Dallas Police Department Will Host a Class for Officers on the Rights of Citizens to Film Cops

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Sky Chadde
Arlington cop-watchers film police on a recent Saturday night.
Less than two weeks after three people were arrested for filming Arlington police officers conducting a traffic stop, the Dallas Police Department announced Wednesday it will offer a class for law enforcement officers on people's rights to film them in public spaces. Also, the department, along with national journalism organizations, will host an event for the public on Oct. 16.

The U.S. Supreme Court hasn't ruled on citizens' rights to film the police, but many lower courts have, and overwhelmingly they've concluded the act is protected under the First Amendment. All First Amendment rights are subject to reasonable place, time and manner restrictions, but as long as someone recording doesn't interfere with an officer conducting her or his duty, their act is protected.

Though an Arlington Police Department spokesman told the Morning News the cop-watchers were arrested for interfering with police duty, he declined to say what exactly they did. The cop-watchers say they haven't changed how they approach filming traffic stops since they started several months ago.

Major Max Geron, the Dallas Police Department's spokesman, wrote in an email that the department was aware of the group in Arlington. Over Twitter, Geron invited the Arlington Police Department to attend the class.

Arlington hasn't returned several request for comment, but Dallas law enforcement officials have done their best to let people know they're OK with people filming Dallas officers. "The Dallas Police Department respects the rights of individuals to photograph and record in public spaces," Geron wrote in the email, "and simply asks that they do safely."

See also:
Three Cop Watchers Get Arrested for Videotaping Arlington Police
It's Definitely OK to Film Cops, Texas Judge Rules

There are rules of engagement when dealing with officers, said Avi Adelman, the former Lower Greenville neighborhood activist who films crime scenes and some fires. "Do not become a part of the scene," he said. If there's no yellow tape to mark off the crime scene, Adelman said he asks an officer politely where the line is. "If I can hear [officers] talking," he said, "I'm too close."

Filming the police from the sidewalk falls under the same principle as surveillance cameras and body-worn cameras, said Mickey Osterreicher, the lawyer for the National Press Photographers Association who will teach the class, because people have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public.

Osterreicher also said there is no distance requirement for filming the police. Officers want people at a distance so they don't make a go for their guns, he said. Based on the reasonable time, place and manner restrictions to the First Amendment, he said, a good distance for filming is whatever a reasonable person considers a good distance.

Though some might think police officers get stressed when they're filmed, Ron Pinkston, the president of the largest police union in Dallas, said officers only get stressed when those filming make themselves involved in a scene, such as when they shout. Not only is shouting "pretty stupid and pretty childish," Pinkston said, it distracts the officer from providing the best "customer service."

He added that officers should act like they're being filmed all the time. "If you're not doing anything wrong," Dallas Police Chief David Brown said at a recent town hall meeting, "you shouldn't have a problem with it."


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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Record those Pigs -- Expose their Violence and Corruption! 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Do we get to film the class?

Adam12
Adam12

What is missing from the discussion is that an officer who is involved with a suspect does not need to be distracted by someone coming to close to the situation whether or not they are video taping the incident. An officer has no idea if the person behind him or near him is carrying a camera or a gun, is a friend or coming to help the suspect or otherwise going to cause a loss of focus on the job at hand. If it is a traffic stop the officer needs to be focused on the person he has stopped. A few seconds of inattention could let that person pull a gun and have the officer get shot. We have first amendment rights and there is also common sense and good judgment. The people I saw in Arlington were displaying neither. Those brave souls in Arlington would probably wet their pants if they were confronted with the type of situations officers face each day.  

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

There are rules of engagement when dealing with officers", said Avi Adelman... "Do not become a part of the scene," he said. If there's no yellow tape to mark off the crime scene, Adelman said he asks an officer politely where the line is. "If I can hear [officers] talking," he said, "I'm too close."

Bingo.

Vigilant videographers protecting the public should also refrain from shouting language that would shame their mothers at cops, even though it is their legal right.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@Adam12 Not at all "missing from the discussion," Adam12. Discussed in the main article and many times in comments here. Pay attention.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@Adam12


Thank you, Captain Obvious, for providing these stultifyingly not-new cliches. Your third-from-last and second-from-last sentences would have sufficed, and would have been germane if not lost in the thicket. 

Also, paragraphs - you can make them by pressing the the Enter key while typing.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@russell.allison1

Gotta wear the safety vest or they'll kick your ass.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@SCamp2

Considering he's not been arrested or (to my knowledge) harassed by cops while filming, it would seem he practices what he's preaching.

AviAdelman
AviAdelman

Unlike dealing with the drunks on Lowest Greenville, where rude is a way of life, working at crime and fire scenes requires some finesse.

The fact that DPD and DSO are willing to host this event at the DSO Training Academy (Bill J. Priest Institute) should indicate how serious they are about getting this message to their officers.

There are a few officers who still insist you need their permission to take their photo while on a public street, but that attitude evaporates once they learn how so wrong they are.


My portfolio of crime and fire scenes are online...

www.AviAdelman.org


TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@AviAdelman

Your link leads to a Dropbox account with folders full of pdf's and images that don't load.

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