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A Texas Militiaman Reconsiders the Mission

Charles Gilbert joined the Texas Border Volunteers to "kick some ass," but the group's tactics forced him to do some soul-searching.
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Charles Gilbert in a screen capture from the documentary film They Come to America II.

 

Lots of stuff on Fox News pissed Charles Gilbert off. A self-described “angry white male,” Gilbert watched with dismay as the country went to hell. But there was something about this one story that really got to him: In September 2010, David and Tiffany Hartley were jet-skiing on the Mexican side of Falcon Lake when, according to Tiffany, the couple was ambushed by heavily armed men on a boat. Tiffany said her husband was shot in the head, and the pirates chased her back to the Texas side of the enormous reservoir. His body was never found, but he’s believed to have been killed by members of Los Zetas, a brutal cartel that controls a large swath of Northern Mexico. Gilbert, six-foot-four with a solid build and a military-style haircut, sat on his couch in Canyon Lake watching the grieving widow recount her story and decided he had to do something. Murderous cartels were operating just four-and-a-half hours from his home. Job-stealing illegals, drug-runners, cartel thugs, terrorists—they were all exploiting the Texas-Mexico border and the federal government wasn’t doing jack.

“I decided I wanted to go down to the border and kick some ass,” Gilbert says. “I’m your typical angry white male. I’m conservative. I’m pissed off at the double-standard in the media. I’m that guy.”

A commercial A/C repair supervisor, he’d done a stint in Afghanistan as a KBR contractor and felt he was prepared for the task. He talked to some militia guys but he says he “didn’t get the warm fuzzies that they knew what they were doing.” Then one day, he went to a gun show at Freeman Coliseum in San Antonio and visited a booth for the Texas Border Volunteers, a group based in Brooks County, where hundreds of immigrants trying to circumvent a Border Patrol checkpoint near Falfurrias perish every year. The group struck Gilbert as being professional and he joined in April 2011.

Soon he was spending every spare day in South Texas, looking for bad guys crossing the scorching brushlands.

Charles Gilbert
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Charles Gilbert in the garage where he stores his gear.

Over the next three years, he invested at least $10,000 in equipment. His girlfriend’s garage is filled with the stuff: camo gear, two-way HAM radios, $3,000 worth of night-vision equipment, a camo Polaris ATV, a Yeti cooler with a bumper-sticker reading “Extremely Right-Wing,” books on tracking and avoiding ambushes. He’s still got his handguns and his long guns. He’s still got his vest with the LED flashlights, the first aid kit and the pockets with extra ammo. At first the experience was exhilarating; the sense of mission very real.

“It reminded me of the camaraderie in Afghanistan,” he says. “The sense that we were making a positive contribution.”

For three years, Gilbert devoted almost all of his free time to chasing down undocumented immigrants in South Texas, a weekend warrior with a call of duty to secure the border. But Gilbert saw something in the brush that he hadn’t expected—ordinary human beings struggling, surviving and dying. Sure, there were the sketchy men with MS-13 tattoos. There was the Urdu dictionary that they found, which has now become a fetish object passed around at tea party meetings and flogged on conservative news sites. But mostly he encountered a shambolic parade of humanity, desperate people at the mercy of Border Patrol, the heat, the coyotes and American men in camo. More than 300 immigrants have died in Brooks County in the last three years—a human toll that weighed heavy on Gilbert. And he wondered about the Texas Border Volunteers’ tactics. Were they really securing the border or were they harassing vulnerable people, perhaps even ushering them to a more certain death in the desert? Over time and thought, the spell lifted.

 

Some of Charles Gilbert's gear.
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Some of Charles Gilbert’s gear.

Texas Border Volunteers is run by Mike and Linda Vickers. The couple owns a 1,000-acre ranch in central Brooks County, which serves as a base of operations for their activities. Mike Vickers is a veterinarian who has considerable sway in Brooks County and the ear of influential Republicans, including Gov. Rick Perry, Congressman Michael McCaul, the chair of House Homeland Security, and DPS Director Steve McCraw. Dr. Vickers travels around the state addressing conservative groups about the crisis at the border. Access to the vast private ranchlands of Brooks County is often coordinated by Vickers, who’s a go-to source for reporters from around the world seeking information on illegal immigration in South Texas. The Vickers founded the group in 2006, spun off from the Minutemen, the controversial border-watchers that imploded years ago in an orgy of in-fighting and violence. Texas Border Volunteers claims to have some 300 recruits. Dr. Vickers presents a more moderate image than some of the other, cruder militiamen running around in South Texas. In public presentations and in the media, the Vickers typically describe what the Border Volunteers do as “observe and report”—they use their expertise of the rough terrain of Brooks County’s ranches to patrol for undocumented immigrants and then call Border Patrol to pick them up. On TBV’s website, the group describes its mission as “assisting law enforcement officials with securing the border, upholding the rule of law and educating the general public with regard to immigration issues.” It all sounded pretty good to Gilbert.

Eventually, Gilbert became one of the core members of the Texas Border Volunteers, serving on the board and helping to supervise new recruits. He appears in an agit-prop documentary, They Come to America II: The Cost of Amnesty, explaining to the filmmaker, regular Fox News guest Dennis Michael Lynch, how emergency distress beacons and five-gallon water containers for languishing immigrants come “courtesy of the United States government.”

But as Gilbert became more deeply invested in hunting immigrants, some things he saw started gnawing at him.

“You get down there and you begin to see humanity,” he says. “You can set up here and watch Fox News and say ‘these alien bastards, we need to shut the border down.’ But what I saw coming through Brooks County was humanity.” Once, he says they rescued a pregnant woman in her 20s—tired and desperate—who gave birth hours later while she was in a detention center.

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Another time Border Patrol came across a man in his 40s who looked like he’d gotten off work on a casual Friday. He was walking with an 8-year-old boy who’d been left behind by the coyotes. The man had abandoned his trek to stay with the boy, a stranger, knowing they’d both likely be captured and deported. “He essentially sacrificed himself so the kid wouldn’t be left alone.”

And there were the dead bodies—some 300 corpses have been reported in Brooks County in the last three years alone. Once, Gilbert found a man in his late 20s or early 30s limply resting against a tree. His eyes had been plucked out by vultures. The sight shook him.

“Apparently this country was worth dying for,” he remembers thinking. “I had a hard time not feeling profoundly upset by that.”

He began thinking back to the Falcon Lake shooting. “These people didn’t shoot someone,” he says. “That’s what you heard on Fox News. And all of a sudden you go down there and the world looks completely fucking different. My enlightenment, if you will, is that this is not black and white.”

