Philip Kingston Starts the Drumbeat to End Red Light Cameras in Dallas

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Yousuf Fahimuddin
The problem, according to City Council member Philip Kingston, is that red light cameras seek to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

"[Red light cameras] are based on two fallacies," Kingston says. "The first is that there are a bunch of people out there who intentionally run red lights. Those people almost don't exist; maybe they do exist, but it's a vanishingly small number. Then, the second fallacy is that writing a ticket would change their minds if they're that kind of person."

In response to a presentation to the Dallas City Council's public safety committee about extending the city's current red light contract, Kingston suggested doing things that will actually cause fewer people to run red lights, like extending yellow light times, a tactic that has led to fewer violations, and fewer wrecks, in other cities.

According to the presentation, made by city staff without their having read any of the major studies on red light cameras, there have been decreases in crashes, injuries and deaths at the 31 Dallas intersections sporting the cameras. Kingston acknowledges the declines, but says the numbers are statistically insignificant.

"Nobody's looked at [any studies]. The only thing they do is track a very small number of intersections here in town. They claim a reduction in accidents, but there's no way to tie those to the cameras," he says. "They don't analyze causation at all. The minute you put any academic rigor to it, all of these claims evaporate."

City staff is urging the extension of the contract signed in 2006 rather than seeking a new contract. The Legislature passed a law in 2007 that forbids cities from dinging the credit reports of people who don't pay red light ticket fines. Agreements signed by cities before that year are exempt from the restriction, allowing Dallas to mark scofflaws' credit reports. If the contract changes, the only enforcement mechanism left to the city will be vehicle registration blocks.

Even with the threat of a lower credit scored to drivers, some 35 percent of tickets issued eventually go into collections, making the program more trouble than it's worth, Kingston says.

"It's not working. We're having to overfund what we thought we where going to have to fund because it doesn't generate [as much revenue as expected]."

The staff recommendations were accepted by the committee over Kingston's objections, but he hopes to round up enough votes from the full council to get rid of the cameras or at least substantially change the next enforcement contract.

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donaldson1
donaldson1

Time to join other TX cities like Baytown, College Station, Houston and others WHO TOOK DOWN THE RLC!


Or at least let the voters have a chance to vote!



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jcwconsult
jcwconsult

NO city should ever deal with Redflex.


http://www.fbi.gov/chicago/press-releases/2014/former-redflex-ceo-liaison-and-chicago-official-indicted-for-alleged-corruption-in-citys-red-light-camera-contracts
Federal indictments for fraud and bribery against former Redflex CEO, a contractor for Redflex, and a Chicago official.  If the charges are proven in the federal court, convictions can carry some serious prison time.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-11/news/ct-met-redflex-scandal-fallout-20130412_1_corruption-scandal-redflex-officials-red-light-camera-contract
Reporting a $2,000,000 bribery scandal in Chicago.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/03/jefferson_parish_stoplight_fin.html
Officials voting to give back whatever is left of $19.7 million in escrowed Redflex fines after the lawsuits are settled, due to the corrupt way Redflex won the contract in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana.

http://q13fox.com/2014/01/27/report-red-light-camera-operator-bribed-officials-in-multiple-states/#axzz2wF694c2
Former Redflex executive Aaron Rosenberg's court filing documents improper gifts and bribes in 13 other states, including California.


http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/44/4418.asp
US Labor Department rules Redflex fired Americans and hired Australians

James C. Walker, Life Member - National Motorists Association

russ.linton
russ.linton

Redflex officials who were signatories to the contracts here in Denton have all been caught and implicated in a bribery scandal which, according to one of them, extends nationwide. (Aaron Rosenberg and Karen Finley)


This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money. I have emails between the officer in charge of the program here in Denton and Redflex employees where they are concerned about falling revenue. In the emails, the officer is telling the Redflex officer that new state laws regulating the cameras cut into their bottom dollar (changing the stop line and mandating longer yellows) and then in the local paper he's telling the press the drop in revenue is because the program is "working" and drivers are running red lights less.


Then, guess what? The revenues start a steady incline once again. Guess all those drivers "forgot". 


Accidents here have doubled or more at the intersections for which we have full before and after data. Officers have told the public that accidents have decreased only by lying about the data itself - they compare 18 months of "before" data to 12 months of "after" data.


