B.S. Meter: Voter ID Law Upheld Because It's Too Close to the November Election

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Kjetil Ree
For now, you still have to bring your ID to go vote. If you have one, of course.

On Saturday, the Supreme Court decided to let Texas enforce its strict two-year-old voter ID law, which a district court judge struck down as grossly discriminatory this month, but that ruling was temporarily put on hold by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Got that? No?

Then let us 'splain: You have to bring what the law calls proper identification -- assuming you have some -- to cast your vote this election because otherwise the Supreme Court says you might be confused and just show up to vote the way Texans have always done. You see, apparently it's better to let a new discriminatory law possibly disenfranchise a large number of voters -- 600,000 by one count -- than lay the heavy burden on voters who mistakenly bring identification to the polls when they needn't have bothered.

Whew! Thank you, Supreme Court, for clearing that up.

Of course, the Supreme Court didn't actually say this, since it didn't give a reason for its decision, but the general consensus seems to be that justices figured it would be confusing to make a major overhaul to the law so close to the election. And if you aren't buying that, you're not alone.

See also: Dallasites without Votes IDs Are Generally Poor, Non-White, and -- Surprise! -- Democrats

"The thinking was that issuing a decision this close to the election would disrupt the status quo in a way that would be a detriment to the state," says Lynne Rambo, a professor of constitutional law at Texas A&M law school. "It's not a theory I buy."

It's not a theory at least three justices buy, either. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor each dissented the decision. And ample evidence backs up the district court's original argument that requiring an ID at the polls would disproportionately advantage white, wealthier voters: The NAACP also notes that 25 percent of African Americans and 16 percent of Hispanics nationwide don't have a valid government-issued ID.

"The status quo they're trying to maintain is that SB 14 [requiring voter IDs in Texas] went into effect at the beginning of 2012. Are there people that are going to be hurt by holding out the implementation of SB 14? It's extremely hard to imagine that there are," Rambo says.

"Theoretically those who enacted the law, they're claiming that there's some kind of harm that they would suffer by not having this law. They claim that it is necessary to prevent voter fraud," she says. "It's difficult for me because the district court found that there had been only two cases of voter fraud in 10 years. So it's hard for me to take seriously that claim."

Rambo estimates that the dispute over the law will be continued after the midterms. "There are other things you have to consider. For one, the state presumably has to train voting officials how to recognize voter IDs," she says, pointing out the validity of arguing that changes to election procedure could be confusing.

"From a legal standpoint it's not completely outrageous," Rambo points out, though, that the legal argument does not necessarily outweigh the ethical argument. "It's wrong, but it's not wholly without basis -- let's put it that way."

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WhoisJohnGalt
WhoisJohnGalt

Both of the legacy parties are total hypocrites when it comes to Voter ID.  The Republicans claim this will magically fix elections, and the Democrats, who've been passing laws and regulations for years which make our lives more difficult, suddenly claim THIS ONE SINGLE LAW is intrusive and overreaching?  Puhleeze.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

I'm sure this escape the women on the court playing for the other team, and others, but with the exception of redistricting and certain Justice Department findings, you cannot change the rules of elections on a whim, and without time for voters to be informed of election requirements. 


In Texas, we have Early Voting which began last Monday.  However, Friday, September 5, 2014 was the first day people could apply for mail-in ballots.  Clearly, the liberal federal judge in Corpus overlooked or ignored the importance of consistency throughout the entire voting process!


I'm not at all surprised at Kagan or Sotomayor; they're both strange and puppets for the Administration. They could care less about Texas laws or fairness to Texas voters and election administrators. 


So, that's why the vote on the Supreme Court was 6-3.  Even Democrats on the Court agreed with the argument(s) that the process had already begun, and the suit was too late for this election. 


But, of course, that made no difference to the Corpus Democrat judge. 



the_dude47
the_dude47

i wonder what % of "white people" (of voting age) in Texas don't have a valid id? and why in hell doesn't anyone think they need one? all in all, this law passed in 2011 so everyone who's serious about voting had ample time to acquire one. but no, that's not enough for some people who have nothing to do but whine about imagined "injustices". 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

Apparently the author is not familiar with Texas politics, and the long record of cheating at the polls by Democrats.  Lydon Johnson probably never won a single election without cheating, and taking advantage of "string voting".   


What is string voting?   It is the practice of rounding up people in Mexico, bringing them into the U.S., paying them with cash or a pint of whiskey, and giving them fraudulent IDs (which the Democrat election judges automatically accept).  The "string" is a knotted piece of string with the knots positioned to match the ballot positions of the "favored candidates".  Since the imported "voters" don't speak English, the string is placed next to the ballot, and the "voter" simply votes for each of the candidates with knots. 


