Dallasites without Voter IDs Are Generally Poor, Non-White and -- Surprise! -- Democrats

Like vote fraud, prosecutorial misconduct is not a widespread problem in the US, but just a single instance of that misconduct gave us Obamacare. (not discounting the fraud, of course)

Americans of all stripes support it, even Europe and the UN support it.

And there's no need to worry, democrats, because elections are stolen on the wholesale level - let the right win this meaningless battle, you can still be crooked as hell, nothing will change.

Requiring Voters to show a picture ID: A solution in search of a problem.

"We have not seen voter ID in a high turnout election...."  should read: 'We have not seen a high turnout election yet.'

Other thing I noticed, since I live in those poor, minority, democrat environs is there is a plethora of thriving liquor stores everywhere those maps show a lack of photo ID.

@Catbird 

I'm sure that you apply the same logic to the use of the death penalty, right?

If only one innocent person is stopped from being executed, it is worth doing away completely with the death penalty. The integrity of the justice system must be secured.

@mavdog

The great majority of the country backs photo ID, including a majority of a Blacks and Latinos, so opposing it is both anti-American and racist.

@RTGolden1 

Well, when the norm is less than 20% ...

@KTOM Dead people don't need photo IDs.  They just need to be registered to vote.

@KTOM ... spoken like a good little government sycophant.

@tdkisok

Wonderful video, what's it about?

@mavdog @Catbird I'm on the record for that position, actually.  I have no moral objections to capital punishment, but I don't trust our incompetent justice system with it.

@TheRuddSki 

you make an interesting but intellectually dishonest argument.

@tdkisok

Read twice, post once, look smarter.

@mavdog

Well, Mav, let's just say you're out of the mainstream of progressive America.

@Guest @everlastingphelps @KTOM http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2010/09/citizens-group-uncovers-massive-voter-fraud-in-harris-county/

@TheRuddSki 

thank you for the compliment, I strive to live outside of every possible "mainstream".

@DerpDudeTX @knoxharrington http://www.bornfreeusa.org/b4a2_exotic_animals_state.php?s=tx

Do you people have any idea how to use google?

@everlastingphelps 

and the requirement of an ID would have prevented the Harris County fraud attempt how?

ANSWER: it wouldn't.

@tdkisok

It's a variation of the Carpenter's Rule, suggesting how to avoid dumb mistakes like your response to mavdog.

@mavdog

Oh yeah, I forgot. You're a an Obama apologist, a real maverick.

@knoxharrington 

Voter rolls should be scrubbed at set intervals

I agree with you 100%.

Just think if all of this time, effort and money were devoted to ensuring the voter rolls were correct, instead of the time, effort and money spent on this unneeded issue of an ID, how much the fraud would be prevented.

voting fraud occurs thru absentee ballots as a rule.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps Wait, I thought you said earlier that vote fraud didn't exist?  Now you are admitting that it was attempted in Harris Co?

@lolotehe @everlastingphelps @Guest @KTOM Wait no longer, lazy unable-to-google person:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/story?id=17213376

"Reyna Almanza and her son strolled into the Progreso, Texas, school board election in 2009 just like 1,100 of their neighbors, cast their ballots and left. But hours later Almanza took her son back to the polls, where he used his incarcerated brother's name to vote a second time, breaking election laws and landing both mother and son in court."

@TheRuddSki 

an "apologist"? nope, that would require something to apologize for....

and that's a "Dallas Mavericks" btw.

@mavdog @knoxharrington Except, of course, for all those time that it doesn't, which don't happen except when they do.

Right?

@everlastingphelps 

where did you see me say "vote fraud didn't exist"?

I'll be waiting...

@everlastingphelps 

so Reyna Almanza and her son were caught and taken to court for their voter fraud attempt, even with the fact there wasn't a law on the books for a voter ID?

so the voter ID law is not needed, the prior set of laws were sufficient to catch someone attempting to portray themselves as someone they were not?

thanks.

@everlastingphelps

when you can show that voter fraud would be removed with the ID requirement, let me know.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps "Voter ID laws are just not necessary, there isn't an existing problem that requiring an ID would solve."

http://mvn.io/1rvu72R

@mavdog @everlastingphelps Yes people, Mavdog really is this dishonest (he's not that stupid.)

His first argument is that you don't need voter ID because no one is committing vote fraud at the polls.

Then, when you start convicting people that you manage to catch, he claims that you don't need voter ID because you are already catching people at the polls.

He's fucking shill -- no matter what happens, he doesn't want vote fraud at the polls caught, and will oppose any effort to stop it.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps Is the standard now that any law passed will completely solve a problem?  Because if I can hold you to that with all the other laws you want, I'll gladly cede voter ID in a horse-trade.

