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chris dankland @cdankland
chris dankland @cdankland
Houston, Texas
my head is made of smoke // managing editor of alt lit gossip
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how would you describe what 'alt lit' is ?
I would probably describe it differently based on who wanted to know about it
in short I would probably just say it's online literature, or literature that exists outside of the MFA world and the NYC publishing world
my usual response to questions like this is to try and describe it by showing examples, here's my tumblr
http://neatomosquitoshow.tumblr.com/
would you consider yourself a feminist?
yes, in the sense that I believe men and women should have the same rights and opportunities as men, which is something the world has definitely not achieved yet
in college I took a gender studies class and read a lot of essays and books for that, but that's probably the limit of my knowledge about feminist theory and the feminist movement
in general I think that overt political agendas do not mix well with art
in general I'm not into Jezebel and tumblr feminism and activism outrage machine
in general I think it's limiting to value works of art based on whether they promote a social good or not
for the last two years I've been working on a novel about two rich internet-famous teenage girls, and I tried to get some loose feminist themes in there
I wrote almost three full drafts of it, none of which I feel very good about -- but I gave it up a couple months ago because right now I'm not a good enough writer to try and tell the story of two teenage girls, I've never been a teenage girl
lately I've been writing stories about Houston, and that's going so much better now
Here's one for you Mr D - similar to the room question, which I thank you for. What novels/writer's style do you think of the most surface-y? Of course there's Hemingway and all who follow. But are there any novels that you can think of that are pure surface. Some Lydia Davis achieves that ..... tnx
sorry this answer is so late -- I've been sort of depressed and stoned lately, and I've been flaking on everything
I'm not sure if I can answer this well because I'm not exactly sure what u mean by surface-y, feel free to elaborate if u want to
I feel like Robbe-Grillet and a lot of the 'nouveau roman' writers would describe their books as being composed of pure surface, but those books are pretty different from Hemingway...in particular I'm thinking about 'The Erasers'
if u mean surface-y in the sense of books that don't focus on what's going on in the characters' heads, Cormac McCarthy is pretty famous for that, and another book that comes to mind is 'eat when you feel sad' by Zachary German
my own subjective interpretation of what a surface-y novel would be is a book that spends most of its time describing objects and scenes, almost like a painting or a collection of photographs
I don't think that Bellow is a surface-y writer (he's probably on the other spectrum), but this question made me think about this paragraph from Herzog, I like this paragraph a lot:
"At the corner, he paused to watch the work of the wrecking crew. The great metal ball swung at the walls, passed easily through brick, and entered the rooms, the lazy weight browsing on kitchens and parlors. Everything it touched wavered and burst, spilled down. There rose a white tranquil cloud of plaster dust. The afternoon was ending, and in the widening area of demolition was a fire fed by the wreckage ... Paint and varnish smoked like incense. The old flooring burned gratefully - the funeral of exhausted objects. Scaffolds walled with pink, white, green doors, quivered as the six-wheeled trucks carried off fallen brick. The sun, now leaving for New Jersey and the west, was surrounded by a dazzling broth of atmospheric gases."
that's my idea of surface-y...like a whole book of nothing but scenes like that -- no narrative & no characters & no bigger point to be made -- only realistic descriptions of things happening in the world
thanks for the question
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For zombies i'd recommend Deadset written by one of the UK's best drama writer Charlie Brooker. It was a TV special, four or five hours long. It's quality. It makes Walking Dead look like a cartoon - oh wait a minute
thanks, I'll check that out for sure -- I've heard about that one
I'm halfway through Blake Butler's latest novel '300,000,000' (which is the death count) -- it's not a zombie novel at all but it does have lots of mass murder and cannibalism and fucked up shit
my main complaint about zombie movies is none of them are insane and disturbing enough to really match the reality of something like that happening, but imo Butler's book gets close to that
thanks for the reccomendation
To Dankland - because I refer to online folks like I do co-workers: by their given last name. QUESTion. Do you have a job in order to make money to pay bills? How's a writer to survive without a health insurance plan in this 'Murica' place?