Then came what’s come to be known as the “shoestring incident.” The details are laid out in a report conducted by Clell Gresham, a retired narcotics cop who grew up in Brooks County. Over the summer, Brooks County Sheriff’s Chief Deputy Benny Martinez tapped Gresham to provide law enforcement oversight.

A group of immigrants, with hands bound and shows removed, detained by the Texas Border Volunteers in April 2013.
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A group of immigrants, with hands bound and shows removed, detained by the Texas Border Volunteers in April 2013.

On April 27, 2013, Gilbert was patrolling a remote part of the 50,000-acre Cage Ranch on an ATV when he got word that another group of Texas Border Volunteers needed assistance. When he arrived, he found a group of six men with their shoes removed and their hands bound with their shoelaces. According to the Gresham investigation, which backs up Gilbert’s account, four TBV members were scouting near an emergency distress beacon in the wilderness when they spotted a large group of people on foot. As they gave chase—what the group calls a “hurry scurry”—the immigrants split into two groups. Two of the border volunteers—Mike Simms, aka “Pacman,” and Derrick Dongog, aka “DD”—gave chase to the smaller of the two groups, some of them teens judging by photos taken at the scene. Finally, Pacman and DD ran the exhausted men to ground. They ordered the men to take off their shoes—a practice adopted from the Border Patrol that makes it difficult for captured immigrants to take off through the hot sand and prickly undergrowth. When one of the men apparently reached for something in his back pocket, Dongog became suspicious and frisked the man, who then handed over his wallet. Others in the group followed suit, handing over wallets and other personal items to Simms and Dongog, which they put into a black trash bag. At some point, Simms and Dongog still “apparently felt some level of fear based on the size of the group and demeanor,” according to the Gresham report, and bound the men’s wrists with their shoelaces.

Soon, TBV president Tom Kile showed up, followed by Gilbert. Kile, according to the report, gave no order to untie the men or return their possessions. About two hours after the whole thing began, Border Patrol arrived on scene to take custody of the immigrants and the black bag with the wallets.

There’s no evidence that any of the men’s wallets were stolen, but the incident apparently caused a stir among the Texas Border Volunteers, Border Patrol and the Brooks County Sheriff’s Office. “This is a serious situation that has left our organization with a black eye,” wrote Linda Vickers in an email to TBV board members obtained by the Observer. “Dr. Vickers spent that Monday morning with the heads of the Falfurrias Border Patrol and then onto the Brooks County Sheriff’s Office. So I am sure you can see the embarrassment that Dr. Vickers and I have had to endure. The law enforcement entities do not believe that anyone of us took anything from these IAs [illegal aliens] but the possibility of allegations from the Mexican Consulate can still be looming in the background. And I imagine that I do not need to mention again the amount of liability that it has put on the unsuspecting landowner.”

Simms and Dongog were each suspended for two watches but some in the group felt that the Vickers were more concerned with PR. The Gresham report claims that “it would appear that [the] Vickers only responded to this incident when Border Patrol contacted them about complaints they had received once the criminal tresspassers [sic] were processed in Falfurrias. My strong suspicion is they had every intention of covering up this incident from Brooks County Sheriff and Presnal Cage.”

Mike Vickers wouldn’t speak to the Observer about the allegations, writing in an email that “as a matter of policy we do not make public comments about claims of former members.” Vickers says the group has “long standing operating procedures that have served us well in our relationship with landowners and law enforcement agencies.”

To other media outlets, Vickers has contrasted TBV with other militia groups, pointing to their policy of requiring new members to provide a concealed handgun license or consent to a background check. Members who broke the rules by, for example, pulling weapons on immigrants, were usually kicked out of the group by the leaders, according to former members.

For Gilbert, the “shoestring incident” led to some soul-searching about TBV’s tactics. For one, group leaders would tell the press that they simply scouted for illegal activity and reported it to authorities. “Everybody knows ‘we just observe and report,’” Gilbert says. “Well, that’s horseshit.”

Instead, away from the eyes of the press, TBV engages in aggressive armed interdiction and detention of immigrants using ATVs and trained dogs. The group’s official policy was to allow members to carry handguns if licensed by the state and “concealed at all times.” But former members say open carry happened regularly and photos show the members had their guns holstered in front of detained groups of immigrants. The reason: a loophole in the group’s policy that allows for open display of a handgun “when in the presence of criminal trespassers.” A handgun can even be withdrawn from the holster “when a specific threat is felt.” But if the authorities show up, the rules change. “When law enforcement agents arrive in an area where TBV members are displaying handguns, either holstered or not, TBV members will conceal their handguns unless requested by the law enforcement agents.”

The Gresham report warned the Brooks County Sheriff’s Office that the combination of aggressive pursuits and the weapons policy is “extremely disturbing and a huge liability for landowners and a recipe for a possible disaster in the field.”

Gresham told the Observer that he’s meeting with the Brooks County district attorney to present a criminal case against the Vickers.

“Taking people into custody like that, it’s against the law,” he says. “These people have done it and gotten away with it for so long they think nobody’s gonna ever call them on it.”

Charles Gilbert (third from left, standing) and another man with holstered firearms.
Charles Gilbert
Charles Gilbert (third from left, standing) and another man with holstered firearms.

Gilbert and others in the group wondered if what they were doing wasn’t unethical, if not illegal. His conclusion: “Texas Border Volunteers operates as a militia in plain sight and no one is calling them on it. They’ve done a good job at suppressing what they do.”

Kevin Cottrell, an Austin entrepreneur who joined TBV in May 2013 and left in April, says he grew uncomfortable with the tactics.

“They’re actually chasing and doing what a law enforcement or government agency would to catch people who have violated immigration. The problem is they have no law that allows them to do it, especially off their ranch.”

“There’s something wrong here with the fact that the Border Patrol is using TBV as an interdiction force,” Cottrell says. “I witnessed that from the very first time I went out from the time that I left the group. They are essentially unlawfully detaining people. That is part of the reason I left.”

Over the summer, new militia groups—much less organized than TBV—began cropping up in the Rio Grande Valley in response to the influx of Central American children and families. After a Border Patrol agent opened fire on a militiaman with a group called Camp Lonestar in Brownsville, the agency put out a statement distancing itself from militia activity. The Border Patrol’s position was fairly unequivocal: “Forced detention can be viewed as a criminal offense and violators will be referred to local, state or federal prosecutors for possible legal action.”

