Surprise Bills from Texas Emergency Rooms Enough to Give Even the Insured a Heart Attack

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Taber Andrew Bain
If you're in the back of an ambulance and have control of your hand, you should probably try to call the hospital and find out if the on-call ER staff are in your network.

What's that? Your arm just fell off? Naturally your first reaction might be something along the lines of, "Thank goodness I'm insured!" Your next reaction might be to scream in agony, but instead you might want to suck it up, save your breath and tell the ambulance driver not to take you to Baylor University Medical Center.

Don't misunderstand -- Baylor doctors will probably patch you up just fine. But according to a new report, even insured patients are more likely to be saddled with horrendous bills after visiting the emergency room at Baylor or dozens of other ERs across the state. On Monday, the Center for Public Policy Priorities outlined "balance billing" problems in Texas. That's the bill insured patients are saddled with after they unknowingly accept care from an out-of-network physician.

The report focused on emergency room care, and cited Baylor as one major in-network hospital that works with the three largest state providers -- Humana, BlueCross BlueShield and United Healthcare -- but does not have any in-network emergency room doctors.

"Balance billing" is also referred to as "surprise billing," because patients are often unaware of the added charges they'll incur by receiving services from certain physicians. Although Baylor accepts several different insurance providers, the physicians themselves might not be part of the insurers' networks, which negotiate lower fees with doctors. If a patient is seen by an anesthesiologist, a surgeon, and an ER physician, that's four different bills, including the hospital bill, that patients have to hope their insurance covers at the lower network rates.

"If you're having a heart attack, you might be rushed to a hospital that you know is under your insurance. And you might expect that everyone who touches you under that roof is under that network is as well," says Stacey Pogue, a policy analyst who authored the study. "In a hospital that's not how it happens. The physicians who care for you are allowed to practice in the hospital, so it's entirely possible for you to go to an in-network hospital but every other bill you get will be for out-of-network services. And that will lead to really high costs."

Pogue says there's much less of an incentive for emergency room physicians to list popular insurance providers in their network. While primary care physicians need to work with popular providers in order to attract patients and drive business, emergency room doctors don't need insurance to keep up their volume and bring in patients.

And that quickly adds up to hundreds and thousands of dollars of out-of-pocket bills. "When you get to the emergency room, you don't get to say I want a doctor in my network," says Pogue. "The data shows that so many more emergency room services are out-of-network. It means that you're nearly guaranteed to have to pay a balance bill. Even if you have the most popular insurance provider in Texas, you're almost guaranteed to have to pay someone out of network."

Patients do have the option to find out if on-call physicians are in their network. But even if patients anticipate their emergencies, it's extremely difficult to find out emergency room doctors' networks ahead of time. Between frequent on-call rotations and the sheer panic that typically comes with medical emergencies, most people never find out if their ER doctor is in their network.

"People ask all the right questions, but the trick is you can't find out your, say, anesthesiologist until the day of or day before. So even very diligent consumers can't get the information they need," says Pogue. "The Legislature has emphasized transparency. But what we found having looked at the data is that transparency can't be a solution in emergencies. You can't expect someone in the back of an ambulance to get on their iPhone and pull data up."

Then again, you probably won't care very much about the bill if your arm has just fallen off.

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WhiteWhale
WhiteWhale

No one seems to notice that the more the government has gotten involved and distorted the market the more out of control costs have gotten.  This cost shifting has helped kill the middle class and enriched the 1 percent.  And the liberal answer is always more of the same.

txcounsel
txcounsel

One more argument for a universal, single pay healthcare system with upgrades to private facilities and doctors for those that can and want to pay.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

Alright, Donkey is in Spambot mode, this thread has become unreadable.  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Home of America's top fattest cities,Texas abandons mandatory PE for Highschoolers…


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... the public-health implications of being overweight have taken on greater importance. The burgeoning percentage of heavy Americans has economic consequences, too. 


Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and RTI International estimated that health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion, with taxpayers picking up about half of the bill through programs like Medicare and Medicaid.


health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion


health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion


health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion


health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion


TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

I don't begrudge healthcare professionals the incomes that they make for doing jobs that most people don't have the expertise or inclination for. I have some close family in the doctoring business, and frankly, after listening to stories from my sister, it's not something I'd ever want to do. But for the insurance industry to come along and skim yet another level of profit off of the process is downright immoral.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

Recommended reading: "The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care "    Naturally every example of what works in other counties and the opportunity to steal those ideas was completely ignored when designing ACA

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Hey Americlowns, perhaps if you weren't such grotesquely obese pigs, you wouldn't be so damn sick all the time.


