11

@sbristow15 I think the penultimate one you listed only handles divorce cases. 

gabbahey
gabbahey

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz What you should keep in mind is that there is no nurses union in the state of Texas. The union that keeps speaking out is one which is simply trying to get a foothold in Texas, apparently by any means necessary.

Mr.Daubert
Mr.Daubert

@RTGolden1 50-70%?  Those numbers are not established.  At the very least, they are not established in this country.  There obviously is going to be a fight on the survivability, but the numbers from underdeveloped West African countries would not carry the day.


For instance, one doctor pegs it at 30% in the US: "The death rate would be lower in the U.S.," Schaffner told Live Science. "Everybody believes we could move it down from 50 percent to 30 percent, or perhaps even lower than that."  

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/14/ebola-mortality-would-outbreaks-be-as-deadly-in-us-as-in-africa/

But that would certainly be the fight.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@charleecrat1 @noblefurrtexas If a physician made a serious or careless mistake, I could already raid his malpractice insurance.


But, our family doctor is easily one of the best in Texas, and we literally trust him with our lives. 


The lawyers that irritate me are those who advertise for "bad drug" patients/victims and fleece both the client and the accused, and are for sale to go after good physicians with stupid patients. 



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@nd68 @noblefurrtexas Who is "We"?  Did I miss the election where you were chosen to speak for other poster, or are you with child, or is that the royal "we". Perhaps it's your imaginary friend speaking out. 


The Ebola problem in Dallas is the result of ONE black man from Africa.  (Africa has people of many colors, beliefs, and philosophies.)  And, this man was an illegal alien who lied to travel to the United States, and was willing to risk the lives of untold numbers of people because of his selfishness. 


His family is comprised of illegal aliens.  So, they are violating the law even being here. 


I have no problems putting the right monkey on the right back.  If you find that offensive, don't read my posts. 

The notion that this is somehow the fault of Pres. Reagan or Republicans, is to ridiculous on hits face that it is laughable. 

I'm not hung up on race, but I DO see blacks excused for crimes and sins for which white people would be prosecuted and nailed. 


Double standard by race????



RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Mr.Daubert @RTGolden1 Regardless of the mortality rate eventually in this country, right now, the worldwide mortality rate for ebola is in the 50-70% range.  It is also irrefutable that there is no known cure for ebola.


Duncan died from contracting ebola, which Presby had absolutely nothing to do with.  No wrongful death.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Mr.Daubert @RTGolden1 Well right now we are at 33%, lets see how these 2 nurses  turn out.  Either way, Presby is at 100% death rate, so there's that

charleecrat1
charleecrat1

@noblefurrtexas @charleecrat1 baby no you cannot raid his insurance in Texas you now have to prove Malice that the doctor intentionally hurt you, that is an impossible standard.


The first reforms were workman's comp, they took away their final settlement payment in order to get rid of the lawyers they took 25% of that fee for the work, they claimed to raise the pay to something like 600 a week, but guess what? At that time most injured workers didnt make near 600 a week so it didnt help them a bit, ask a lawyer in Dallas that does personal injury, he will fill you in on what happened.  This is a terrible state if you have been hurt at work or by a negligent doctor, its really sad.

Mr.Daubert
Mr.Daubert

@RTGolden1 @Mr.Daubert It appears Pham and Vinson got early treatment.  How they do will likely factor in the analysis.  Perversely, if they survive, that is bad for Presby.  If they sadly pass, it would be helpful to Presby because would support the claim that early treatment does not matter.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin  It could have been any hospital in the state that made those initial mistakes.  Don't beat up on Presbyterian.  They took the hit as the first to be confronted by a new virus.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@charleecrat1 @noblefurrtexas I'm just curious; when was actual premeditated malice a legal-hurdle stand-in for carelessness in all of its many form?

 I proposed to a friend of mine, a lawyer, that attorneys should be held to the same standard as doctors.  He didn't speak to me for about a month.  :)

If I'm supposed to have my right leg amputated, and a doctor mistakenly amputates my left leg, I don't have to prove malice or much of anything else.  That is a catastrophic mistake that ruins the rest of my life. 

But, keep in mind, a bad defense lawyer could also ruin my life, and I have little recourse. 

 



RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Mr.Daubert Pham's treatment, to my knowledge was a blood transfusion from Dr. Brantley (?), the DWB guy who came back from Africa and recovered.  That treatment is entirely dependent on being a compatible blood type.  It was reported (not confirmed?), that Duncan was not a compatible blood type.

In the absence of a cure for ebola, treatment is simply treating symptoms, containing the spread of the virus (oops), and waiting for the victim's own defenses to either win or lose the battle.  Duncan did not win the battle, the blame for his death cannot be put at Presby's feet.

I'm certainly no lawyer, but from this layman's perspective, there would be grounds for many lawsuits against Presby, I just don't see how a wrongful death lawsuit wins.

charleecrat1
charleecrat1

@noblefurrtexas @charleecrat1 first off unless you are Magic Johnson or worth many many thousands of dollars it is not worth the cost to take the case to court, this has always been the way malpractice works, there was only 2 carriers when I worked for 2 Dallas lawyers and they never ever settled a claim, they always use the in house lawyers and take every case to trial. This is a good way to get out of paying claims, the reform happened after I left the field.  It has done nothing good for the public I promise you that, it has only made the insurance companies richer

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@charleecrat1 @noblefurrtexas Their job is to defend the company against claims; especially outrageous demands for compensation. 

I thought that was how the system was supposed to work.  But, I also knowTexas has become more attractive to companies seeking to escape the outrageous taxes in the Northeast and the West.  And, one of those reasons is Tort Reform. 

It has also reduced the costs of liability insurance, making medical and other care less expensive.

I don't see a downside to that. 

 



charleecrat1
charleecrat1

@noblefurrtexas @charleecrat1 I cannot quote you what the rates dropped but I am sure it was not near as much as the claims they saved on.  I did know at the time and was shocked at how they operate.  The way I look at personal injury lawyers is they are the civil police and without them a person can be hurt and have no recourse, I have seen this happen so many times it is depressing.


Texas is all about big business go google map south of Dallas look at all the fracking sites they are ruining people homes and I dont even have to check, those people are going to be screwed.  One guy has a 7 million dollar home in Parker County  that he cannot use 1 drop of water, he has to truck it in.  I dont see any lawsuits so far and do not think anyone will get a just settlement.  Texas is all about big business and screw the little guy, homeowner, injured patient etc etc 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@charleecrat1 @noblefurrtexas Thank you for your insightful and courteous responses.  I agree with you that, more and more, Texas is about what's happening in Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio, and less about Hico and Amarillo, and McAllen.


The more businesses we attract, the more I think my school taxes should go down.  But, that ain't exactly a brilliant strategy, since they keep going up - while Dallas has attracted a record number of new companies (or expasnions of current resident enterprises).

charleecrat1
charleecrat1

@noblefurrtexas @charleecrat1 I got annexed into the city of Midlothian that really ticked me off one big reason I bought this house in 1986 was the fact it was out of the city limits and Ellis County had some of the lowest rates in the DFW area, so I bought and chose to drive 40 miles one way a day to work, they lied to us of course and said the rate would go up only about 50 a month, wrong ! LOL now its 3 grand when it was 900 in years prior so I am out of here we bought a house in Concrete Washington and I will rent  this place and let the tenants pay that bill LOL


Thanks for your responses too :-) 

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