Then there’s the use of dogs. Linda Vickers, as has been reported elsewhere, has a passel of dogs—Blitz, Elsa, Schatten and Tinkerbell—that she’s nicknamed the B.E.S.T. Team and orders around in German. A Newsweek article about TBV, titled “Hunting Humans,” notes that the dogs are “trained to sniff out migrants,” but Gilbert says Vickers will release them to give chase once immigrants are spotted. In a post from Vickers’ Facebook page in June—since made private—she describes taking the dogs on her ATV to look for a group of immigrants in the area. When the dogs catch a scent, they leap out and sprint “full speed and head straight to these 2 illegals.”

Linda Vickers' Facebook page describes how she uses her dogs on immigrants.
Linda Vickers’ Facebook page describes how she uses her dogs on immigrants.

A photo on the Facebook page shows two men perched in a tree. “300 pounds of K9 would and should put you up a tree like it did the guy in red,” she writes. Soon Blitz “smells illegals” nearby and takes off. “Sorry, but it was so funny to see this IA [illegal alien] on one side of the fence running parallel with my dogs on the other side.”

Linda Vickers even composed a song to the tune of “Los Laureles,” a mariachi song made famous by Linda Ronstadt.

AHHHHHHHHH Yo estoy La Cazadora
Do not cross mi rancho
Cause  tu y yo will meet
con mi peros diablo (sung in the deep throaty voice)
then its adios penche vatos
and you go back to the borderrrrr

I am the huntress
Do not cross my ranch
Cause you and I will meet
With my devil dogs
Then it’s goodbye you fucking guys
and you go back to the borderrrrr

Gilbert and Cottrell, who grew close, fear that TBV’s pursuit policy could actually be leading to more deaths. It’s important to understand the geography of Brooks County to understand why: The Border Patrol checkpoint is located 14 miles south of Falfurrias on U.S. 281, about 70 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border. To circumvent the checkpoint undocumented immigrants, led by coyotes, make a treacherous trek through deep sand and deadly summer heat. By the time they reach the ranches of northern Brooks County—where TBV operates—they’re dehydrated and disoriented, sometimes near death. The tragic irony is that many die north of the checkpoint, within reach of their ride to points north. When TBV gives chase, using dogs or ATVs, some give up easily but others manage to escape on foot.

“How many more people died because they’re already dehydrated and now they’re running for their lives from these K-9s?” Cottrell says. “How many more people had to die because they started this process and they just don’t care about human life? They’re criminal trespassers—it’s a misdemeanor—not a sentence for death.”

It all became too much for Gilbert, Cottrell and other members of TBV. Gilbert and about 15 others quit the group in January to form the Texas Border Rescue, a “humanitarian-focused” search and rescue outfit composed primarily of former TBV members. He would use his expertise, his gear, his bravado, to save lives rather than jeopardize them. He even got Eddie Canales, a Prius-driving liberal from Corpus Christi who’s made it his life mission to render aid to the migrants passing through Brooks County, to endorse the group.

Gilbert pitched the idea to Benny Martinez, who is saddled with patrolling 900 square miles with just a handful of full-time deputies. Martinez bit and in June Gilbert and Martinez announced the formation of the Brooks County Sheriff’s Office Rescue Posse in a press release. The Rescue Posse would work with law enforcement to respond to emergency calls and patrol for injured, lost or distressed immigrants. The project had the blessing of Susan Kibbe, executive director of South Texans’ Property Rights Association, a powerful group representing landowners, who said in the press release that the “rescue posse couldn’t come at a better time.”

But then it just fizzled. Gilbert claims the Vickers tried to discredit him and the Rescue Posse by claiming he and Cottrell were involved in a “shake-down” of immigrants during the shoestring incident. Gilbert says the story was concocted, and points to the Gresham report, conducted for Deputy Sheriff Martinez, which “found no evidence” of such a shakedown. (Vickers refused to speak with the Observer about the alleged incident.)

Martinez says he hasn’t read the Gresham report. “I haven’t seen anything. I just know—I haven’t looked at anything. I’ve been busy. I haven’t looked at anything.” But he says there’s a simpler reason the Rescue Posse never took with the big ranches. “What happened is I couldn’t get the landowners to make this program work because of liability issues and the fact that there were civilians coming in.”

Martinez says he can’t comment on the shoestring incident because it happened on private ranchland. Indeed, the sheriff’s office has little interaction with TBV. But Border Patrol does—and that’s perhaps the most enduring question for former TBV members. Does Border Patrol condone TBV? As militia activity has mounted in South Texas, the agency has been pressed to explain its relationship with armed groups. Repeatedly Border Patrol issues a boilerplate statement that it doesn’t “endorse or support any private group or organization from taking matters into their own hands” and has said “forced detention can be viewed as a criminal offense.” But there’s little evidence that Border Patrol has done more than issue statements.

“Border Patrol is complicit in this,” says Gresham. “They’re letting it go by. They know what the law is. They’re not stupid.”

Gilbert thinks about the lives he could be saving. The Texas National Guard is doing some search-and-rescue work in Brooks County now, a welcome relief for Chief Deputy Martinez, but the scale of the humanitarian disaster and the fact that the Guard deployment is only temporary tugs at him. He’s no open-borders type and maintains his conviction that citizens are entitled to report illegal immigration to the authorities, but he sees his calling in a more direct kind of intervention.

“We felt like if we could get out there and save some lives it would be a worthy endeavor,” Gilbert says. “We still do.”

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Forrest Wilder, a native of Wimberley, Texas, is associate editor of the Observer. Forrest specializes in environmental reporting and runs the “Forrest for the Trees” blog. Forrest has appeared on Democracy Now!, The Rachel Maddow Show and numerous NPR stations. His work has been mentioned by The New York Times, the Washington Post, the New Yorker, Time magazine and many other state and national publications. Other than filing voluminous open records requests, Forrest enjoys fishing, kayaking, gardening and beer-league softball. He holds a bachelor's degree in anthropology from the University of Texas at Austin.

  • DavidD

    Is it just me or does it bother anyone else to see “patriots ” in military camo when they never served in the military.I was in the Navy a long time ago and I feel uneasy wearing it because it is something you need to earn the right to wear.Someone gave me a boonie hat that were worn by LRRP’s guys when I was in and I tried it on to be polite but haven’t worn it since.

    • 1bimbo

      what the f*ck does cammo have to do with anything.. there are things called medals and patches that denote someone’s official rank or distinctions in the military.. get over yourself with patterns on clothing

    • Diana Dee

      That feeling you have is integrity. Military gear should be worn by those that have served & earned the right to wear it. Too many people want the feeling of having put in the effort or the sacrifice. Had a coworker that did that & he liked that people thought that he had served. That is disrespectful. I’m the daughter (WWII), sister (Iraq War) & mother of a serviceman (Air Force) I take this deception very seriously.