             U.S. tops list of countries with most obese citizens: study

The United States is the most obese country in the world with 34% of the adult population classified as obese, according to the latest OECD survey. 


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Hot.Sauce
Hot.Sauce topcommenter

It seems to me that the only part you need to read and address is this;

Health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

It's not possible to rationally discuss the failing U.S.health care system without honestly addressing the fact that 100 million Americans are clinically obese rendering much of their disease and poor health as self-inflicted.

It's hard to feel sympathy for people who make themselves sick then complain about the costs of being sick.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion

health-care costs attributable to obesity reached $75 billion


What part don't you grotesquely obese pigs comprehend?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk Insurance companies care not a fig about your health or mine, or whether we live or die, as long as they are protected by their Republican puppets, and as long as they can find every little excuse and loophole to avoid paying the bill, then they are as happy as pigs in shit.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk ... nonsense. In many countries around the world, Medicine and Physicians are truly professions of SERVICE to society, with salaries and price structures commensurate with military "SERVICE", and not obscene 6 and 7 figure incomes.


Stop the GREED, cap the profits; ... eliminate most of the "problems".

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sotiredofitall ... The Right of the American People to Keep and Bear Ignorance Shall Not Be Infringed!

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay You've got so much hate towards us, why dont you move home, wherever that may be.  

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay So much hate - So much superiority - When is the public library going to take away your access?

Chattering_Monkey
Chattering_Monkey

@bvckvs Coming from the most unemployable piece of work here, this is laughable.  the plan certainly isnt "our" plan, or "your" plan.  Its a plan that in one way or another, you will end up with the same issues as everyone else.  YOu probably signed up for Obamacare, but never paid your premium.  scumbag dipshit.  

jedemas
jedemas

@bvckvs  That's nice for you, but the article says "The report focused on emergency room care, and cited Baylor as one major in-network hospital that works with the three largest state providers -- Humana, BlueCross BlueShield and United Healthcare -- but does not have any in-network emergency room doctors."


The last time I checked, these are not boutique insurance agencies. As it states, these are the largest providers in the state. This is a huge problem for people who think they are covered but because the hospital wants to make more money pulls a fast one on people.


Health care shouldn't be about profits.  It should be about helping people live.

ryan762
ryan762

@bvckvs What is the American Health Care plan? Medicare? Medicaid?

fred.garvin.mp.713
fred.garvin.mp.713

It's not a problem of boutique insurance companies, unless by boutique you mean every insurance company out there.

IMHO
IMHO

@bvckvs It's a problem for those of us who have plans from their employers. So what are we supposed to do?

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Hot.Sauce I got it, and i may even agree with him, but fuck me, the spam like posts get annoying and loses the point after a while

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Let's play a little game.


If the Affordable Health Care Act was passed with the blessings of the Insurance Lobby, AND not a single Republican voted for it, then WHICH party is the "puppets" again?


Myrna?


Which one?



TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @TheCredibleHulk

I think you'll find most of those profits enhancing the lives of insurance executives, lobbyists and politicians.

The insurers are in the business of screwing the patients and the doctors.

The cost of malpractice insurance alone is more than the average person makes in a year.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@ryan762 @bvckvs I believe he means, running up exceedingly high health care bills, and then filing for bankruptcy.  You know, the American way!!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@IMHO "It's a problem for those of us who have plans from their employers. So what are we supposed to do?"


Sucks to be a Wage Slave chasing the imaginary "American Dream", don't it?


Now get back to work for your Corporate Masters!


Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@IMHO  Employers should not be expected to be in the business of insuring their employees, and the practice has made a huge mess of our healthcare system.  National Insurance for all is the way to go, the sooner the better.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sotiredofitall ... eat some more food, and ignore the $75 BILLION -- $75,000,000,000.00 -- in obesity related health care costs that you're continually whining about, you gluttonous pig.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@bvckvs @jedemas 

Anyone and everyone who's an American citizen can sign up for ObamaCare.

really? and what insurer issues the policy for "ObamaCare" that you refer to?

(I seriously believe that you do not understand the insurance policies are done by companies such as Cigna, Blue Cross, Aetna, Humana or United etc.)

fred.garvin.mp.713
fred.garvin.mp.713

@bvckvs @fred.garvin.mp.713 You may want to read the article. Patients do not get to pick doctors like anesthesiologists or pathologists, to name a few. 

