Even the CDC Isn't Totally Sold on its Own Proclamations on How Ebola Is Transmitted

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This is the official portrait of CDC Director Thomas Frieden. Maybe we need to ask for a little more than that.
Today in multiple stories, our only and always comforting local daily, The Dallas Morning News, reiterates the official public line of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control: that physical contact with a person suffering symptoms of Ebola disease is the only mechanism of transmission by which the Ebola virus can infect a human being.

That's not untrue. But it falls short of the full truth.

A more careful look at the CDC's own pronouncements and at recent research in respected journals shows that "viable" (living) Ebola virus can survive for days on surfaces outside the body. And it shows that little is known about the ability of "environmental" (outside the body) Ebola virus to infect.

That doesn't mean anybody's lying. But it does indicate that the CDC and some media (wouldn't you know it, our local) are more interested in crowd control than in digging for the full story.

In a story today with the wildly premature headline, "No additional suspected Ebola cases identified," The News assures readers that "Ebola can only be spread through direct contact with an infected person's bodily fluids, including saliva, urine or blood."

The paper cites CDC director Thomas Frieden as its authority, and, indeed, that's one version of the CDC's official line. A CDC bulletin on-line spells it out in more detail: "Direct contact means that body fluids (blood, saliva, mucus, vomit, urine, or feces) from an infected person (alive or dead) have touched someone's eyes, nose, or mouth or an open cut, wound, or abrasion."

But in another of its own online bulletins, the CDC lists an additional possible mechanism of transmission: "objects (like needles and syringes) that have been contaminated with the virus."

The thing about "objects" is that an almost infinite variety of them can serve as "fomites" or surfaces capable of carrying the living virus for some time. The Public Health Agency of Canada has reported that Ebola-type viruses "have been reported capable to ... survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures. One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions ... but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers.

"When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C 9 (about 40 degrees Fahrenheit - my note), Zaire Ebolavirus survived for over 50 days."

The Canadian bulletin concludes: "A study on transmission of ebolavirus from fomites in an isolation ward concludes that the risk of transmission is low when recommended infection control guidelines for viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed."

The Canadian bulletin is based in part on research published in 2010 in the Journal of Applied Microbiology, which found that Zaire Ebola virus, "can survive for long periods in different liquid media and can also be recovered from plastic and glass surfaces at low temperatures for over 3 weeks."

Another CDC bulletin, "Interim Guidance for Environmental Infection Control in Hospitals for Ebola Virus," says, "Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours."

I could find no paper or bulletin that said Ebola virus on a surface or fomite, even though viable, can infect a human being. But that doesn't mean science has proved it can't. It only means science hasn't settled the question.

Yet another CDC bulletin, "Interim Guidance for Environmental Infection Control in Hospitals for Ebola Virus," says, "The role of the environment in transmission has not been established. Limited laboratory studies under favorable conditions indicate that Ebola virus can remain viable on solid surfaces, with concentrations falling slowly over several days."

It's notable that the CDC's own protocols -- aggressive decontamination or incineration of materials that have come in contact with an infectious person -- seem to assume that a viable virus on fomites is a risk.

The CDC bulletin on hospital environments says: "There is no epidemiologic evidence of Ebola virus transmission via either the environment or fomites that could become contaminated during patient care (e.g., bed rails, door knobs, laundry). However, given the apparent low infectious dose, potential of high virus titers (concentrations) in the blood of ill patients, and disease severity, higher levels of precaution are warranted to reduce thepotential risk posed by contaminated surfaces in the patient care environment."

Hospitals are one thing. What about homes? A 2007 article in The Journals of Infectious Diseases concluded that disinfection protocols in dedicated hospital isolation wards probably kill off any virus that may have escaped to a surface, but the same article also said, "The risk from environmental contamination and fomites might vary in the household or other settings where decontamination would be less frequent and thorough, especially if linens or other household materials were to become visibly soiled by blood."