    • Margon49

      Since camouflage patterns have become a fashion statement for many years, I don’t see how it can upset you. Besides being on every kind of sport hunting accessory and paraphernalia, you can find it on car seats, pillows, dresses, children’s clothing, pet and horse clothing, sneakers, etc.

      • DavidD

        All the same places you can find the American flag and I don’t like that either.I just don’t like the trend for the reasons already stated.
        We substitute form for real content due the greed and self promotion too much in this country now.We cheapen worthy things by making commodities out of them as if love or honor can be reduced to buy and sell..
        There are many things in life you need to earn not buy.

        • MOM

          Bravo!
          It drives me crazy to see “patriotic” displays of the U.S. flag on all kinds of bizarre things from toilet seats to sneakers, and beyond. All of which are in direct violation of the U.S. Flag code and totally, absolutely disrespectful of our nation’s symbol. I cannot wrap my mind around the kind of convoluted thinking that makes these people believe they are being “patriotic” with these displays.
          Good for you for speaking up!

          • DavidD

            Thank you for your kind reply.

      • Robyn Ryan

        And that is the problem.

    • jess123

      I’ve often noted this interesting fact. As an active duty Army veteran myself, I find these yahoos to be particularly offensive and seriously misguided. They couldn’t make it as a soldier in real life, so they play pretend bad-asses to make up for this this shortcoming in the hope of attaining some sort of validity for their lives.

      • Robyn Ryan

        As a retired military officer, I strongly object to military wearing combat uniforms outside of the theater of operations. Killing clothes should be reserved for the killing field. PTSD is bad enough without being surrounded by reminders while Stateside. The ‘dress like a warrior/think like a warrior’ theory of military readiness was spawned by the fashionista generals of the 1980s and 90s. Their thirst to be mistaken for studly Rambos spawned the Army beret, the flight suit frenzy and the Navy camouflage uniform. The last item, a bizarre mix of black, blue and white, seems designed to ensure that sailors are invisible when they fall into the water. Unfortunately, the emphasis on ‘looking good’ over military competence lured our couture crazed brass into invading the ‘Graveyard of Empires.’ The civilian love affair with dressing like shrubbery as a sign of virility is a mark of cultural decadence.

        • Talon Florig

          “The civilian love affair with dressing like shrubbery as a sign of virility is a mark of cultural decadence”

          Hands down the best thing I’ve read on the internet in a long, long time.

          • Robyn Ryan

            Thanks…

    • blakektn

      I spent 24 years in the US Army, all of it in combat arms. I’m entitled to wear the Combat Infantryman’s Badge on appropriate occasions. Most of the guys in these militia organizations seem to be people who never had what it takes to volunteer for military service where they might actually have to put their lives on line for the nation. Doing this sort of crap makes them feel all manly and important, but, as the article points out, what they are mostly doing is chasing down people who are tired, hurting and dehydrated, and then abusing them once they catch them. We used to have a term for people who beat up on people who can’t fight back, and it wasn’t a nice term at all.

      You will have noticed, haven’t you, that none of these militias are offering to go over to the Middle East and help the Kurds fight ISIS? Says a lot, right there.

      • https://www.facebook.com/jimijamz3 Jet Tramel

        Amen Blaketin, been thinking the same thing, wondering where they were at protecting a friend of mines Ranch & the keyston XL trampled over her families land here in NE Texas, they seem to be missing from the real stuff, Love to see them standing beside the brave women in Kurdish army protecting the Exxon & Chevron oil leases north of Erbil, but that;not going to happen. Just bitch & moan, 16 years of Bush as Gov & President & the border has never been shut, because the the people making money from Mexican labor fund a political party. Thanks for your Service Blake.

      • Patrick Nance

        Blakektn, first of all, thank you for your service. And second of all, you nailed by saying why aren’t all these “patriots” over in the Middle East aiding our troops and the truly oppressed. The answer? Because they will only pick a fight against a weaker opponent. Thank you again for your service and honesty.

      • Vegancheese

        Exactly. Very well-said. My father served 28 yrs. He was in the Air Force. As a forward radio controller during the Vietnam War, he saw his share of action. I can only imagine the disdain he’d have for these clowns.

      • Kerri Peek

        Exactly Soldier! I feel the same way. I’m an Army vet too and these people are not patriots. Quite the opposite. They often spew anti-government rhetoric, whike flying the Stars and Stripes. That makes no sense to me. None. The nicest word is ultimately but it sure doesn’t come close to how hateful they are. Cowards.

        • 1bimbo

          the government isn’t the country… the People are the country!

          • Kerri Peek

            Yes. However, to spew SEDITION is NOT patriotism. Ergo, they are not PATRIOTS. Which is why flying the flag which stands for the Republic that they hate is contradictory. Hence it’s nonsensical in my view.

            See, I wore my uniform for 17 years. I fought for my country, which obviously includes the people in it. I can fly the flag because I defended the Republic for which it stands.

          • 1bimbo

            you need to look up the definition of ‘sedition’.. however i am happy to see someone acknowledge our country is a constitutional republic.. and yes, i’m proud to pledge allegiance to the flag of the USA.. it’s not the flag of the government. the constitution is our contract with the government, giving it parameter. our country was built on We the People outlining what all branches of the government and the judiciary can and cannot do

          • History

            We elect our leaders (or at least we once did).Our leaders – fellow American citizens – make up the government, that’s what is meant by a “government of the people, by the people, for the people”. When we vote we create the government. This doesn’t mean that I think the government is perfect or always right, but the way to fix it is to vote for different people not destroy our only means of self government.

      • Jarrod Dowell

        So how do you feel about the militiamen who fought for your freedom 238 years ago. They, by your definition, didn’t deserve to wear the uniform either.

        • CopCac

          The militiamen who fought for my freedom 238 years ago fought against a superior force, not a weaker opponent. They fought the might of the British Army not a bunch of unarmed or poorly armed people suffering from dehydration and fatigue.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            They fought superior numbers, that is all, not superior forces or weapons for that matter, our militiamen were farmers, blacksmiths, and bakers. Regular people who loved their country so much that they didn’t need to “earn” the right to wear a specific type of clothing to fight for it.

          • Robyn Ryan

            At the time, it wasn’t their country. It belonged to the East India Trading Company, under charter from Parliament and King George. And to the people who were living there before they immigrated….