hey :]
these are some jobs I've had:
fast food / secretary / receptionist / parking attendant / chemistry stock room person / house painter / mail room person / event coordinator / data entry / newspaper delivery person
for the last 5 years I've been a substitute teacher, and I've taught esl classes and done esl tutoring
I like teaching better than all the other jobs I've had, teaching fits me pretty well I think
I can only think of a handful of writers who are able to survive without working a day job -- it's possible to do that, but it takes a lot of work and the pay can be very uncertain, it probably won't be a reliable source of income
I'm not sure that I would enjoy writing full-time...I usually have a lot of free time during the summers that I can dedicate to writing, but I lose all of my social skills and become a hermit pretty quickly...teaching keeps me human and reminds me of how many people are in the world
writing is not easy to make money from but it doesn't cost money either, the only thing writing costs me is time
I don't need much money to be happy...but if books were somehow taken from me, I would get depressed and unravel pretty quickly, I think
money is a necessity for my survival, but books are necessary for my survival too -- I try to think about it that way
are you into the zombie genre? or do you think it's boring now/overdone? if you are into it do you know of any gems?
these are some of my all-time favorite zombie movies:
Night of the Living Dead
Dawn of the Dead
Dawn of the Dead [2004]
Return of the Living Dead
Zombi 2
28 Weeks Later
Zombieland
I think we can all agree that most zombie movies have extremely unimaginative titles
after I read this question I got stoned and watched 'Rec' which was ok...I liked the last 10 to 15 minutes
zombie movies used to scare me, but they don't anymore...one thing is probably that zombie movies which are actually good are rare -- but I also probably watched so many that I just adjusted myself to the idea
if the zombie apocalypse hits, I will get devoured by the undead horde very quickly -- no surprises there
if u have more zombie questions feel free to ask, I've watched a million zombie movies
sometimes I think about the feeling of being super stoned as something similar to what it would feel to be a zombie (stupid, slow, hungry, bad at conversation) -- my goal is to adjust myself to being perma-stoned, so if I do inevitably get turned into a zombie maybe I'll be able to maintain a bit better
I really like this font, does anybody know what font this is
are you into the zombie genre? or do you think it's boring now/overdone? if you are into it do you know of any gems?
kanye or kafka or kurt? you can only pick one. because.
Kurt Russell, all day & 4ever
Can you think of novels that are mainly set with the protagonist in a room? Hubert Selby's "The Room" is one. "Corrections" by Bernard's another. The classics are "Notes" by Dostoyevsky, "Metamorphosis" by FK. There's Bellow's first novel. There is Beckett. Do any come to mind?
that's a good question, hmmm
the books that come to mind for me are 'Room' by Emma Donoghue -- 'The Room' by Selby -- 'Room Temperature' by Nicholson Baker...can't think of any other that truly fit the premise
'Travesty' by John Hawkes is set inside a car -- a man has his girlfriend and daughter trapped in his car, and it's 100 pages of him talking to them while he speeds down the road, planning to crash the car and kill everyone inside
I haven't read 'Corrections' -- I'll put that on the reading list
do you ever think how the term alt-lit might follow you around in years to come and you might get sick of it?
yeah I've thought about that a little bit
it's hard to predict how you'll feel in the future but I think that I won't mind people bringing up alt lit, and I won't mind talking about it
I feel proud of the minor role I played in everything -- I think this is an interesting time in literary history
I can't deny that alt lit was my entrance into a bigger literary world, and that I learned a lot from it -- in many ways I feel like the last two years have been like an apprenticeship where I payed very close attention to how writers were adapting to and making the best of a new digital world, that's a subject which I'm very interested in
If I was answered that Lynch question and said Roberto Bolano, would that be too obvious do you think? Undoubtedly obvious would be DFW, and maybe Lin and Murakami. - Bolano - bit obvious?
no, I don't think so -- Bolano isn't the first person that would spring to my mind w/r/t that question but yeah I can see some of that, that's interesting
I feel like Lin's sense of humor is similar to Lynch's, and Murakami is almost always messing with the audience's sense of reality in a way that's very Lynchian
all of those comparisons makes me think about the parties involved in a different way, thanks for sharing yr pov with me
not a question - just a message - yes a tricky question, kind of a naff question seeing how unique Lynch is - but i think you got into the spirit of it and i thank you. i will be asking you more questions as i only discovered this page 2 days ago. thanks Mr D.
no prob, thanks for talking with me
I wonder...can I post gifs in here? lemme try it
not a question - just a message - yes a tricky question, kind of a naff question seeing how unique Lynch is - but i think you got into the spirit of it and i thank you. i will be asking you more questions as i only discovered this page 2 days ago. thanks Mr D.
