Uncertainty about the Path of a Dallas Company's Toll Road Worries Property Owners

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via North Texas Council of Governments
At some point next year, a Dallas-based toll company may get permission from the Texas Department of Transportation to build the only toll road in Texas that is totally supported by private finance. The exact route is something that the Texas Turnpike Corp. is still figuring out, but rural property owners who might be in the way are worried, because the TTC, though private, is legally able to use eminent domain.

"The law gives Texas Turnpike Corp. the ability to negotiate and ultimately pay a fair market price for property that is for public use," the company says in a recent presentation. Though a 1991 state law bans the creation of private toll companies, the TTC was formed shortly before it went into effect, allowing the TTC to retain the special power of kicking people off their own land if a project promises to be really awesome for the rest of the public.

On the plus side, the TTC says that it's at least still subject to Senate Bill 18, the law Governor Rick Perry signed in 2011 that is supposed to make eminent domain more difficult and costly for government agencies trying to take land.

The North Texas Council of Governments has determined that we need another tollway -- everywhere! -- but specifically in this case in an area they identified as the Blacklands Corridor. The Texas Turnpike Corp. wants to step up and be the company to build that proposed tollway. NTCOG says that the TTC is the only private developer willing to take on the project so far.

The proposed route of the TTC's Northeast Corridor Gate Project would run from the Interstate 30 in Hunt County to the George Bush Turnpike in Dallas County, possibly hitting up Rockwall and Collin County on the way. The giant red circle that the TTC has drawn on a map as its proposed route leaves open way too many possibilities for local governments to feel comfortable.

"We'd like to be able to tie the sort of spaghetti lines on the map to some properties and to some real locations on the ground," says Rockwall City Manager Rick Crowley. The Rockwall City Council last month passed a resolution opposing the tollway, at least until the city learns what the actual route will be.

Neal Barker, a project developer at the TTC, says his company plans to present a more precise map sometime in November. Then, in spring 2015, after a few more public hearings, the company plans to present its environmental assessment to the public. Sometime later in 2015, though Barker isn't sure of the actual month, the TTC will submit its application to the Texas Transportation Commission.

As far as which properties will be subject to eminent domain, "I know that everyone really wants to know it," Barker says, "but we don't know it yet."

The North Texas Council of Governments had scheduled a meeting to discuss the project on September 4, at an elementary school in Lavon, but the fire marshal ruled that the hundreds of people who showed up posed a hazard, and the meeting was called off. The NTCOG rescheduled the meeting for September 22 at Rockwall's performing arts center, a place we assume is a lot bigger than the school.

"If we continue to have several hundred people interested," in coming to meetings, Barker says, "then we need to take the time to address people's concern. Somehow, we're not communicating well enough."

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squeakywheel88
squeakywheel88

It has nothing to do with commuter traffic. Even if Greenville’s population doubled in the next 20 years to 50K (which now I know why it will), a tollroad cannot by sustained and profitable by a city of 50K.  It has to do with huge tracts of land that The Walton Group Inc from Canada  has purchased on the south side of Greenville and there are plans to develop thousands of houses there. This toll road is about nothing but the players involved devising a way to get the building materials there and make a profit off of that too. If you go back and listen to the meeting they had with the Rowlett City Council they admit they see it as mainly being truck traffic. Now I know why, and it is just another part of the scheme of them lining their pockets at our expense. Think about all of the noise and particulate pollution that will be for the city of Rowlett. There is so much political cronyism and back scratching going on with this between members of the NCTCOG, Public Werks Inc (TTA) and the Walton Group, that even I can see it.

mmcquinn1
mmcquinn1

Now that we have privatized highway construction, we will likely be seeing much more of this in  the future.

Tipster1908
Tipster1908

If having hundreds of people interested in a process by which the government will confiscate land from private property owners is considered a "flaw", then it is time to re-think whether this project is worthwhile. All signs point to NO. 

As a practical matter, could this system of overcrowding public meetings serve to delay stupid projects like this one? If they are legally required to have these meetings with the public before a project goes through, and too many people show up and the fire marshal has to cancel the meeting, can't the project just be delayed indefinitely? I guess eventually they will hold the event at Fair Park and call it a day, but it would be interesting (or just depressing?) watching them ignore hundreds of people over and over again.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

"NTCOG says that the TTC is the only private developer willing to take on the project so far."