            Ignorance or freedom. Choose one.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            Actually it belonged to my Cherokee and Choctaw ancestors prior to any European settlers setting foot on this continent. You can’t even be a smart ass correctly.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            Check your history, Americans fought with superior weapons with effective ranges 3 times that of the British Regulars. They did not wear the bright red target like uniforms they wore plain clothes and employed tactics the British never saw before. They fought superior numbers only. The British commanders were not intelligent or cunning, they assumed that they could win with numbers alone. This is arrogance and inferior to American commanders. The regulars rifles were severely outdated with an effective range of less than 50 yards, American rifles averaged 200 yards. We were the first to attach sighting devices to rifles for better accuracy at range. The first gatling gun was invented by an American because of that war. If they were so superior to us how did they lose???

          • CopCac

            We also fought Prussian Regulars who were some of the best soldiers in the world. To the point where when we won our Independence we went and hired Prussian Soldiers to train our Regular army.

            Even still, there were multiple times we did almost lose to numbers. And that is still with using Asymmetrical warfare tactics against an enemy who has never seen it. And lets not forget that from 1776, a year after Lexington, the war was in essence a proxy war between Britain and France. The only French Naval victory against the British occurred during the American Revolution.

            And I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers. Show me a source because the Brown Bess had an effective firing range of UP TO 100 yards whereas the Charleville we were using had a 50 to 75 yard Effective range. Effective being the key term.

            The Brown Bess was also newer than the Charleville we were using. The Bess was heavier but it was shorter. The Bess used a larger caliber and on average got 4 shots a minute to the Charleville’s 3 shots per minute. This is all out of Arms and Armor in Colonial America by Harold Leslie Peterson, and British Redcoat by Stuart Reid.

            Also, I don’t know where you get your facts. The Revolution isn’t why Dr. Richard Gatling invented his gun, He invented it to reduce the size of armies so that the casualties from combat and disease would be reduced. He also invented it to show the futility of war (his words, paraphrased), Hell, Gatling wasn’t born until 1818 so he even missed out on being alive during the war of 1812. Since he designed it in 1861 and patented it in 1862 maybe it was invented because of the Civil War. You might be thinking of the Puckle Gun which was invented by British inventor James Puckle in 1718 and was one of the first Auto-cannons. It is really neat because it is basically a flintlock revolver. Oh, and it isn’t “the first gatling gun [...]” it’s just “The Gatling Gun [...]” since it isn’t a type of gun it is a specific gun invented by Dr. Richard J. Gatling.

            So…. Check your history? And source it too please.

          • CopCac

            On the subject of losing to an inferior force, it happens. Deal with it. Logistics play a really big role. So does using Asymmetrical Warfare and so does being a Proxy for a large nation. An Inferior Army often wins when armed with Accurate intelligence and we had accurate intelligence through most of the American Revolution. A great article on the use of intelligence in warfare can be found at the cia library site (Intelligence in War: It Can Be Decisive by Gregory Elder).

            But plenty of Battles have been won by inferior forces. The Battle of Tolvajarvi is one of my favorites, as is the Battle of Longewala. I also like the battle of Okehazama.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            I checked it and here you go. How does that crow taste?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Puckle

          • CopCac

            I… I posted about the Puckle. So… What Crow?

            You said Gatling gun.

            In fact, looking over my reply I literally said, and I quote, “You might be thinking of the Puckle Gun which was invented by British Inventor James Puckle in 1718 and was one of the first Auto-Cannons [...]”

            But I dont see your point…. Puckle died in 1724, decades before the Revolution… So what connection does his gun have with the Revolution? I mean, he invented the damn gun to fight the Turks.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            The Gatling gun is an improvement on the Puckle in that the cartridge did not exist yet. Once the cartridge came on the seen it was relatively easy to modify the Puckle design for the new munitions available. The puckle was used in the Revolutionary but not widely. The Gatling gun was used in in the Civil War but not widely. My point is that we were out numbered but that is the only advantage the British had, and their navy, but ships are only so useful in a land war. All of their numbers and all of their ships were not enough to beat back American forces forever. In the end technological innovations and advancements in weaponry and a shift in tactics along with some help from the French (who only entered the war when the revolutionaries put the British on the run). Advanced technology gave us the edge we needed to defeat the British brute force sent our way.

          • Robyn Ryan

            Because France sent money and troops. Ever learn about General Lafayette? That and a 3,000 mile logistics tail.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            We also celebrate Pulaski Day in IL, a Polish general who served the US army. The French didn’t offer any help until we started to turn the tide of war. Benjamin Franklin was the diplomat that finally convinced France to help us. This was around 2 years before the end of the war. And let’s not get overly excited about the French. Do you know why all the streets in France are lined with trees?

        • bcarver

          Yes something 238 years ago is just like today. Where was the army 238 years ago? Was there an army 238 years ago? Maybe the militia was the army back then.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            It was.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            And the founders of this country hated the idea of a standing army, hence the reason it was disbanded after they won. And let’s get something straight, we are not free because our military can kick the shit out of poor 3rd world country. We are free because we choose to be and there isn’t anyone on this earth that can take it from us. The Japanese were afraid to launch an attack on the mainland because they knew they wouldn’t face uniformed soldiers but rather they would have to directly face the wrath of the American people.

          • Mark

            That was our excuse for dropping the Atom bombs on Japan, that trying to invade the country would simply be too costly. They simply didn’t have the manpower to pull off even an invasion of the Hawaiian Islands… much less the US mainland.

          • Robyn Ryan

            oh, please. Go read a real history book. Your parents need to apologize to you for stealing your education.

          • Jarrod Dowell
          • CopCac

            Yet we still maintained a small Standing Army after the revolution. We had regulars. We had a Regiment to defend the Western Frontier and a regiment at West Point. We quickly realized that we needed a Standing Army to pacify the Natives on our frontier though and formed the Legion of the United States, which became the US Army.

            We also had the US Revenue Cutter Service before the reformation of the US Navy in 1797. Marine Corps followed in 1798.

            We re-established the US Navy and the US Marine Corps pretty quick after we beefed up our standing army.

            I won’t disagree with you that SOME of the founding fathers had a very Republican distrust of standing armies. But not all of them shared that distrust and any who had interests on the Western Frontier certainly liked the idea of a standing army.

          • Jarrod Dowell

            And what did we use this military might for? Conquest of less advanced peoples. We imposed our own form of tyranny on these people with military force from a standing army. Exactly why the framers didn’t like them. What do we do with it now? We impose our will on other countries with the force of our standing army.