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What novels do you reckon are similar to David Lynch films?
that's question is sort of tricky in the sense that I'm sure everyone has a slightly different pov about what Lynch movies are like, but some of the books that popped up in my mind are:
'There is No Year' by Blake Butler -- that's about a suburban family that lives in a fucked up house / neighborhood / world...I think Butler has said that Inland Empire was an influence on him in writing that
'Babyfucker' by Urs Allemann -- that's about a guy who...fucks babies...but it's not really about that...it's a difficult book to summarize, but it's very experimental -- I think about that one as being more like Eraserhead
James Purdy is such a bizarre and idiosyncratic writer, that's someone I thought of...he has this weird mixture of folkiness and sentimentality combined with very extreme visions of evil
one of my favorite Purdy novels is 'In a Shallow Grave' -- about a horribly scarred war veteran who comes back to his home town...the book also has some weird supernatural elements, it's very dream like
also 'The Duchess of Malfi' by John Webster reminds me of Lynch, but that's a play
If you're gonna read FW I beg you to read McLuhan. The amount of technology refs in the book, pop culture too, is as numerous as there is history/literature/ireland. MM like Campbell is FWs greatest translator. McKenna relates FW to drugs the way MM related it to technology. The World Wake Web JJ FW
cool, I'll check that out for sure -- it's interesting to imagine what Joyce would have / could have done with the internet and today's technology
on the subject of technology, I like a book called 'Irritant' by Darby Larson, he 'collaborated' with text bots to produce it
http://www.vice.com/read/if-you-build-the-code-your-computer-will-write-the-novel
in terms of digital writing, I feel like there's the opportunity for technology to play a big role in how literature gets made in the future...people forget that there are way more bots online than there are humans
lots of bots are probably 'reading' this message right now
James Bridle talks about twitter spam bots as being like newborn babies that are trying to learn how to talk to us (in the sense of convincing us they're human, and to click on a link), and that's a cool / spooky idea
sorry for the digression -- thanks for recommendation
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If you were going to Mars, which one item would you bring with you?
was gonna say a mountain of weed but I guess you couldn't really smoke in a space shuttle...
a mountain of weed brownies
I'd probably want to bring an e-reader with all the world's books on it, it would take a long time to get to Mars
are there any finnegans wake fans in this house?
sweet, I'm just gonna give a long answer b/c I feel that at least a couple ppl are interested in this
I admire Finnegans Wake as a concept, but I haven't read the whole book -- in college I tried to really sit down and study the book like I did with Ulysses, in terms of unpacking all the meanings that Joyce stuffed into his sentences, but I didn't get very far
I spent several weeks reading the first twenty pages, and then I spent a month reading the Anna Livia Plurabelle chapter, and once I got fully immersed I loved it in many ways, but honestly it was just too much work for me and I eventually got exhausted with it and moved on to other things
I kind of agree with what Pound said: "Nothing so far as I can make out, nothing short of divine vision or a new cure for the clapp can possibly be worth all that circumambient peripherization." -- the books takes an insane amount of work
I've read more books about Finnegans Wake, than Finnegans Wake itself -- I almost prefer Joseph Cambell's and Anthony Burgess' commentaries about FW to the actual book
on the other hand I feel like maybe Pound is wrong -- maybe FW really is nothing short of a divine vision, and all the work it takes to read and comprehend it is more than worth it
ideas that I respond to in FW:
the world, and all of history, is a dream that bleeds and mixes together in the mind of...??? -- one person? yourself? a collective unconscious? all of humanity? God? Joyce? who is dreaming the world?