There is also rampant corruption in "mail-in" votes; especially at nursing homes. 


The numbers for estimated disenfranchised voters  are ridiculous.  The Texas Law provides for FREE government ID's for anyone who wants one.  Yes; felons and illegals will have a little problem with voting, but who cares.  


Voter fraud among Democrats in Texas is a cottage industry.  At least the IDs will help to eliminate some of the fraud that the NAACP seems determined to commit to hold on to the U.S. Senate.  (They got busted in North Carolina when a memo leaked about their illegal recruiting.)


I'm all for every voter voting.  But, not a single illegal vote should be cast or counted.  It steals votes from legitimate voters.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

The solution is simple.

Count the number of voting-eligible blacks and simply assign that number of votes to the democrat party.

Bailey
Bailey

Charles Stewart, a political scientist was retained by the Justice Department to testify against voter identification laws and other election integrity measures.His testimony argued that ending same day voter registration and requiring voters to vote in the precinct where they live constitutes racial discrimination.

When asked if terminating the ability to register to vote on the day that someone casts a ballot impacts blacks disproportionately, Stewart testified in court that it did. Stewart:

It's also the case that -- well, yes, so it would, empirically more likely affect African Americans. Also, understanding within political science, that people who register to vote the closer and closer one gets to Election Day tend to be less sophisticated voters, tend to be less educated voters, tend to be voters who are less attuned to public affairs. That also tells me from the literature of political science that there are likely to be people who will end up not registering and not voting. People who correspond to those factors tend to be African Americans, and, therefore, that's another vehicle through which African Americans would be disproportionately affected by this law.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

Both political parties love this brouhaha; it keeps folks distracted from the massive failings of our elected overlords.


You get the government you deserve.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Eventually, the U.S. will join the rest of the civilized world and require voter ID, and Europe will stop turning up their collective noses at us.

kevingreendal
kevingreendal

RT- glad you read this part.  Glad to address.  skin in the game is important in any venture.  It makes people responsible and aligns interests.  this was known in greek and roman democracies that the population will vote itself wealth if given the choice.  that is the DEMOCRAT PLATFORM is to have the populous dependent on government handouts (re distribution from producers to moochers) to keep them in power.   And Myrna, Conservative, not republican (or worse RINO).  there is a reason that the DEMICANS and REPUBLICRATS attack the TEA PARTY.  Because the TP  is the only honest group about the Constitution, spending and the nations trajectory into the toilet as lead by oblahblah.  I think the vote should be 21 unless you serve in the military.  But in bizzarro  obama world they have found ways to keep military votes from being counted. 

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

I've always agreed that everyone should have ID.  But, the Republican motive in demanding ID to vote is not to mitigate fraud, but rather to suppress Democratic vote.  To wit:


 "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”--- Republican House Majority Leader from Pennsylvania, Mike Turzai. 

MaxNoDifference
MaxNoDifference

The state of Texas and its counties need to do a better job of verifying who is actually eligible to vote prior to issuing voter ID cards.  My daughter, a convicted felon, received a voter registration application when she received her Texas ID card.  Not knowing better, she filled it out and sent it in.  She received a voter ID card in the mail. By law, she is ineligible to vote, but received the ID card anyway. 


That said, people need to be reminded that yes, voting is a right, but not an inalienable right.  You can lose the right to vote just like you can lose the right to own a firearm.  You need an ID to do most things where some sort of proof of identity is required.  Like buying alcohol, cashing a check, buying a firearm, driving a vehicle, using a credit card in some cases, etc.  If you need an ID for any of the above actions, why shouldn't you need an ID to exercise your right to vote?

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@WhoisJohnGalt Before there WAS a Republican Party in Texas, conservative Democrats were stealing elections from liberal Democrats, and vice-versa.  Studying Texas History in Middle School, we learned that politics in Texas was a contact sport as well as a blood sport.  (LBJ is said to have killed at least two people, and was making money off of convicted criminal Billie Sol Estes. 


One of the ways Democrats from all persuasions cheat on elections is to hire ringers to vote in the name of legitimate voters.  Another way is to stuff the rolls with dead people and then send in impersonators. 


An official picture ID helps to eliminate at least that form of election fraud.  It doesn't solve ALL the cheating, but solves a great deal of it. 


I am totally in favor of sending anyone who votes illegally to prison for two-five on the first offense, and 5-10 on the second.  There is no more important right in the United States than voting, and fraudulent voters steal my vote and yours. 

