Dallas County Leads Texas in Women Killed in Domestic Violence Cases

And, what is the racial breakdown, age breakdown, and education breakdown?

Domestic violence against women is a somewhat cultural thing.

There is NEVER an excuse to assault a woman unless she is threatening you with deadly force.  Then, all bets are off. 

"Gun surrender" is useless.  It's window dressing on a home for the blind.  And, clearly, it has done nothing to improve things.  All it does it rob someone of the second amendment rights.  Frankly, for a first offense, the male or female responsible for the assault should be sent to boot camp to learn why NOT to assault people. If they do it again, we sent them to prisonl

What is the RELIGIOUS breakdown?

Bet the VAST MAJORITY are CHRISTIANS!

@noblefurrtexas 

Domestic violence against women is a somewhat cultural thing

yeah, only found in white, black, and asian races. only found in low, middle and upper incomes. only found in every ethnicity known. only found on every continent except possibly Antartica, but it may exist there too.

come to think of it, I can't come up with a single culture it doesn't happen within.

so I guess you're right, it is a "cultural thing". the World's culture.

@Donk

The majority of the country is Christians, so that makes sense.

OTOH, Christians commit about none of the rapes in Mecca.

@RaymondWolters 

best I could find.

http://www.tcfv.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013BytheNumbersSummary.pdf

@James080 

So....who is not doing their job here?

our society?

@pak152 <== the hyper-hysterical hyena who claimed the world would come to an end if Dallas enacted 5 cent fees for plastic grocery bags.

@pak152 The state figures from DPS 2012 are the most current I can find.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/crimereports/12/citCh5.pdf

This, by the way, is the source (DPS reports) for the information that was the source(TCFV) for the article.  have no idea why, amid the 3 or 4 links in the article, none of them seemed to go to the source material on which the article is based.

@pak152 

what is the ethnic/racial breakdown?

why do you ask?

@pak152 Can't look at that, we might come to uncomfortable conclusions and actually solve the problem.

The money isn't in solving the problem, its in fretting about it online.

@mavdog I know you're some kind of genius, but have a look at the "incidence rate" in various cultures.  Also look at repetitive incidents.

@bvckvs @DonkeyHotay They are NOT "cruel".  You're thinking of the Muslims who stone them, rape them, behead them, cut off digits and limbs, shame them, crucify them, and treat them like dirt. 

You'll find most Christians respect women, and many Christian and Jewish institutions revere women and swear an oath to protect them (such as the Masons and the Knights of Columbus) just to name two of many.

@bvckvs

?..because Christian attitudes toward women are cruel.

They really should allow their women to drive.

@Tim.Covington

It could be that domestic violence offenders follow those same numbers you outline exist for criminals, or it could be they don't. really don't know and not sure we can find out.

Many people get firearms from private sellers who are not Dealers. Those private sellers are not required to do background checks.

the police and courts can't prevent the individual from selling the firearm. don't agree it is the police and courts who have failed.

@RTGolden1 

unfortunately the DPS data doesn't break out homicides separately.

the major problem with the DPS data, or any group who gathers data on domestic violence in general, is the issue of how much is not reported.

we know about homicides as there's a death and that's hard to hide...

@BlancheDavidian

Would it be racist to develop a program directed exclusively at young black men because of the high crime rate in that "community"?

@mavdog

They're just trying to find a way to absolve the NRA of responsibility.

@everlastingphelps

Can't look at that, we might come to uncomfortable conclusions and actually solve the problem.

The president is instituting programs specifically for young men of color, but if you were to suggest that efforts towards eliminating domestic violence in the NFL be directed exclusively at men of color (seemingly the most prominent recently), you'd be labeled vile by the usual suspects.

@everlastingphelps @pak152  Exactly. If we know the exact ethnic breakdown we can come up with a properly targeted campaign that will solve the problem:

Brown People: Stop killing your wives, you uncivilized barbarians!  

White People:  It was probably just an accident. Try not to get so angry, OK?  As you were.

@noblefurrtexas

Also look for examples of how my points were in error. Can't help but notice that you don't offer any rebuttal...

@TheRuddSki 

but isn't allowing women to drive cruel to us male drivers?

(when you read this, just kidding honey...)

@James080 

Really? Is it your job to determine which of your neighbors have protective orders against their spouses or cohabitant, whether they are legally prohibited from possessing guns, and whether they in fact possess any guns?

it seems you are confusing the individual with what I mentioned, society.

I believe it is society's job to make sure those who shouldn't have guns don't get them.

Better laws, better enforcement of those laws. People not turning a blind eye to those who circumvent the laws.

Isn't it a matter of selective enforcement of laws?

not in my view, which is the laws aren't sufficient.

@pak152

those are stats on all domestic violence, not stats on what the TCFY study (and the article) is about, homicides.

but now that you see the stats on all domestic violence broken out by race, did you get the answer you were seeking? or did it not conform to your goal?

@Voot

They'll just kill with public transportation, which is one of the big downsides of high-speed rail.

@pak152 

can't help but notice you didn't answer my question.

why do you ask?

@TheRuddSki ... because the NRA doesn't allow minorities?