          • OUR12

            There was no standing Army 238 years ago. We have one + now, I see no need for these militias (bullies)

        • m8lsem

          I am descended from some of those militiamen, certain of my ancestors having arrived in 1630 and others ‘meeting the boat’ when the English arrived; and am a veteran myself … the Pilgrims did not request permission to land in Massachusetts from the tribe of that name … My family fought in the French and Indian Wars (on both sides), the Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War (for the North), the Mexican War, the Cuban adventure, World War I and World War II. We missed Korea, but caught Viet Nam.
          Self-formed, unofficial militias pursuing Latino civilians in search of a better life, are nothing more than unwitting tools of propagandists choosing to create pseudo-policy for local, state, and federal governments. They are not in the tradition of freedom fighters. They are living a fiction based upon propaganda from the likes of Fox ‘News’ and John Birch Society. I am sure brothers Koch love them. Those who do Koch bidding will be surprised when someday we have our own version of Benito Mussolini or Saddam Hussein running the country on behalf of the wealthy few, elected by the few who are deemed ‘reliable citizens.’

          • Jarrod Dowell

            You attack the Koch brothers, huh, seems like something a CNN lemming would do. And if you don’t like what they are doing, why don’t you try to stop them? Are these people not Americans doing what they feel is best for the country? Who are you to judge the actions of others?

      • James Peinado

        In the same way you characterize the militias as bullies, is it not fair to label all military action in Iraq all the way back to 2003 as major state funded bullying? Than there’s Syria, Lybia, and so fourth. Let’s compare civilian causalities shall we? As controversial as what they are doing is, I have my own agreements and disagreements with this article, one thing these militias can say that the US Military cannot is that they’re at least doing this on their own home soil, not 1000s of miles away.

      • terrep263

        I wish I could give this post 1 million thumbs ups

    • Harry

      Completely agree. I served 12 years in the Army and it bothers me to see people who most likely never served a day playing Rambo.

    • William

      I don’t know why ‘camo’ is only now for military … it’s purpose is to be somewhat ‘camo-uflage’ right? I don’t think it’s a color or denotes military … if they are using a military uniform, camo or any color, that would be bad, but saying that ‘camo’ is only for military is a bit much.

    • DavidChicago

      DavidD. I never served, and I would never feel comfortable presenting myself as some kind of Camo Patriot all geared up. Like you, I believe that this is something you earn, not something you buy online.

  • Ken W

    Wouldn’t detaining an illegal alien be the same as a citizens arrest?

    • 1bimbo

      yep.. it’s no different than what a bounty hunter or bail bondsman does.. they don’t ‘detain’ people, the illegals just sit there because they think they’re being ‘detained’.. and if they run, they just keep getting chased as long as they’re on private property until they stop running.. it’s a peculiar situation all right

      • Ken W

        You can detain with a citizens arrest. A bail bondsman can definitely detain. He doesn’t even need a search warrant. So why can’t you legally detain an illegal alien? Citizens arrest!! They are breaking the law.

        • cactuspie

          “They are breaking the law.”
          As are these faux patriots. Citizen’s arrest laws vary from state to state and I can’t speak for Texas. In CA I believe you first have to witness the crime. Did they see these people cross the border? Do they know they’re undocumented? You can detain but not restrain using appropriate non-lethal force. The TBV’s weapons and actions show a different intent. And you definitely can’t take property. These are a bunch of limp-dicked ignoramuses who wouldn’t have any power over anyone if they didn’t terrorize the vulnerable out of the site of decent people. As Mr. Gilbert discovered. If Texas’ citizen arest laws permit this sort of terorism I wouldn’t be surprised but I’d like to see it.

  • 1bimbo

    that’s a pretty dang good article, wilder.. i’m impressed.. only comment i have is about this line: ‘TBV engages in aggressive armed interdiction and detention of immigrants using ATVs and trained dogs…’ well i would hope so!!

    • Oscar

      You’re in IDIOT

      • Nicko Thime

        AN

    • Kris Amelia-Victoria Seber

      These are human beings desperate to make a better life for themselves and their children. Wouldn’t YOU sneak across a border if it meant a better life for your children? …or… Would you stay in the same place you were in knowing that your children would struggle every day to eat and have no hope of ever escaping extreme poverty?

  • Angelo_Frank

    Indeed a human tragedy on the border that must be addressed through immigration reform at the earliest opportunity. Not through condoning armed militias taking the law into their own hands.

    • vesey

      doing something stupid is no more foolish than doing nothing at all…………maybe it’s time to get rid of the rhetoric and find real solutions……..

  • TomPaine

    In Texas, a citizen’s arrest can only be made if the offense is a felony or an offense against the public peace. Tex. Code Criminal Procedure 14.01. An “offense against the public peace” is an offense which poses a threat of continuing violence or harm to the citizen or the public.A common example is a citizen’s arrest of a drunk driver.

  • FriendlyAnonymous

    The U.S. should pursue U.S. interests in its foreign policy as much as in its immigration policy. This requires making a clear distinction between legal immigration – which we want and should encourage generously! – and the illegal/ undocumented type – which we should depress to the point of elimination.

    – Aspiring economic migrants are not “immigrants” under U.S. law. By legal definition under 8 U.S. Code § 1101(a)(16), “immigrants” have permission to enter the U.S. lawfully. As well, the unaccompanied alien children at the southern border do not technically meet definitions under law for asylum or refugee status; they are *not* immigrants under law. Here’s an interesting article that also discusses Special Immigrant Juveniles Status (SIJS):http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/D….

    – As an act of sovereignty, the U.S. should build a robust fence/ barrier along the southern border to support the admission of U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, and others authorized to enter the U.S. (e.g., visa holders, approved asylees, approved refugees), and to summarily exclude those who are undocumented/ illegal. It’s more humane to keep-out the undocumented/ illegals out than to let them in and then deport/ remove them. And BTW – yes, fences/ barriers work! E.g., after Israel built its fence/ barrier along the 1949 Armistice Line (“Green Line”) to protect its civilians from suicide bombing attacks, such attacks dropped from 64 to 12! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I….

    – Outside the U.S. set-up processing centers (such as in Ciudad Juarez, MX) to accept and process applications for standard refugee/ asylee status. Only those granted lawful asylee/ refugee status may enter the U.S.

    – If a person is missing a passport (e.g., passport destroyed to prevent deportation/ removal from U.S. or other country), that person should not be eligible to apply for *any* U.S. immigration benefit.

    – After a meaningful fence/ barrier is built, and after it shows a meaning reduction in unlawful U.S. entries (e.g., 80%, which is clearly achievable given the Israel example that I cited above): the best solution for those who are already in the U.S. as undocumented/ illegals is to permit a *temporary* visa program to authorize low-skill jobs. The next-best solution is to permit lawful permanent U.S. residence (a/k/a Green Card) *without* any form of citizenship eligibility…ever. The benefit of no-citizenship-eligibility includes the ability to deport/ remove an individual for criminal infractions. There should be **no** – zero! – citizenship eligibility. Also, no DACA, no Dreamers. These undocumented/ illegals are law-breakers; that should not be rewarded.