Ebola has arrived in our city. We should be asking all of the questions we can think of pertaining to every single aspect of the disease and demanding the very best answers we can get. Of course we want to know what is known, but we also need to know the known unknowns.

In its lead editorial today, The Morning News barely mentions the issue of red flags that should have been raised when a traveler from Africa first showed up sick at a Dallas hospital, but the paper then says immediately, "Let's leave those concerns for another day."

Let's not.


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GriffManstrong
GriffManstrong

I wonder if Schutze here realizes he's peddling the same sort of viral (cuz it's online, geddit?) alarmism that webshites like Infowars, Naturalnews, and Prison Planet are propagating. Good to see the DO reaching out to a wider, albeit crazier audience. Maybe next time a piece on vaccines?  

unitedstatesebolaupd
unitedstatesebolaupd


When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days Footnote61. This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature. This information is intended to be used to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting.

61   Piercy, T.J., Smither, S.J., Steward, J.A., Eastaugh, L., Lever, M.S. (2010) The survival of filoviruses in liquids, on solid substrates and in a dynamic aerosol. J Appl Microbiol. 109(5): 1531-9.

4 degrees Celsius is  39.2 degrees Fahrenheit

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

Russ Martin, Monday, September 29, 2014..."....The panic will spread faster and cause more damage than the virus...."  or something to that effect.

Must be  a prophet or something.

hwy77
hwy77

Turns out Dallas has been an "international city" for quite awhile. It just took an Ebola case in a multi-ethnic sector of the city to make the point. Big D image promoters can now focus on other themes - Dallas as a major river city, for example. The new bridge didn't do it and the Road-in-a-River project is stalled; might take a regional 100-year flood to make that point. 

sbristow15
sbristow15

I know that many infectious disease experts on TV, including the director from the CDC Thomas Frieden, have been downplaying the scenario where someone infected with the ebola virus can transmit the disease on airplanes because they would be far too sick to travel, but Patrick Sawyer proved them all wrong when he infected at least 20 people by traveling by plane from Monrovia, Liberia to Lagos, Nigeria.


It’s very desperate in Liberia, Sierre Leone, and Guinea. So much so that they are being turned away from hospitals there because they are overrun with ebola patients. Is it that unlikely that a sick person from the hot zone will hop on a plane to go anywhere with a better health care system as Patick Sawyer did for life-saving treatment? I'm not entirely convinced that Thomas Duncan was not ill on the plane from Liberia. He suddenly quit his job in Liberia and suddenly hopped on a plane to America, where they have successfully treated four infected Americans with the virus.


In addition, the CDC has not really addressed the most likely indirect transmissible form of contact with the virus, namely if an infected person uses a toilet or urinal that is also used by others. Clearly, the virus has a much better chance to stay viable in a wet environment, and due to the volume of waste that is eliminated by people, there would be plenty of virus that could contaminate a number of people.

Laeagle
Laeagle

It stands to reason govt agencies withhold information that could affect our economy. Already airline stocks have dropped since media reports revealed Dallas Ebola patient's travel itinerary. Sadly the Government seems to esteem finances over public safety.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

BTW, all rednecks consume bushmeat.  Okay?  Small game is bushmeat (birds, rabbits, squirrel, etc.).

Happy now?

It's the Left who has been smirking and poking fun . . . expressing a bias . . . all these years so don't get all up tight NOW if we attempt to apply some lucidity and reasoning as to how Ebola keeps making a comeback when humans can't be the carrier.

so eat me

deep-sigh
deep-sigh

Semen should be on that list of fluids.....folks gotta bang even during early stages of sickness......

Greg820
Greg820

BTW, you are 400 Gazillion times more likely to get the Flu than Ebola.  Go get your damn flu shot already.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

So the the virus ebbs and flows, flaring in West Africa and killing gobs of people then recedes for a time then breaks out again.  Since (circa) 1978.

That about cover it?