@TheRuddSki 

remember, guns don't kill people,

but people with guns kill people.

@everlastingphelps @pak152  Maybe I inadvertently came up with a litmus test?  I thought the irony was obvious...

@Tim.Covington 

where did you get that statistic?

@James080 

So you're saying that domestic violence offenders are not criminals? Thanks for clearing that up. Needed the info...

interesting conclusion. I say interesting trying to be nice..

many domestic violence offenders aren't criminals prior to being domestic violence offenders.

@Donk

... because the NRA doesn't allow minorities?

Sure they do, stationary targets are a bore.

@mavdog @TheRuddSki  Guns don't kill people, they just greatly facilitate the conversion of momentary murderous impulses into actual deaths.

@mavdog

Depends on where you live. In some places people with machetes kill people.

@Voot

Finland has the third-highest gun-ownership rate, behind the US and Yemen - it's not surprising they'd bring their cultural baggage with them to Dallas' notorious Little Helsinki neighborhood.

@James080 

Yada, yada....better laws, improve efficiency and cut waste.... you sound like you're running for office,

odd, don't remember saying anything about "efficiency" or "waste".

the laws on the books are inadequate. if they were adequate we wouldn't have criminals and those with mental issues so easily obtaining the number of guns and amount of ammo they have been able to.

you answer every question with sound bite talking points.

you mean "talking points" such as "Balance that reality against the endless calls from the left to ban gun ownership, or for more gun control laws,when the simple fact is the police and courts refuse to enforce the gun laws already on the books"?

Now THAT'S a good example of "talking points"!

@pak152

embarrased too much to answer eh?

odd that you would ask the question but then not have the balls to answer why .

apparently my brain is more "engaged" than your's is.

@James080 

oh, so it's the bullets...

technically, then it's the gunpowder that propels the bullet, for the bullet itself without the gunpowder is not capable.

or maybe it's the trigger and pin that strikes the bullet and starts the propulsion, if they did not engage the bullet wouldn't be capable of hitting anything.

putz...

@Tim.Covington 

might be good to get a report that is not 13 years old...

a good question is how many of the "friends" were straw purchases.

@James080 

Can you identify which logical fallacy your statement represents? Bet you can't.

that you would be able to follow the discussion?

@mavdog Congratulations, in two counter-points, you have not only minimized the main topic of the discussion: violence against women; You've managed to replace it entirely with a call to enact stricter gun control laws.

On the other hand, I completely agree with your initial counterpoint, that it is the ambivalence of our society that is to blame for the continuing violence against women and children.  Probably, as others have said here, it is uncomfortable just how closely these abusers appear to the person we see in the mirror every morning.  Easier to just disregard it altogether.

@RTGolden1 

Congratulations, in two counter-points, you have not only minimized the main topic of the discussion: violence against women; You've managed to replace it entirely with a call to enact stricter gun control laws

it isn't minimizing the topic RT, there is a linkage between the two.

IMHO stronger gun laws will reduce the incidence of homicide against family members.

@pak152 

oooooh shaking in my boots.

then you should turn up the thermostat

doesn't it make sense to find out which ethnic/racial group is doing the most domestic violence?

only if one views the issue through a racial prism. do you?

then we couldn't focus our attention on why that group is doing it.

that would only be relevant if there were a disportionate number of one group vs the average. why do you assume there is? 
do much problem solving? or do you just shoot from the hip.

yes, do a ton of problem solving, its taught me to not prejudge....like some others do.

@James080 

yes, that you continue to not have the capability to follow the discussion, or that you felt you could answer a question posed to someone else?

your pick...

@Tim.Covington 

how would you propose that law enforcement achieve better results in stopping sales of firearms to criminals from private sellers, friends and families under current laws? how do they stop this "failure" you speak about? 

@Tim.Covington ... so ALL crime is a "failure of law enforcement" ?

@mavdog @RTGolden1 It might reduce the percentage of familiar homicides committed with firearms, with a rise in the use of other items to commit such acts.  I'm sure that rise in the use of other weapons, like hammers, kitchen knives, butchering one's kids in the bathtub, etc, will be totally unrelated.

Enforce the laws as they are currently written for firearms.  Increase the punishments and level of the crimes.  Drastically increase the minimum sentences for domestic crimes and widen the circle of culpability.  If there is a parent, say a mother, who is crazy as a loon, and the other responsible parent doesn't do enough to either keep her on her meds or arrange for other responsible guardianship, punish that other parent for murder 1 when the loon hacks up her kids.

I keep my firearms locked up with almost paranoid zeal.  Do I have to? No.  Can they pass a law that would force me to? No.  Not and abide by the Constitution.  I would venture to guess that the majority of legal gun owners exceed reasonable measures of securing their firearms.

Breathalyzers as mandatory equipment on all factory automobiles would certainly cut down on the chances of someone getting drunk and driving (which kills more per year than all firearms crimes combined), but I don't see anyone calling for such an extreme measure to punish law abiding drivers for the actions of dead beat drunks and idiot frat boys.

@James080 

LMAO! you did fail to follow the discussion!

Samuel Clements is credited (others too) with saying "better they think me a fool then my opening my mouth and removing all doubts" please follow his advice...