It's a complete scam from top to bottom so a foreign corporation can pick your pocket and it is all conveniently rubber stamped by our very own law enforcement and a sham "hearing" system run by Redflex trained hearing officers. A system that circumvents 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights to streamline money collection.


Forget Dallas, these cameras need to come down everywhere. http://freedenton.wordpress.com

Gangy
Gangy

We must elect more Council Members in May who have the critical thinking skills to truly analyze policies and "solutions".  They don't have to be as smart as Philip, just inclined to think critically and question what is brought before them.

Guest
Guest

Many pickup trucks/SUV's drive like assholes in Dallas.

Art_Carnage
Art_Carnage

What incredibly short memories people have.  Ten years ago, Beltline @ Midway was a major death trap due to red light runners. The excepted procedure at a traffic light in Dallas was: wait for light to turn green; wait for the people running the red light to get through the intersection; cross your fingers and proceed through the intersection. This had a self-perpetuating effect. It took longer to get through an intersection, because you could not proceed as soon as the light turned green. The extra time required increased the frustration of drivers, who then were more likely to try and "make the light" well past the point where they should. And the cycle would continue.

This has changed dramatically since the introduction of the cameras, and if they're removed, it won't be long before we're right back where we were. Is it perfect? No. But the answer is to fix what problems exist. You don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

jcwconsult
jcwconsult

Mr. Kingston is right, the cameras provide little or no safety benefit - they are about money and should be abolished.  Dallas residents need to contact every council member to demand that the camera program be ended.  Get ready to vote out every official who supports the money grab cameras.


James C. Walker, Life Member - National Motorists Association

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Find out who Redflex bribed.

Here in Chicago there's a big lawsuit about the scandal. We've got Xerox running the scam now. 

And Rahm has given tacit approval to reduce amber signal times to below the accepted 3 second interval, all in the name of revenue.

He's got speed cameras up near all the parks and schools, with the caveat that "it's for the children".

It's really just for the money. The biggest problem is we now have a bunch of old people and immigrants that never go over 20 anywhere because he's got them terrified of getting a ticket. Traffic is at a constant crawl even on lightly trafficked roads.


OxbowIncident
OxbowIncident

Lengthening the yellow light times makes the most sense of all, particularly in the denser areas of Dallas. Not just for cars going through intersections, but bikes and pedestrians who are attempting to cross them. Mockingbird and Matilda Bridge comes to mind.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

I echo this sentiment, and the reason is a personal experience in Carrollton. Driving under 30 mph, I went through a signal light that was on Yellow, partially held up by a car in front of me where the stupid woman was on her phone and suddenly stopped in the middle of the intersection. 


Sure enough, in about ten days, I got a ticket for running a red light.  I tried to explain what happened, but they could have cared less. It was either pay the ticket or go to court and be fined even more PLUS court costs. 


Even my lawyer advised me to pay it, and be done with it, as a practical matter. 


Had a policeman been watching the intersection, there is no question the officer would have ticketed the woman, and not me.


One of my neighbors just a few weeks earlier, got a ticket for a red light violation and a warning about speeding.  This very nice elderly lady has never before had a ticket, and was devastated to get one.  She neither ran the red light nor was speeding.  (She's never sped in her life...trust me on that.)


It's time to end this legal extortion and return signal lights to normal traffic controls not timed to capture drivers and take their money.

lebowski300
lebowski300

Screw America. This shit isn't working.

Tim.Covington
Tim.Covington

I agree with him about red light cameras not stopping people from running red lights in general. It does stop them from running red lights at intersections with cameras. But, the truth is that red light cameras are about generating revenue, not promoting public safety.

What promotes public safety is cops out on patrol and pulling people over for doing things like running red lights, improper lane changes, and other traffic infractions. That requires more spending. And, you are not likely to generate enough revenue to cover the cost of having that many cops out on traffic duty.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Just put up camera housings only, or maybe one in thirty w/real cams like a shell game, if revenue is not the driver behind their use.

Look at the cost savings and the lack of monitoring and repair work!

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Red light cams can keep cities in the black, but speed cams can reach more of the lucrative German sports car customer demographic.