How does it flare back up if the shelf life is just a number of days, killing 90% of humans who contract it, and humans are not "carriers" (Typhoid Marys - they can't carry it because they die quick).

Use common sense.

Whatever that population is doing in West Africa, they stop doing it for a time, the virus claims a gash of humans, preventive measures are taken, the virus dies from all surfaces and in humans (the human dies), then something happens and it comes roaring back.

Bushmeat.  The humans go back to consuming animals that are carriers of the virus but are not dying from it (fuit bats carry it but don't die.  So do some monkeys).

But we'll find out just how contagious it is.  Dallas is the test bed.  5 DISD students had direct contact with an infected human who showed symptoms.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

From WHO:


Symptoms of Ebola virus disease: The incubation period, that is, the time interval from infection with the virus to onset of symptoms is 2 to 21 days. Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms. First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, symptoms of impaired kidney and liver function, and in some cases, both internal and external bleeding (e.g. oozing from the gums, blood in the stools). Laboratory findings include low white blood cell and platelet counts and elevated liver enzymes.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

So OOPS swoops in for a photo op.  His Nibs rushed here so fast he almost broke a heel. 

ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb

So malls and churches will be prime infection spots. OK.

Look, the reason CDC can't tell you 100% is because it's tough to get enough open carry types and politicians to volunteer for the studies. So, wash your hands, don't get in strangers' faces, and spread out in crowded areas.

muttley
muttley

They said it was "unlikely" that it would show up here.  "Unlikely" is starting to take on a new, less comfortable, definition.

Voot
Voot

As long as a mutating virus which has already hopped from animals to people just stops right there - just stop, okay, Ebola? Our experts tell you to, and they have confident, determined smiles - and doesn't go airborne or add birds as a vector or anything else we're all fine.

But, ah, that football season kickoff party I invited you all to? Let's just wait until we see if the Cowboys are really serious this season, 'kay? And besides, the wings I was looking at were all kinda small.

skeechi
skeechi

The director doesnt look much older than 25 lol

dingo
dingo

Are the CDC doctors considered in-network under Obamacare?

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@bvckvs

Attendance has fallen off at local churches? On a Wednesday? Cite me up some facts, or I call you a liar.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@bvckvs

As far as I know the symptoms -- internal organs turning to bloody soup gushing from all orifices -- so far have been linked only to the virus itself, not to panic.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@Greg820

And think about this: The total number of people who die from Ebola, gunshots, cancer, falling into the Grand Canyon, mistakenly taking Xanax when they were supposed to take nitroglycerin or vice versa or getting runned over by a danged old train is dwarfed ... DWARFED, I say ... by the number of people who die from being old.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@holmantx

Yeah, we mainly don't know how it works. All of the assurances that we are in no danger here have to do with our being richer than Africans and not eating bushmeat. I guess we will find out if that does it. 


All I am saying is that we here in Dallas have little reason to blindly trust the CDC. These are the people who told us in August, 2012, that West Nile aerial spraying here had reduced mosquito populations by 93 percent, then revised their study four months later to say mosquito populations had actually increased during spraying but tried to cover themselves by saying the mosquito population had only increased a little bit.


http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/02/aerial_spraying_for_west_nile.php


1) We cured it. 2) Well, actually you got sicker. 3) But not like a whole bunch sicker.


Don't only hear what they say but how they think.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

I suspect when the President reads about this next week, no-one will be more concerned than him.

markzero
markzero

@ozonelarryb Don't forget Starbucks, or anywhere else sweaty people may sit on chairs. Sure, they may not be infectious until they start showing symptoms, but not all the symptoms may show up at once, and getting a headache and sore throat and feeling tired might just make you want to go get something cold to drink before you go home.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@muttley

My dentist says, "you're gonna feel a little discomfort here" when the rest of us would say, "gonna hurt like hell."