language as a sort of bizarre DNA where all the thoughts and feelings and histories and myths of humanity are encoded -- I love how Joyce used puns in the book (cobbled together from many different languages) to create new words (like 'funferal' ... funeral + fun for all)
that history, and maybe the nature of reality, is cyclical...Giambattista Vico was a huge influence on FW, and all throughout the book Vico's theory of history is there in the background...the idea that history progresses from an age of theocracy, to aristocracy, to democracy, to a post-modern age of chaos in which everything from the past gets recycled in shorter and shorter bursts until the world explodes in some sort of great disaster, after which humanity goes back to the beginning, cowering in their caves fearing the tyrannical rule of God(s) -- that is genius, I love that idea
it feels like these days the amount of time for something to be considered 'retro' is getting increasingly shorter...maybe humanity is getting too big for its britches, and the time is right for another Black Plague or nuclear war which will remind everyone of what insignificant ants we are in the grand scheme, that's a scary idea
*sparks a blunt*
so that's my very long answer to that very short question
if you're an FW fan, I recommend checking out this video of Terence McKenna talking about the book...I listened to this like a month ago and it made me want to sit down with the book again
thanks
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Why am I reading this at 2:30 in the morning when I have to be up in a few hours?
if I was at your computer I'd probably tell you to get some sleep, I don't want u to be tired the next day
but I can relate in the sense that I've done that a million times, stayed up to read something online when I should be calling it a night
my favorite hours of the day are from midnight to 5, those are usually very peaceful and productive hours of the day...sucks that I have to sleep in order to function
hopefully you're reading this because u find it somewhat interesting, thanks for staying up
hi bb it's paige (i dunno who asked u the ulysses one but silent ulysses fans out there- i am here for uuu) how do you feel writing has changed in the past 5 years? how has it changed, or what has it moved towards, since you started getting involved with alt lit?
hey paige !!!
I think writing has gotten shorter and has adjusted itself to fit the modern attention span
I think it's harder for writers recluse writers like Pynchon and McCarthy and DeLillo to gain audiences...I think readers want more contact with authors and don't feel as satisfied by just reading a book...like they want to learn more about the writers they're reading, which is both good and bad in different ways
publishing keeps getting more affordable
I think literature is moving towards a digital format...there will always be books, but maybe 100 years from now the book format will be more like how buying vinyl is now a days
those are some of opinions about how things have changed
shouts out paige, I dropped something in the mailbox today for u
how do you feel about ppl who come into alt lit from the 'net culture' angle over 'literature'? if they are not well-read in the sense of the 'literary canon', but are deeply invested(even critical of) varied internet persons, arts, websites, etc. net nerds vs lit nerds. everything is binary~~~~
I think that's awesome, I feel like literature almost always benefits from including outsiders and those who don't necessarily have literature first and foremost on their mind
it can bring a fresh perspective to things, and I think it's healthy in terms of knocking down literary traditions and overly revered icons
I can't pretend that I'm mostly just interested in literature, my interest in the internet is mostly only to the extent that it can serve and expand literature
and I can't pretend that I don't love so many of the books that are included in the canon -- like Scott McClanahan said, books are the only true time travel device we have...I'll never get over the fact that I can open a book and have an experience of what the world was like 300, 800, 1000, 2000 years ago
a library is the history of the world -- when you don't know history, the world can seem very small and fragile but shit's been around a long time
I also like a lot of obscure and uncelebrated books too
I like to read as much and as widely possible because to me it would be like trying to make a song when you've only heard like ten albums...I think plenty of people have written amazing things without being very well read, but I like to hear everything -- I want to hear everything that literature has to offer, it makes me bigger inside
I think net nerds and book nerds have a lot in common in the sense that net nerds stare at a screen all day and book nerds stare at pages all day
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what are some tunes on your dial
I'm gonna start saying 'tunes on your dial' more, maybe
I like radio -- or maybe more like the idea of radio
it's like telepathy, things being beamed through the air
the internet is that way, wireless
writing is like telepathy
1) I've been listening to Aphex Twin's new album
2) Sun Kil Moon's album 'Benji'
3) Andy Pratt's s/t album
4) Blaze Foley, he's cool
I've been posting songs I like on here:
http://neatomosquitoshow.tumblr.com/
Love the haters on you bruh...They don't get helping the scene do they? No one's been man/woman enough to ask me something ahahah  Ian Macks
it's cool, it doesn't bother me -- in terms of literary stuff, I pretty much have rhinoceros skin
if anybody wants to make fun of me or troll me, you're more than welcome to try -- I don't take it personally
come test me and see what happens lol
I'll ask u some questions in a second -- everybody check out Ian Mack's ask.fm, he's a really cool guy
thanks for the support
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how do you talk, eat, see and hear anything, if your head is made of smoke?