According to the previous paragraph, there are the only ones who can due to the 1991 law.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

There is a ton of development going on along the Hwy 78 corridor right at the moment. It is no-stop construction from the eastern edge of Wylie well past Hwy 205 and thru Lavon. What was once a sort of rural and scenic little drive in the country out to Farmersville is quickly becoming another arm of 6-lane suburban sprawl.

The amount of traffic carried by that clogged artery must have those developers licking their chops over the tolls those folks would be willing to pay to get out of that muck. 

Anon.
Anon.

From the article:

NTCOG says that the TTC is the only private developer willing to take on the project so far.

"If we continue to have several hundred people interested," in coming to meetings, Barker says, "then we need to take the time to address people's concern. Somehow, we're not communicating well enough."

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Ok, the first quote is an outright lie. Public Werks and the TTC are the ones who dreamed up this shenanigan. This was not initiated by the NCTCOG or Michael Morris. When the TTC (which looks a lot like Trans Texas Corridor...) started shopping this thing around, Michael Morris jumped on it with both feet in order to get it under his control.

Now to the second point, Mr. Barker gets it all wrong. His statement makes it clear he has no regard for the opinions of the folks whose property he want to condemn. It is clear the the TTC, Public Werks, and Michael Morris are communicating just fine and the affected folks understand perfectly well what's going on. Mr. Barker simply refuse to acknowledge the validity of their informed opinions.

Shame on Michael Morris and shame on Mr. Barker. Of course that assumes they have any shame to begin with, which is an open question.

By the way, this is the same outfit that pitched the idea of a toll tunnel under Highland Park along the route of Mockingbird. They are a roadway developer in search of a project. This is just their latest ploy to create a project they can sell to someone else. They have no experience actually building anything.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

The best way to figure out which of the many routes will be selected is to look at the major landowners along each route who have ties to the TTC.

RustyShackleford
RustyShackleford

I used to wonder how to get rid of Michael Morris of the North Texas Council of Governments. Now I'm just wondering how to get rid of the North Texas Council of Governments.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

I'm worried - one of those routes runs right over my little farm. 

ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb topcommenter

Why? I30 to PGBT in garland is almost as direct.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul

That is not making me feel better. I sit at the edge of a very large parcel of open land owned by someone with a pretty prominent name In Collin Co.

I think I'll consult the Google . . .

Anon.
Anon.

Two words: Sunset Review.

Anon.
Anon.

Then you need to be attending these meetings.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@ozonelarryb

Lots of McMansions going up out near Lavon and Nevada.

Lots of time-strapped commuters looking for a quicker route to the North Dallas / Plano area.

Anon.
Anon.

Exactly. The obvious solution is to improve I30 with continuous service roads across the lake. Mr. Morris has unilaterally ruled out that option for reasons known only to himself.

WaitWhat
WaitWhat

@ozonelarryb Yeah, just from that little map, you can see it runs parallel to an existing interstate.

ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb topcommenter

Adding a lane to I30 way more cost effective.

Or, would it be fun to watch a toll road Chapter 7!

ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb topcommenter

This is documented in meeting minutes?

WTF is his plan?

Anon.
Anon.

The bonds sold to pay for the one between Austin and San Antonio already enjoy junk bond status.

Anon.
Anon.

@ozonelarryb:

It is documented in an article in the Dallas Morning News where Tom Shelton says there's no money to improve I30: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/plano/headlines/20140216-proposed-toll-road-wont-follow-rail-right-of-way.ece

"“The idea is to connect Garland to Greenville, and there are people coming down [from Greenville] in the morning for jobs in the metro area,” Shelton said. “There does appear to be some need to travel from one end to the other.”

Interstate 30 makes that connection now, but I-30 “is congested, and there’s not enough money to improve it considerably,” Shelton said."

Mr. Shelton is just saying what Mr. Morris told him to say. Properly interpreted, this comment says that Mr. Morris already has plans for any regional transportation funding that could go to I30, and that his plans do not include allocating that funding to any significant upgrades to I30 east of downtown Dallas.

As to what Mr. Morris may have in mind, who can say? Information pushed out by the RTC and the NCTCOG often mention how the COG needs to be involved in everything from local land use planning on up, including, now, telling the region how to regulate vehicles for hire. It is difficult to try to figure out what Morris is up to now, much less what he might get up to tomorrow.

All that is certain is he masterfully manipulates that 40+ member RTC board of directors and that he has pledged and cross pledged, for decades to come, regional resources to pay for all the highway building you see going on.

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