    – Vigorously support innovation and the inflow of the high achieving, the talented, the investors, STEM graduates of U.S. colleges/ universities, STEM professionals…the sort of qualified, English-speaking, law abiding people who contribute to the U.S. economy and support U.S. innovation in science, technology, and industry. These are the people who are in the U.S. lawfully, who have followed the meat-grinder process to correctly gain U.S. immigration benefits. We should make it easier on this population, and eliminate Green Card backlogs for them.

    – Grant H-1B and L-1 work visas liberally; the market *really* does adjust and regulate the streams. (http://www.brookings.edu/~/med…. These visa workers comprise a small proportion of the U.S. labor force, which is estimated to be approx. 155.4 million workers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…. For example, the the no. of H-1B visa holders is estimated to be between 650K-800K(http://cis.org/estimating-h1b-…. **This means that H-1B workers comprise a *minuscule* portion, only between 0.32% and 0.51% of the U.S. labor market.**

    – As an aside, the visa lottery program of the U.S. Department of State should be closed. As should the unskilled worker Green Card (EB-4) program; we get enough unskilled workers from family-based immigration and the undocumented/ illegals. Enough already.

    • Jim Gilchrist

      Insightful and compelling comments. I agree with you and encourage your thoughts every time I’m on talk radio,

      Jim Gilchrist

      • FriendlyAnonymous

        What makes this approach work in chocking the unlawful stream while being generous on the lawful employment based visa classes, both the limited-duration H-1B and L-1, as well as work-sponsored Green Cards.

    • waynus siez

      I agree whole heartedly ! and thank you for expounding on this issue in a way I never could!

      • FriendlyAnonymous

        :-)

    • Robyn Ryan

      I need that border open to escape to Mexico. this isn’t the America I spent 20 years serving in the military.

      • FriendlyAnonymous

        Sir/ Madam, leaving the U.S. is *never* a challenge. Unlike others, our country does not require “exist visas”; such requirements are an “ear mark” of totalitarian states. The hard part is getting lawful entry into the U.S. The trick is to choke-off the unlawful entry stream.

        • Robyn Ryan

          I’m old enough to remember going to Canada and Mexico without a passport. The American peasants were stampeded into a ‘papers please’ tyranny after 9/11. The same peasants whose ancestors fled Europe repeat their forebearer’s mistakes.

    • Cheryl Lee

      So tell me how you factor in environmental concerns with your fence/barrier? How do you prevent interfering with migration of animals? Or are you one of those who feel we can play God with the world and all of its inhabitants just because we can? http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2011/aug/ed_3_borderwall/

      • FriendlyAnonymous

        Any fence/ barrier would have to be engineered in the real world. I am not an engineer, so I do not have concrete proposals for solutions along water regions, desert regions, etc. Such Qs would have to be deferred to those with qualifications, e.g., U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

        As to environmental concerns…to begin, I hold a BS from a top U.S. university in Environmental Science. The subject matter is not alien to me. I am also a lawyer with >20y practice in the U.S. in administrative law (not environmental law, however). Presently the environmental impact statement process can be used to forestall major works for years. Here, Congress, the WH would be well advised to include exemptions from the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 and its amendments to enable expeditious fence/ barrier. Study an plan adaptation would have to be ongoing re-construction, during, and post-construction to mitigate impact to the more important natural processes and species that would be affected by a fence/ barrier. But the fence/ barrier would have to be built.

        As to “feeling that we can play God,” we are the apex species on the planet. And within the apex species, the U.S. it the world hegemon. My passions are the interests of my country first. Then, those of friends. Then allies…and there’s a hierarchy there. Then everyone else get in line. The priorities of enemies should be kept closer to vest than those of our friends…but that’s “Art of War” stuff. I digress. The point is: this is not religion.

        To enable survival of our species, we need to mind our habitat’s environment. Look at China; utter abuse. We do *not* wish our nation to take that route. But respectful and responsible environmental management need be balanced with our other national priorities. One national priority is functioning agricultural and industrial segments; the EPA should not choke that through nonsensical regulation.

        Not unrelated to the environment is the Q of a vigorous development of space-based industry. Let’s expand the scope of environment from which we draw natural resources, as well as the scope of our solar system that we inhabit. The U.S. should **dominate** this scope, IMHO. And entry into this scope should be premised as to whether the country in Q is a friend, not just an ally

        Nevertheless, back to Earth. The U.S.-Mexico border, specifically. I would posit that fence/ barrier is national priority. Just as much as vigorously supporting U.S. innovation and industry through the inflow of H-1B, L-1, and EB-1, EB-, and EB-3 immigrants into the U.S.

        • Inmyriver

          “: I am not a granola-munchin’, Birkenstock-wearin’, Kumbaya-singin’, hairy-legged environmentalist.”

          At least you don’t discredit yourself with sweeping generalizations, the way some of these nutcases do.

        • Robyn Ryan

          Gov Bobby Jindal has a BS in Biology. He’s still destroying Louisiana’s public wealth. We need an infrastructure based government. Not a economy based government. Give people the support system, they will grow their own economy.

  • Mike Palacio

    Interesting. Mr Grisham gets to see how this shit looks first hand, not just the mess regurgitated from Bill O’Reilleys mouth, and then he changes him mind. The facts and reality are obfuscated by FOX (republican party) in order to rule their mob with fear and nationalism.

    • Searcher5

      Mr. Palacio, the area in Brooks is primarily Democrat. When the citizens that live outside or on the edge of Falfurrias complain that they can’t enjoy their own outside patios and yards due to the quantity of illegals that harass them for food, water, phones, and steal quite a few cars and trucks, then it’s an issue way beyond just normal people moving through the area looking for the American dream. It’s not a racial issue either, as the area is over 90% latino. The locals get tired of it, that is the ones that are not involved in the transportation game of drugs and illegals going north, and cash and guns going south. The TBV is a small group that covers only a small part of the county. over 34,000 illegals have been taken into custody. If this was systemic, then lawyers would be all over. LULAC, MALDEF, and LA RAZA are all over it, but abuses are so limited, they haven’t been able to do much. Yes, I’m familiar with it, and I’m down there. Mr. Grisham is not all he appears to be. Nice story though that does bring out problems. If all the millions that have come across over the years, put the same effort into transforming Mexico into what they want, then it would have taken place by now.