Wonder why Democrats oppose this feature so much???  It limits their vote and their ability to steal elections. 


noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@the_dude47 I couldn't agree more.  But, they found an activist Latino federal judge in Corpus Christi who would throw away her integrity for the Democratic Party. 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

Disclaimer:  This is not at all to suggest Emily Mathis is not a good writer or journalist; she is very much so.  I enjoy reading her articles and columns, and frequently agree with her.  However, I think this story more reflected "concept journalism" in terms of its political leanings. 



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs You're welcome to come up with a single case of voter fraud by Republicans in Texas.  In your search, you'll find they are all Democrats way back to pre-WWII days.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@Bailey In Texas, you must be legally registered at your address and in your precinct for at least 30 days before an election.  It's been the law here for years, and has never been a problem. 


Same-day voting is another form of legalized voter fraud.  I could walk into ten polling places on Election Day, and vote ten times without challenge. 


Welcome to Cooke County where voter fraud is a team sport, and where - in THIS ELECTION - voting machines were programmed so voting for a Republican would be cast as a vote for the Democrat in the race. 


The legacy of Obama just doesn't stop.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@Bailey 

If that went around in circles any faster, I would die from the dizziness.


So basically the reason why African Americans are disenfranchised when it comes to voting is because they don't care about it.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Bailey

Looks like African-Americans might have to make a greater effort to comply with requirements, voter ID is the progressive wave of the future.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@Catbird The President apparently missed the talking points, or confirmed the suspicion that he's not a great reader.  ;)

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@TheRuddSki Apparently....many Democrats don't understand that, in Texas, you MUST be a registered voter 30 days in advance of any election, have a Voter Registration Card from the county, and have your name in the poll book. 


(What?  This law was passed by Democrats? Interesting.)

riconnel8
riconnel8

@kevingreendal  and yet it was the Tea Party constituents who wanted regulation on who could and couldn't fly into the U.S. during the Ebola scare.  I don't see that in the Constitution.  It was the Tea Party who were screaming hysterically that Obama had to do something AND I believe they wanted Federal monies.  Where's all that in the Constitution? 

It's the Tea Party screaming about the lazy unemployed people living off of welfare and yet they don't have a problem with corporate welfare which overshadows anything ever given to the poor?


You can't cherry pick the Constitution nor can you change the words or meaning to your liking....which makes the Tea Party....DISHONEST. 

While the Tea Party continues to say they don't want "big gubbermint" and want to close or drastically reduce all government agencies(but scream and point fingers outward when they need those services) they also want new laws and regulation regarding voting?  Do you or do you not want regulating laws?  Make up your mind.

Quite frankly I'm not opposed to voter I.D.s...in fact I would like to see more regulation on voting and the polling machines owned by the GOP.  After all it's the GOP/Tea Party that continually cheat.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@kevingreendal Addressing your 'skin in the game' ideology, you would be saying in essence that larger taxpayers should have more say in running the government.  I can buy into that.  Percentage-wise, I pay higher taxes than Buffet, and probably most other rich folk who can afford high-hat tax attorneys.

You would also be in favor of decreasing the impact of the agricultural vote, what with them raping the taxpayer every 5 years with the omnibus farm bill (America's biggest contribution to world-wide socialism).  Farmers, since the early 1900's, have managed to cajole our government into subsidizing their ever-increasing wealth, paying them to NOT FARM in some cases, whole herd buyouts to keep the price of milk artificially high, crop buyouts to do the same thing with produce, etc.  Then, when the price of food remains higher than poor people can afford, the government has to give them subsidies so they can feed their families.  Also, agricultural land gets some of the lowest property tax rates around.

You would obviously want to prevent executives of corporations who outsource production overseas from voting.  Anyone who gamed the government contracting system by posting a minority figurehead on the company stationary likewise shouldn't get to vote, and then have their votes reduced even further for every cost and time over run on their contracts.

Yeah, this idea of having 'skin in the game' seems great; If your goal is to completely erode the Republican voting block.

The idea is 'One man (or woman); One vote'.  Citizenship and age of majority are the only requirements we need, or should want.  Anything else will lead to some form of tyranny.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz I agree that it was to suppress the Democrat vote, in that a significant part of the Democrat vote is fraudulent, and those are the ones that we want to suppress.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

"ID should be required!"

But republicans want ID required.