(And then we have plate-scanning cams. If you're entering or leaving Longboat Key or Palm Beach, the authorities know about that unpaid Ohio speeding ticket from 2009.)

Today, there are 502 [red light cam] programs, a decrease of about seven percent.

Conversely, growth in speed-camera programs remains steady. Over the past three years, the number of speed-camera programs has grown from 115 to 140 today, according to IIHS, an increase of 21.7 percent.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/10/13/red-light-camera-use-declines-speed-cameras-rise-video/

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

"It's not working. We're having to overfund what we thought we where going to have to fund because it doesn't generate [as much revenue as expected]."


And that right there is the problem.  If its really about safety, why are we even talking about spending too much on them?  Safety has no price.  Obviously though, to all these cities, its about revenue.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Another fallacy is the politicians's statistical use of lives saved.  

Changing out stop lights with stop signs would save lives.

Forcing people into mass transit would save lives.

Abolishing parking lots would save lives.

Getting rid of red light cameras would reduce revenue.

Besides.  If you don't run red lights, what are you afraid of, right?

I'm afraid my government has traded a another snippet of my liberty for just a wee bit more revenue, without the consent of the people.

jcwconsult
jcwconsult

@Gangy And to NOT be swayed by things like the level of money grab revenue from things like red light cameras.  Money should NOT trump justice.


James C. Walker, Life Member - National Motorists Association

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

@Guest

Many assholes drive pickup trucks/SUVs in Dallas.


There, fixed. And I cleaned up the punctuation as well.

jcwconsult
jcwconsult

@Art_Carnage   Adding one second to the yellow and all-red intervals would almost certainly reduce violations and crashes by MORE than cameras. The problem with that approach is that it produces $0.00 money grab dollars.


James C. Walker, Life Member - National Motorists Association

russ.linton
russ.linton

@Art_Carnage If your baby is a blood-sucking leech feeding overseas corporations through circumventing constitutional rights and due process then yeah, you throw it out.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Montemalone

We've got Xerox running the scam now.

That's gotta be costly, getting multiple copies of each ticket.

Mervis
Mervis

@noblefurrtexas Did you see the video replay of either incident? 

I got caught for not making a complete stop before turning right on red. In my mind I thought I did. When I saw the video on the city's website I immediately wrote the check. There was no arguing what the camera saw.

buckbucky
buckbucky

Says the guy with two outstanding warrants.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@Mervis @noblefurrtexas Yes, and that's when I really got...er....peaved. 


The video didn't show what they said it did, but they stood by the video as though it did photograph me entering the intersection after the red light was on.  They pretend like you can't challenge technology as though it never fails. 


This is a scam and extortion. I thought about getting a dash cam for my car, but that seemed excessive.  I just stopped doing business with the two suppliers in Carrollton, and made it plain why. 



jcwconsult
jcwconsult

@Mervis @noblefurrtexas 

Just remember that right on red turns, with or without a full stop, almost never cause crashes - those tickets are a money grab.

James C. Walker, Life Member - National Motorists Association

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@bvckvs @Tim.Covington it is about funding the company running the camera.  That is who you pay the ticket to, not the city.  In order to increase revenue's the company alters the yellow light timing continuously.  I have sat and timed the yellows at Buckner and Bruton, from nearby parking, and clocked differences from 2-4 seconds on varying days at varying times.  The only reason anyone would dick with the timing of the yellow's is to increase violations.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@bvckvs @Tim.Covington It isn't about preventing crime, because when the cameras lose money, they yank them out or disable them.


If we really wanted to improve safety, all the studies agree that lengthening the yellow is the biggest improvement to safety you can make.  Instead, because these are about revenue, they shorten the yellow to make more revenue.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki 

the "fears of libertarian anti-statism" would be applicable if he actually knew what "libertarian" meant.

Calling Kingston's positions as "dumbass libertarian" tells everyone he doesn't.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@jcwconsult @Mervis @noblefurrtexas The timing of the gap between the yellow and red is way too short.  And, that's, in part, one of the ways they get to you. 


I'm all for effective traffic controls.  We have some of the worst, and most selfish, drivers on the planet.  But,  this is not my idea of good visitor relations.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

The Evangilists escaped blame this time.

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