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@bradz

You can bet that if there is a known known, it will be an unknown known until the President reads about it in the NYT.

sbristow15
sbristow15

@bvckvs @sbristow15 Human waste and vomit are the largest volume of infected bodily fluids that are released by infected and contagious individuals, especially since the virus attacks the liver to cause excessive vomiting and diarrhea. 


They don't bleed on you, they don't sweat on you as much, but they will have massive amounts of diarrhea, urine, and vomit (in liters) which has been confirmed as the most likely mode of transmission (i.e., fecal/vomit-oral route.) Ebola acts like an enteric virus giving you a severe stomach flu.


I don't know if you've ever been in a public restroom, but they are filthy with lots of splash back. Patrick Sawyer infected 20 people alone in Nigeria with his vomit, diarrhea, and urine, including the person that sat next to him on the plane, a case scenario that the CDC said couldn't possibly happen because contagious people would be too sick to board planes. Well, Sawyer proved them wrong.


This is a CDC level-4 bio-safety hazardous selective biological agent which requires a sealed off isolation room with a separate ventilation system and a full enclosed spacesuit to be handled in only the highest security biotech research facilities. 


This is one of the most infectious germs known to mankind which is why any contaminated surfaces must be thoroughly disinfected. The virus is more likely to stay viable in a wet environment. If you are so confident you can't get this from a toilet used by a contagious individual, then why don't you go to Presby and use Thomas Duncan's toilet?

reddit_user
reddit_user

@bvckvs one doesn't have to "drink" from the toilet to potentially become infected. all it takes is for an infected person to do their business into the toilet, then flush, which then aerosolizes the virus particles, and it finds its way to most surfaces in the bathroom, and can live anywhere between hours and days outside the body. All it takes is for those particles to make it to respiratory ducts, eyes, open sores, microscopic cracks in human skin, etc. 

Laeagle
Laeagle

I'm not chasing conspiracy theories; just sharing an observation from a reported news article. That is still the American way isn't it? No, I don't think it's a plot by the American people but I do believe the U.S. Govt would choose to downplay the risks and even withhold information to minimize financial repercussions. Several thousand ppl reside in the Liberian community in Nth Dallas, many of whom fly back and forth to their homeland. Is it any surprise one would knowingly falsify records to fly back in order to obtain treatment? Yet Obama still refuses to stop travel between our countries until Ebola is contained. That's not a conspiracy theory... It's a fact.

Greg820
Greg820

@JimSX The last study I read still pegged the overall mortality rate at right around 100%.  

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@JimSX @holmantx

And all I'm saying is that we better get over there and figure out why we all weren't consumed in 1978.  

And the answer lies in West Africa.

But you are right.  We can't trust the CDC any more than those 3,000 troops could trust them back in the 1950s who were ordered to stand out in front of a New Mexican hydrogen bomb detonation.

"Here, Private, put these really dark goggle on!.  Now look over there."

Given the extent of the federal government's knowledge of Ebola, it appears those 3,000 troops sent to "fight" Ebola best fish those goggles out of their ruck sacks quick.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @JimSX

That story, which has been taken down, was not to the effect that victims had been found but were still unnamed. It was that no additional victims had been found.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

No citations, then, dumbass?

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@Greg820 @JimSX 

Actualy it's 99.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009 percent.

They forgot about me.

drmarrello
drmarrello

@bvckvs @sbristow15 

Shhhhhhhh, you're really making yourself sound dumb.  Someone posts educated material and you respond with insults?  LOL  troll

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@bvckvs @sbristow15 You're not really helping your point by being the conductor on the crazy train.  Attempting to belittle or insult someone isn't helpful, any good point you may accidentally make will get disregarded like all your other posts.

drmarrello
drmarrello

@bvckvs 

The USA is big government, and it is not the same as The People.  You are one of the sheep if you think the US government is the people.

Greg820
Greg820

@JimSX @Greg820 No Jim, no we haven't.  We are STUDYING you.  Well, you and Keith Richards.


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