After Preserving In-Person Visits, Clay Jenkins Takes Aim at County Jail Phone Commissions

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Andreas Praefcke
Dallas County Jail
Two weeks ago, County Judge Clay Jenkins led a successful effort to change a contract that would have ended in-person visits with jail inmates while the county collected a share of the money a private company made from charging for the video visitation that was to replace it.

See also: Dallas County Will Not Ban In-Person Visits for Inmates After All

The county will still offer video visits in addition to in-person, but the county won't collect a surcharge from inmates or their visitors from video visits. Yet Jenkins still is not happy. He wants to the restart the process for finding a company to provide jail communications and eliminate surcharges for phone calls too. Dallas County would make $3 million from the surcharges over the life a proposed contract with Securus Technologies, which had the original winning bid.

"I'm not saying calls should be free," he said at Tuesday's meeting of the Dallas County Commissioners Court, "but families should be charged what they actually cost."

The county should not be in the business of making money from the families of people who are in jail, says Jenkins, something that Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins echoed.

"We should not be looking at criminal justice system for profit," Watkins said. Doing so "goes against the Constitution."

Watkins called out Commissioner Mike Cantrell and the rest of the Republican Party for trying to "make a profit off the backs of the most vulnerable."

Securus -- represented at the meeting by Josh Conklin, its sales vice president -- said that isn't what it's trying to do.

"We're not making money hand over fist," Conklin said, emphasizing that Securus only made a 7 percent profit last year. "It's important to balance communication and security."

The court erred in focusing on the elimination of in-person visits, he said, because video visitation increases overall visits because of their convenience.

Jenkins isn't worried about how much profit Securus or the county makes, he doesn't think either one should make any at all.

"It's not about the amount, it's about whether it's good public policy or even moral to do it in the first place," he said.

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CitzenKim
CitzenKim

If Securus is to make NO profit on inmate telephone calls, why would they even provide the service?  It's not a non-profit charity organization.  Maybe the County would like to establish a non-profit to provide this service.  Given their wonderful performance in the selecting any technology products and service, it should work like a charm, right?

GeorgeB123
GeorgeB123

Jenkins sounds like a statesman. Let's see if he can keep it up now that he is out of the shadow of JWP. 

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

I wonder if Judge Jenkins is now looking at these contracts as the county no longer has to worry about the equity situation.

Tim.Covington
Tim.Covington

I agree with Jenkins and Watkins. Aside from the ethical problems in profiting off of inmates' communications to the outside world, it is also a question of security. An inmate who has regular contact with his loved ones is less likely to get anxious and lash out while incarcerated.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@CitzenKim

Good point about the county's record. But NObody has said that Securus is to make NO profit, so your "if" scenario is groundless.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@GeorgeB123

Yep, he's making bold yet considered moves, and staying transparent about his motivations and goals.  

CitzenKim
CitzenKim

@wcvemail @CitzenKim ""I'm not saying calls should be free," he said at Tuesday's meeting of the Dallas County Commissioners Court, "but families should be charged what they actually cost.""

CitzenKim
CitzenKim

@wcvemail @CitzenKim "Jenkins isn't worried about how much profit Securus or the county makes, he doesn't think either one should make any at all."

wilme2
wilme2

@wcvemail @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul I can assure you are reaching and there is no connection. Funny thing, to see potentially any vendor to the county be suspect, without anyone checking the character of the vendor..

wcvemail
wcvemail

@CitzenKim @wcvemail

"actual cost" as born by whom? We don't have nationalized tele service, so it's apparently up to the county to persuade AT&T to establish and maintain a separate, no-profit operation for phone calls to jails.

I'm against exorbitant charges, and I'm especially against a private company trying to curtail inmates' visit access, but nobody rides for free. 

wcvemail
wcvemail

@wilme2 @wcvemail @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul


Perhaps, Wilme, but "I can assure you" implies that you're privy to the JWP investigation details. If you are disclosing official info, then you're at least breaking policy, if not the law. If you are not truly privy to that investigation, then "I can assure  you" is pretentiously misleading at best, and certainly knee-jerkingly defensive on JWP's behalf. 

As to the "character" of the vendor, remember the old joke whose punchline is, "We've already established what kind of woman you are, now we're just haggling over price."

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@wilme2 @wcvemail @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul 

Have you ever heard the expression: "You should be like Caesar's wife."?


Not only should you be without suspicion, you should be above suspicion.


Actions by politicians such as Price, Don Hill, Al Lipscomb, Hodges, among others, cast a long shadow on the processes undertaken and decisions made by our local governments.


Given the reach and depth of bribery allegations against JWP, I don't think that it is that much of a reach to ask if contracts such as the one in this story are also affected.

wilme2
wilme2

@wcvemail @CitzenKim So AT&T, being a publicly traded company would be OK to provide the jail phone service, but in your mind a private company is not?  AT&T is long out of the inmate business because they didn't want to develop the specialized call recording and investigative technology required by modern corrections facilities.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@wilme2

I overlooked the possibility that you're defending the vendor, perhaps as an employee or even a principal. If you are, then be proud to out yourself as such. And if you are, then consider what Paul said about the overall cloud on "potentially any" county vendors.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@wilme2

No, you mistook me, perhaps my writing. My point actually dovetails with your last sentence, that is, county commissioners would have no chance of convincing AT&T to set up an entire operation just to break even on eventual per-call costs. SOMEbody has to pay to set the thing up and maintain it, as I said, nobody rides for free. Your company or similar will do just fine, so long as there's no dictation of county jail visit policy in order to drive revenues.

wilme2
wilme2

@wcvemail 


I am. And given our business practices across the country we have earned being above suspicion.  But given this is still in the procurement stage, and things are obviously wonky, saying anything more on the subject is inappropriate...

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@wilme2 

As a DalCo taxpayer, I am suspicious of any contracts that the Commissioner's Court lets these days and ones that have been let in the past.

They are just now just beginning to consider implementing even the most basic protocols for contracts and purchasing.  And these were from an internal audit done more than 6 years ago.

You say that your business practices are above suspicion.  Then I have one question:  Are you doing the negotiations in house or have you hired a "consultant" to facilitate the negotiations?

wcvemail
wcvemail

@wilme2


In general, I sincerely say "Good Fortune!" to you and your company, and may your good business practices continue to keep you above suspicion. May you grow a thick skin until JWP's stench is clear, also.

In particular, is the personal visit curtailment the ONLY way to ensure enough break-even-plus revenue on the video business? Don't you think that's too drastic for families and the locked up? Aren't there other business-driving tactics you've used around the country in other jurisdictions?

Not incidentally, former Polycom employee and AT&T contractor here, I know your technology and underlying economics.

wilme2
wilme2

@wcvemail It is a reach to say you understand the underlying technology without actually looking to see what we are doing.  Sure, connecting the phone call is easy and you would be right on that end.  But the many, many, many layers of security and configurations we provide to corrections facilities would make your head spin.  A single call may touch a hundred servers in our data centers for verification and investigation. We offer services like Voice Bio-metrics to make sure the inmate is really the one making the call, netural networking software to allow investigators to track organized crime, and geo-fencing to make sure a call isn't placed to a cell phone of a smuggler waiting to throw contraband over the fence.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@wilme2 @wcvemail

Yeah, I reached, but that's what makes me the go-gettin', good-lookin' sonuvagun that I am.

All that cool stuff, market on THOSE features, rather than trying to change county policy to drive revenues. Make the county pay for those features, rather than curtailing in-person visits to channel (heh) users.

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