Dallas Is About To Have Access to a Pretty Cool Payday Loan Alternative

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Finally facing a competitor.
In a couple of weeks, people in Dallas running a little short will have access to small loans that aren't accompanied by usurious interest rates -- provided their employer opts in to a new program from a nonprofit called Business and Community Lenders of Texas.

The Community Loan Center of Dallas will allow employees at participating business to borrow up to half of their gross monthly pay with a $1,000 limit. The loans come with a one-year term and borrowers are charged 18 percent interest. All employers have to do is verify the borrower's employment status and income.

"No one else will [give out small loans]," City Council member Jerry Allen said. "The CLC will do it."

Allen is a longtime opponent of the payday and title loan industry. As it stands, payday and title loans are often the only options available to people facing a short-term crisis. When borrowers can't pay the loan back within the initial term -- usually two weeks or a month -- they are forced to extend the loan. Repeated extension lead to mounting fees and interest, which can add up to many times the original borrowed amount. In Texas, the average $300 payday loan accrues $701 in fees and interest before it is paid off.

"It's just like loan-sharking. You're giving people a right to steal," council member Tennell Atkins said.

Someone who borrowed $300 from the CLC would end paying less than $100 in interest and fees, even if they took the full year to pay off the loan.

Allen pledged to help BCL of Texas and its CEO Rosa Rios Valdez raise money so the program can fund as many loans as possible when it starts.

"We're going to raise the $5 million, the $10 million," he said. "Without question, this is a major economic development for the city of Dallas."

The program will officially launch with a City Hall press conference next week.

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monasarus
monasarus

I feel like I'll have to do more research on how much the employer is involved in these. If it really is just verifying the income the chances of such a low interest rate, short-term loan business (non profit) failing are really high. If you don't have the income to cover a $1000 emergency, you probably don't have the income to pay it back on top of your regular  monthly expenses.

I'm also interested to see how they will work in bankruptcy. From what it looks like at first glance, it will be another form of unsecured debt that is discharged just like a regular pay day loan. What is going to keep this program alive once the customers/clients figure out it is just another source of quick income but with less man-power to collect than a payday loan?

dfw_maverick
dfw_maverick

Wow, I didn't realize that 18% interest was such a good deal until I read this article

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Should we bar guaranteed student loans?  Half of them aren't paid back.

The only difference is the taxpayer picks up the tab when they don't.

It's an open joke that the growth of university systems and tuition costs nationwide have been funded by the taxpayer (more like expanding the national debt) because, in the end, students and families are not on the hook to repay them.

Why don't we just let the evil lender eat the loan if the student defaults?  

fordamist
fordamist

Disaster. If this works out,  all the one (or two)-on-every-corner stores will go belly-up,  the real estate suddenly on the market will be a car wreck that will drag the Dallas economic recovery way backwards!



holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Everyone who doesn't like the fees and interest rates in this segment (risk class) of the lending world needs to put up their own money to lend.

Then you will shut up about it.


TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@monasarus

I really don't believe that most people want to default on loans that they take. Even if your credit isn't great, most folks have some incentive to maintain whatever financial credibility that they do have. 

Offering some sort of credit counseling along with the financial assistance would be a good step in the right direction.

tlewis186
tlewis186

@holmantx Did you bother to complain when Big Banks were bailed out on the taxpayers dime?

Guesty
Guesty

@holmantx "Half of them aren't paid back."  I'm not a fan of the federal student loan programs because of how they have contributed to tuition inflation, but your assertion that the "half of them aren't paid back" is bullshit. 

Dallasphotog
Dallasphotog

@holmantx Did you know that now, the only way to escape student loans is to die.  You can't just not pay them anymore.  You can't file for bankruptcy.  You will have your wages garnished and your income tax refunds seized.  

Make no mistake, this is no accident, as the cost of college education soars, only the wealthy will skate through while everyone else will live a lifetime of indentured servitude.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

Should we bar guaranteed student loans? Half of them aren't paid back

They're paid back, the gov't is married to your income until they are

fred.garvin.mp.713
fred.garvin.mp.713

Right. Thsts like saying we should keep harsh drug laws in place for all the revenue they generate from court fees!

The economy in those areas will recover, after the sucking sound of the money vacuums that are payday leaders disappear.

I look forward to the title loan shop at Preston/635 converting back to what it used to be: a gas station.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@holmantx

There is more than a little bit of truth in the "debt-spiral" theory around the typical customer of a payday lender that get themselves into trouble with these sorts of loans.

I think it's a good thing that someone is trying to put forth at least some alternative to what's available right now. No doubt there will still be room in the market for the high-interest / high-fee lenders.

monasarus
monasarus

@TheCredibleHulk I'm sure I'm a bit jaded on the matter but want and do are two different things. I definitely love the idea of lower interest rates, borrowing limits and longer terms. If anything is going to give someone a shot at successfully paying it back, it is that combination of things. I'm not at all convinced that the good borrowers outweigh the bad ones so I'd like to see what kind of plan the nonprofit has for when the scale starts to lean.


Credit counseling is a good option but it is another expense added to what I'm assuming is already a pretty tight budget on the side of the lender and borrower.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@tlewis186 @holmantx

Yes of course.  Just as I did when the taxpayer was hung with the GM tab.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@Guesty @holmantx

Seven in 10 college seniors (71%) who graduated last year had student loan debt, with an average of $29,400 per borrower. From 2008 to 2012, debt at graduation (federal and private loans combined) increased an average of six percent each year.  American borrowers have racked up about $1.2 trillion in outstanding federal student debt, according to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.​

Only 41 percent​ of students graduate in four years. 