good question
I was born with a head made of smoke, and as far as I know I am the only one of my kind
my smoke is my thoughts
u have to be standing close enough to me to breathe in the smoke, which then travels to your brain -- that's how I truly communicate irl -- beyond that, I have my writing
idk how I see, and hear -- I've been tested, but no doctors have been able to explain it
the way I eat is by stuffing handfuls of food down my neck hole
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what do you like about ulysses and james joyce
paige probably asked me this one, sweet -- shouts out paige gresty my james joyce buddy
I’ve read Ulysses maybe four times all the way through, I probably know Joyce better than any other writer
the first time I read Ulysses was in high school
I probably understood less than 10% of what was going on – but then I got to the third chapter and fell deeply in love with it – that’s the chapter that most people quit on, because the language is so dense
I know some people don’t relate to the idea of ‘sound’ in literature, but what initially hooked me was the sound of the sentences
these are some excerpts from Ulysses that I like:
http://www.altlitgossip.com/post/88976894459/bloomsday-excerpts-from-ulysses-by-james-joyce
over time I’ve come to see Joyce’s complexity as more of a weakness than a strength – but he wasn’t writing for a large audience, he was writing for a small group of Joyce fanatics who would be willing to put the time and attention that his books demand -- it's worth the effort though
imo Ulysses has an incredible amount of emotion and humanity, it isn't a dry book at all -- but u do have to spend a fair amount of time studying the book to see all of it
what I will say is that Joyce is smarter than 99% percent of other writers, and his control and knowledge of language is, to me, kind of unparalleled – Shakespeare had that kind of mastery, Milton had that, Dickinson, and maybe just a few others
the ultimate revelation I got from reading Ulysses – which has never gone away – is that every single moment of our lives is overloaded with details and meanings and intense complexities
that life is a sort of web that we are all entangled in along with everybody else, and nothing really happens in complete isolation – even our inner thoughts somehow penetrate the world
Joyce was obsessed with language, and that’s something I feel a lot too – I admire how dedicated he was to literature, and I admire how little he gave a fuck in terms of offending people – Ulysses was a very shocking book that was considered dangerous at the time
I’m sorry for the long answer, I could talk about Joyce all fucking day honestly
I am a dragon doctor and I went into the belly of a dragon. A tropical forest grew inside of its intestines. I met a mathematician who lived there and together we removed a black stone from the dragon's brain. Was this dragon you?
YES IT WAS, GIVE ME BACK MY BRAIN TUMOR !! WHOOO STOLE MY BRAIN TUMOR
greedy humans aaaaahrhhrr
*breathes fire*
honestly ive always been annoyed by your internet persona. you seem to be the ultimate front runner. ever tire of kissing so much ass?
happy to be annoying u, good job me
earlier today I was listening to some older KCRW Bookworm interviews…one thing I’ve always liked about Michael Silverblatt is that he doesn’t spend his energy tearing down books he doesn’t like, he just promotes the ones he finds interesting – that’s the approach I usually try to take
a lot of the stuff I promote has an extremely small audience...books in general have an extremely small audience -- I want to create more readers in the world
I enjoy encouraging writers and promoting books because I have a lot of love for writers and books -- it’s hard to get tired of something that u naturally enjoy doing
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how well do you sing?
lol, like 1 or 2
in 6th grade I got my first 'girlfriend' after joining a band with two of my friends -- I was the singer, and I sang Glycerine by Bush to some girls on the phone
*facepalm*
but one of the girls really liked it, so...but that was before puberty hit and my voice changed
DON'T LET THE DAAAAYS GO BYEEEEEEEE
very occasionally I'll do karaoke if I'm drunk enough, just for the sake of participation -- I'll usually sing a country song or something
'Friends in Low Places' is a karaoke song I pick a lot
u don't have to sing that one very well, just loudly -- and ppl in Texas like to sing along to that one, so that takes some of the pressure off my performance
Garth Brooks can sing