But it is not certain what you mean by "boutique" insurance companies, as you are describing how nearly every insurance company operates; maybe you are referring to commercial insurance (??), which is typically worse though. I think that just goes to show how complex the market is, as most people are pretty confused as to how it all works.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @IMHO It may shock some people, but I agree wholeheartedly with this.  As much as I abhor the final product of the ACA, my biggest gripe with President Obama is he caved in to the Insurance industry and dropped the National Single-payer plan.

He did get the ball rolling, and I give him props for that.  No other Pol had the balls to do it.  The idea now is to keep it rolling, not to try to roll it back. (Hear that Republicans).  You can't make progress by backing up.

Like the rest have said however, due to his caving in on single payer, i ended up losing my employer provided healthcare.  It got too expensive.  Now I've got a bare bones insurance package and meager VA tier-6 benefits.

Chattering_Monkey
Chattering_Monkey

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @IMHO Hey Cat, people who work for reputable companies or owners are fucked, we have no choice.  Try pricing a plan with the income and same coverage I have now, and it more than doubles a month what I pay now.  NO THANKS.  Go suck on some more catnip

IMHO
IMHO

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @IMHO TheCredibleHulk is right ... you are talking about what should be ....or what you think should be. But the for the immediate here and now those of us w/ employer based insurance are caught in the middle.  You can't switch from one paradigm to a vastly different one without thinking this through. 

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@RTGolden1

Yes. What should have been comprehensive reform of the mangled, strangled, burdensome way that we finance healthcare in this country just turned out to be another fat, wet mouth-kiss from Obama & Co. to the insurance cartels.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @IMHO


First-world problems.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @DonkeyHotay @ScottsMerkin


Skim-milk goat cheese ... on gluten-free crackers.


Now go eat like a pig and make yourself even fatter while kvetching about your poor health and the cost to treat your self-inflicted suffering.


Shall we call you a WHAAAAAmbulance?


mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@bvckvs 

ahh, so I am correct, you have no idea what you mean when you say "an American citizen can sign up for ObamaCare"

you have zero understanding of how health insurance is provided in America.

actually, that is not accurate, you have a complete misunderstanding of how health insurance is provided in America.

thanks for playing.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 

you better watch those gluten-free crackers...they could add on extra pounds.

There is no scientific evidence to show that eliminating gluten promotes weight loss. Many gluten-free products may have the same, if not more calories than products with gluten. Often times, gluten-free products have added sugar or fat mixed into the substitute flour to make the item more palatable leading to higher calories.

http://www.uwhealth.org/nutrition-diet/the-reality-behind-gluten-free-diets/31084

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@DonkeyHotay  Do I understand your logic to be that since no Rebubs voted for ACA that it is their fault that the Dem's pushed through a fucked up bill?  Seriously?  Is that your key point?

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @TheCredibleHulk

The money behind the scenes in congress holds no allegiance to party.

They are all guilty of selling the American public down the river on healthcare finance reform.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@bvckvs 

LMAO! you actually used the "tantrum" deflection?

amazing, you really don't know how much people laugh at you when you do this?

I guess we should be happy you didn't misuse "tantric" again..

regardless, your failure is exposed.

great job!

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 

donkey, I have a daughter with celiac. been living with the gluten free diet for over 7 years.

going without gluten has zero benefit to one's weight.

there are many positives to being gluten free, especially for those who have issues with digestion of gluten.

but weight loss? zero benefit. do not believe the hype.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@mavdog "going without gluten has zero benefit to one's weight."


Nonsense. Imagine how fat you'd be if you still ate all the white bread, pasta and processed wheat products?


It's impossible to ditch the gluten alone without also ditching the associated unhealthy foods and products it is traditionally present in, so net health and weight loss benefit = YES!


Your quibbling skills are slacking. 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 

Imagine how fat you'd be if you still ate all the white bread, pasta and processed wheat products?

but you can buy gluten free white bread, pasta and processed gluten free products...

and many of the gluten-free flours substituted for gluten flour- specifically potato flour, tapioca flour, rice flour and corn flour- are all high glycemic carbs.

high glycemic is a contributor to weight gain. bad for your heart.

do not believe the hype.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 

Potato Flour GI = 95

Rice Flour GI = 95

white bread gluten free GI = 90

tapioca flour GI = 85

hth

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 

are those links meant to support your position? or support mine?

they do the later...

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