Students who take six years to graduate at Temple University​ ​in Philadelphia have nearly twice the student debt of students who earn a diploma in four, says Neil Theobald, president of the university.

The three-year student loan default rate is 15 percent​ for ​recent graduates.​  Defaulting on your federal student loan happens when you let nine months slide by without making a payment.

Here is where we have lost control of the language.  And, sad to say, you are a product of that.

After you stop paying and would normally be in a legal state of default on any other loan (think - payday loan, mortgage, consumer, credit card . . . well you get the picture), something special happens.  Counselors!  You can "consolidate" your loans to lower your monthly payment, tie your bill to your income with a plan such as Pay As You Earn,​ qualify for forgiveness or apply for deferment or forbearance.  (Just don't let it go over nine months and you avoid that pesky label.

So you are right.  The default rate is not half however that is why I did not use the term "default".  That's so last century.

Borrowers older than 60 owe $43 billion in student loan debt.  

So you are right.  The term "half" is unfair.  

For the student is never in default, and the loan is never discharged, and half never have to pay it back.  It's definitional, really.  

Like medical bills.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@Dallasphotog @holmantx

On June 9, 2014, President Barack Obama made a speech announcing a "presidential memorandum" that allows 5 million federal student loan holders to cap their monthly payments at 10 percent of their income. That announcement followed the introduction of a Senate Democratic bill that would aid borrowers in two ways. The bill would allow students with existing debt to refinance to the interest rate new borrowers can get -- 3.86 percent. The bill also offers an option to refinance private student loans into the federal student-loan system.  The Senate bill, which Obama has endorsed, would allow existing student-loan borrowers to refinance at the lower interest rate.  The pending measure, sponsored by Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., wants to pay for it with an income tax hike on Americans who earn more than $1 million a year.

Well, that's toast so we'll see just how mad the President gets after today, since he's got a pen 'n all.  It will be an interesting two years.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk

I don't have a problem with somebody stepping into that industry with an alternative.

Just don't underwrite the loss with taxpayer monies.  The bottom line is, 40% default if it's like note lots.

Look, if society does not like the idea of associating cost of funds with the risk class, then just ban payday loans.

But don't regulate them out of business.  That's a death by a thousand cuts.  Don't bleed a small business bone dry.  Just put a bullet cleanly between they eyes.

I get the feeling that people read some slanted piece in the newspaper masquerading as reporting and form an instant opinion based upon their lives, with a little bit of paternalism thrown in.

Most people who get a payday loan need it.  Half don't pay it back.  I'd leave it at that, or get rid of the industry.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@monasarus @TheCredibleHulk

Another difference between this operation and typical payday lenders is that, this business (hopefully) will not be built on the expectation that customers in default are driving profits. Therefore,  there is probably greater incentive for them to be tougher about screening and qualifying potential customers.


TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@monasarus @TheCredibleHulk

It might be wishful thinking, but, take away the profit motive and the lender may have more incentive for that sort of action rather than investing in collections.

It'll be interesting to watch it play out.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx @Dallasphotog

On June 9, 2014, President Barack Obama made a speech announcing a "presidential memorandum" that allows 5 million federal student loan holders to cap their monthly payments at 10 percent of their income

The Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2009 reduced the cap on income (Income Based Repayment) from 15% to 10% for new loans taken out after 7/1/2014. Obama's order moved that date to 7/1/2012.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

Great news for the over-priced higher Ed establishment, eh?

As for the next 2 years, that Constitution's going to get a workout similar to Fund Raiser One, it might even break down.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@holmantx

How are they regulating the others out of business?

FTR, I agree with your assessment of how many folks will interpret this story.

monasarus
monasarus

@TheCredibleHulk  I really want to be on the hope train with you! The article makes it seem as though it is a fairly simple process. Got a job*? Great! I'm sure there will be more to it than that but it is hard to cater to those that need this lending AND be picky about customers. 

I looked at the site (clcofdallas.org) and they do offer free financial counseling. There is your step in the right direction.

*"Got $199? Want a new Kia?!" will be stuck in my head all day now. 

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@holmantx @Guesty

I recently saw a report that loans taken by medical students make up quite a large portion of the unpaid student loans.

Lotsa' deadbeat doctors, apparently.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@monasarus @TheCredibleHulk

I wonder just how many people would be disqualified from borrowing on that item alone? (Jobs)

I'll bet you chase off a good lot of the traditional "title-loan" contingent just by requiring the borrower to have some form of employment verification, at all.

Also consider that their employer is now aware of their circumstance as a borrower. Should they go into default, I'm guessing that the first people to know this are your employers. May not matter to some, but could be a powerful incentive to many that want to keep their good reputation with their employer.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk 

Doctors are not required to pay on their student loans while they are in residency. There are also multiple programs that allow for the Doctor to have the loans forgiven if they work for a set period of time in public health, for non-profits or in areas where there's a shortage of healthcare professionals .

Their debt remains on the books until they complete the timeframes to qualify for the above.

monasarus
monasarus

@TheCredibleHulk Agreed on all accounts, these things do help. The question is if it helps enough. I certainly do think that the type of people youre describing do exist. 

They would explain how such a low (5%) loan loss was reported. It just seems way too low. You know what they say, if something sounds too good to be true...

Without going back to look, I think it stated something like 40% of borrowers made less than 20K a year. I don't know about you, but if I'm making $8/hr, I don't care much about what my employer thinks of me.



TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@mavdog @TheCredibleHulk

Yeah, this wasn't that. These were well established, working docs that, for whatever reason (they all had one - or more), just weren't paying.

The stats that they listed may have included some of the folks in those circumstances. I'll need to revisit to see if that was the case.

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