@everlastingphelps 

so you couldn't find my ever saying "vote fraud didn't exist"?

thanks for admitting your error.

@everlastingphelps 

can't come to terms with your posting an article that defeats your position? live with it.

the requirement of every voter producing an ID in order to vote is punitive on the voters, with a goal of stopping fraud  that by all accounts isn't a problem.

unfortunately for the advocates of the voter ID, there isn't a verified need for the ID requirement.

live with that truth, and I know that is really, really difficult as you ignore truth as a habit.

@everlastingphelps 

Is the standard now that any law passed will completely solve a problem?

no, the "standard" should be that there needs to be a problem for there to be an additional law enacted. voter fraud is already against the law.

in person voter inpersonation is not a problem, therefore there is not a need for a law to be passed placing a burden on every voter.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps Yeah, because no one reading this comment thread knows how English actually works.  Because if they do, they can read what you wrote then, and what you are writing now, and realize that you are a despicable lair who lies whatever lie he thinks is convenient today.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps Man, I was hoping to see a brand new lie, instead of just going back to the original lie.  You're losing your touch.

@mavdog "...no, the "standard" should be that there needs to be a problem for there to be an additional law enacted. voter fraud is already against the law...."

Would you agree then, that we dont need more gun control laws and immigration reform, we just need to enforce those laws we have on the books?

@everlastingphelps 

seriously, you aren't that stupid, right?

apparently you are...it wouldn't surprise anyone who has read your posts.

@everlastingphelps 

keep digging that hole you are in. by all accounts you're more than 6 feet deep.

@RTGolden1 

Would you agree then, that we dont need more gun control laws and immigration reform, we just need to enforce those laws we have on the books?

I believe the current gun laws do not go far enough to verify the purchaser of a gun is not disqualified. There should be more diligence in determining the people who rightfully should be restricted- the mental unstable, the criminals- are prevented from as easy access as they have today. So to me there is a "problem" with the current gun laws, the loophole that is exploited.

There is no need for additional immigration laws IMHO, in fact I am an outlier here, I want fewer immigration laws. I am an advocate for easier immigration to America. Our country needs to welcome those who desire to relocate in order to improve their and their family's lives. Immigration benefits our country.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps Let's parse it:

" there isn't an existing problem"

Hmm.  What problem could we be talking about?  Overtoasted bread?  Perhaps something about the Cowboys offensive line?  Oh, wait, this may help explain it:

"Voter ID laws"

Ok, so the subject -- the thing "problem" is referring to, is the problem that "voter ID laws" would solve, which must be... voter fraud.  So, what you MUST HAVE BEEN SAYING IS:

 "there isn't [voter fraud] that requiring an ID would solve."

Since requiring an ID would solve some in person voter fraud, that is the only thing you could be saying.

Otherwise, please explain for us poor native English speakers what you decided today that you meant to say then and instead of saying what you actually said.

@mavdog @RTGolden1 I can see the merit in both of those points of view.

@everlastingphelps @mavdog 

wow, you are resorting to parsing a comment to make a point?

good god, that is about as low and dishonest a person can get.

you should be ashamed of yourself

but I'm sure you're not, as honor and integrity are clearly absent in your world.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps It's the only way to deal with lying sophistry.

When you try to run from your own arguments by denying that you said what you said, I have to parse it to show that you indeed did say what you said.

BTW, I notice that you only attack the method, and show no place where I am wrong (because you can't.)

@everlastingphelps

 It's the only way to deal with lying sophistry.

you shouldn't be so hard on yourself, yes you are guilty of lying but you surely are not a sophist.

being a  sophist requires some level of thoght which you clearly lack.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps Again, not a refutation, just a personal ad hominem attack on me.

@everlastingphelps 

"a refutation"??? of your taking a sentence I wrote and parsing it to make your point?

that's funny. very disturbing in your dishonesty, but the absurdity is very funny.

@mavdog @everlastingphelps All insult, no explanation.

For you people keeping score at home, that means he is out of arguments.

@everlastingphelps 

why should I need to have an "argument"?

the sentence ""Voter ID laws are just not necessary, there isn't an existing problem that requiring an ID would solve." is accurate.

now, without parsing, show that it isn't accurate.

I'll be waiting...

btw someone complaining about "ad hominem attack" when you started with the comment "a despicable liar who lies whatever lie he thinks" is quite revealing about your intellect.

@mavdog There is an existing problem.  That problem is in person voter fraud, voting with the name of another person.  This law (along with prosecution) would solve that problem.

@everlastingphelps 

There is an existing problem

"A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent."

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/11/13236464-new-database-of-us-voter-fraud-finds-no-evidence-that-photo-id-laws-are-needed