"Then ID shouldn't be required!"

dr_know
dr_know

@MaxNoDifference btw, buying alcohol isn't mentioned in the US Constitution, neither is cashing a check or driving a vehicle, but voting is. To the chagrin of those who value safe streets over every prick owning a gun, the Supremes disregarded the requirement of a 'well regulated militia'. I'm sure Cho and Holmes would applaud, that and the wholly 'gun show loophole' which screams come and get it without ID.


If it's easier to purchase killing machines than to vote, and those that argue the status quo, there is something serious wrong with this nation.

Catbird
Catbird

@noblefurrtexas @the_dude47  I'd like to expand you question and ask who it is precisely in Texas that does not have valid ID? Perhaps it's those people who do not speak English, have Latino surnames and send money to family in Mexico on a regular basis. 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@TPFKAP

That appears to be what Obama says, in his fake accent.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@TheRuddSki We even had a black legislator, Terri Hodge, do a year in prison for cheating.  She was a Democratic legislator who sold prison services for money to family members of prisoners.  But, she was most famous as a Democrat vote harvester who would defraud nursing home patients and cast their ballots for who SHE wanted to win. 


She is against running for office in Dallas.  Frankly, she's so corrupt she should still be in prison.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

The thin-skinned narccisist-in-chief is a little miffed that dems are avoiding him and insisting the midterms are not a referendum on him or his unpopular policies and intent to pursue unpopular direction when he has "a little more flexibility" (to screw Americans).

So what does he come up with?

"I am not on the ballot this fall... But make no mistake: These policies are on the ballot. Every single one of them."

It's all about ME!

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

It's just so darned hard!

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@riconnel8 @kevingreendal Cheating doesn't know party lines.  Politics is a cheater's game.  both parties flaunt the law of the state of TX every presidential election cycle by failing to put forth their nominee's name by the deadline.  If one voted for Obama or Romney in TX in the last presidential election, it was a vote cast for an illegal candidate.

kevingreendal
kevingreendal

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @kevingreendal Typical DEM MORON response by Myrna,  Address none of the points and start name calling.  No wonder Oblahblah has had his speeches rated as third grade level.  it is all his suporters can understand.  What acorn george soros group pays you to surf the web?

djltx
djltx

@bvckvs @amuse2 If they can't get to the DPS for free IDs then how in the hell will they get to the voting booth?

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@dr_know @MaxNoDifference 

There is no such thing as a gun show loophole.  What you are referring to is sellers falsely claiming that they are selling there own personal firearms and the failure of the BATFE to enforce the firearm license requirements.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@TheRuddSki I LOVE the poor white Southern minister accent he worked so hard to duplicate.  This character is a fraud, and that's how he got elected.  (Can anybody spell ACORN?)

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@TheRuddSki Yup.  And, let's see the hands of those who are surprised that the Obamatrons on the Supreme Court voted against the voters and election fairness.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @riconnel8 @kevingreendal I think that has happened a few times.  But, my main concern is election fraud which is virtually totally in the Democratic column. 


I did a major report in college on voter fraud, and was stunned to learn about all the ways Democrats cheated - and it was both the liberals and conservatives. 


Republicans have tended to conduct honest elections over the years; in part because Democrats controlled the mechanisms and law enforcement, and in part based on principle. 


We can't hold a candle to Cooke County, Obama's other home town.  But, ACORN has engaged in election fraud for years, and when busted - they didn't stop, just changed their names to continue to be funded by tax dollars.


Obama was elected in 2008 by ACORN and fraud.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@djltx @bvckvs @amuse2 Excellent question!


Some Republican Parties in Texas have offered free rides to anyone who can't get to the county or wherever they want to get their photo ID.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @dr_know @MaxNoDifference 

The "gun show loophole" refers to an individual who is not clasified as a Dealer and therefore is not subject to the background check requirement when they sell a firearm.

It does exist and there are buyers of firearms who do not go thru a background check when they purchase a firearm.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TPFKAP

"The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, for example, prohibits A.T.F. agents from making more than one unannounced inspection per year of licensed gun dealers. The law also reduced the falsification of records by dealers to a misdemeanor and put in place vague language defining what it meant to “engage in business” without a dealer’s license."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/us/legislative-handcuffs-limit-atfs-ability-to-fight-gun-crime.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul

That doesn't address the number of sales prior to a FFL being required.

did you read the article?

the point is there are many, many people who sell firearms who do not meet the threshold requiring them to obtain a dealers license. if they do not meet the threshold, they aren't dealers, and they don't have the requirement to do background checks on buyers...therefore they carve out the "loophole". it's real.

second, the restrictions on ATF inhibit their ability to adequately review activities/compliance of the registered dealers.

talk about "misdirection".....jeesh.

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