      • Mike Palacio

        Mr. ‘Searcher5’… Mr Grisham is Conservative (so the demographics of Brooks is irrelevant to the subject at hand). In his own words he’s an ‘angry white male’. And ‘that guy’. But it appears he has a heart in addition to a brain, and that’s a cherished rarity. And no one is (or ever was) arguing that NO shitty people have crossed the southern border. The black and white view that many conservatives embrace in regards to our southern border is the problem, and when you read the article, that becomes clear. Grisham realized there was a grey, which makes him an accidental democrat. Yes, we see grey. We don’t look at all immigrants as happy, healthy little angels. And we don’t see them all as LA RAZA gangbangers. You know…. the middle. AKA reality. As far as your statement about ‘Mr Grisham is not all he appears to be’, I’m curious. What does that mean? Or is this just an attempt to discredit him because he’s hurting the weekend warrior movement?

        • vesey

          more important is why is a person an “angry white male”………

          • Inmyriver

            I’ll bet Mr. Grisham is a little less angry these days.

      • Sheep O’Doom

        TBV & the s called Patriot Militia / ISIS same shit different country.

        • vesey

          i don’t like these militias but they in no way are like ISIS. To say so show either an immature mind or a propagandist……….

      • bcarver

        Please go educate the ones that came here instead of transforming Mexico on how to transform Mexico. Then they will stay there.

    • vesey

      it always concerns me when liberals have a bad habit of thinking of opposition media as the enemy. Look at countries that did’nt or don’t have opposition media. This country already has a subservient and docile media, one exception will not hurt……think about it………..

      • Mike Palacio

        I have to assume you’re talking about FOX. The only ‘opposition’ they have is with the truth. I don’t even consider them conservative. Or news. They have gone and created a whole new thing that isn’t even based on reality, by the looks of it. It’s pure political partisan heroin, whose intent is not to inform but simply to foster hatred, fear and division. Literally nothing matters to them except getting more conservatives elected by any means necessary. Power for the sake of power. America could use some REAL old school conservatives to balance the conversation, but FOX and their ilk, they aren’t it.

        • Bandara Carlos

          Yes you’re right again.

        • Bandara Carlos

          Yes you’re right.

  • Nicko Thime

    Pretend soldiers without the courage to really serve.
    Bunch of cowards playing at being brave.

  • Demerkrat

    Democrats are just mad because they weren’t able to get these illegal aliens registered to vote before ICE came by and collected them…

  • Bliss Doubt

    It takes a good man to tell the truth. Great story. It looks like Texas Border Rescue is under way?

    http://texasborderrescue.org/

  • waynus siez

    Having spent 5 years literally on the Rio Grande (Lajitas) I have a true perspective and legitimate basis to speak on this issue as a “Gringo” . First thing : YES, they are humans and living in the in the US is a dream of ALL who have no hope of ever getting ahead in life if they remain in these “shit holes” from which they come. They are beautiful people who will give you the shirt off their back and work from sun up to sun down. This country gives them HOPE for a better life, which is how they view this country, EVEN at $7.00 an hour. Clearly 90% or more of those coming from Central America are desperate to escape the violence and corruption of those hopelessly corrupt governments. Secondly : with the ‘baby boomer’ generation retiring at around 1000 per day, we, as a country need people/businesses paying into the social security system and one of the most efficient means is to open up the borders. However, current immigration laws are so bureaucratic and drawn out that it takes years and years to achieve legal status, this must be changed. NOW, amnesty for those who have entered our country illegally must “pay the fiddler” for their actions and a draconian “swing of the bat” is not the answer. Perhaps a hefty fine and proof of employment ? This decision must include both sides and NO talking heads! It is an absolute travesty how the media, on both sides, have used this issue and others to continually divide us as a country. turn off the tube, read, talk to those who have first hand experiences in these issues Then and only Then make a rational decision. Just Say’n

    • Jim Gilchrist

      I think there should be a limit to the number of people immigrating to the US.
      If we were to allow anyone to come here at will, then we are essentially inviting the world’s population to migrate to the US.

      All illegal aliens currently occupying US territory should be repatriated to their homelands and required to apply for legal entry into our country. Many of the millions deported will not be allowed back into the US because they do not meet the standards required for immigration.

      Attracting billions of people to come here at their whim would result in nothing less than a nation of over-populated anarchy, in my opinion.

      Jim Gilchrist

      • Robyn Ryan

        “Gilcrest?” What sort of name is that? Not Pawnee or Mohawk. Take your immigrant butt back to Europe, where you came from. Just sayin’…

        • Donna

          Thank you Robyn. That is exactly what came to mind when I read Gilchrist’s post.

      • erik thorne

        Mr. Gilchrist, You mean like your ancestors?

      • 062014

        So, a child carried into the US and who became and adult here, who might not even know the language or have any family in the country from which he/she was carried is simply deposited in a foreign country to fend? How about a chance? How about a pathway?

        • vesey

          nonetheless, it’s impossible to take everyone in. Ranting about his ancestors of hundreds of years ago has no bearing on today’s realities. Two very different situations. Two very different times. You ryan,thorne and donna are using a worn out and irrelevant non point which has no bearing on the issue. Try again with something useful and at least relevant in 2014………

          • 062014

            Oh, I wish you would tell that to the “good ole boys” waving confederate flags. Nonetheless, I do indeed know of immigrants (in 2014) who are in positions of having no relatives or place to go in the countries of their parents origin.

          • Robyn Ryan

            In other words “I got mine. FU.” Understood….

      • Richard Weber

        well they would not be here if the cia had not fucked their country over and done things like harvest their parents for organs to sell to American hospitals

      • TropicDave173

        OK, so who gets to pay for implementing all of your ideas? Republicans? Never happen. Repatriation costs money. FYI we do have laws on the books, like the Hart-Cellar Act and the Immigration Act of 1990, which set a limit of 700,000 per year.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_legislation#1945-1999

        Best thing to do to limit illegal entry into the US is to help make the conditions in the home countries better, so there’s less reason to live. But the right complains about doing that, too.

        Go back far enough and we’re ALL immigrants, even Native Americans. But explaining that is also probably a useless effort.

      • mardoc29

        standar required? here are some of you standar required a minimun of 25,000 $ in a bank account be a doctor lawyer or engineer, have you own busines or be an important political menber.

        think if I had all that I moved from my country to come to wash the shit that’s in yourbathrooms. or cut the fruits that your kids eat in the morning before going to school?

        It’s funny how the United States has exploited Central America countries for decades. an installed their large factories on our territory, and extracted precious minerals an bled our countries. manufacture their clothes cultivate pineapples oranges and bananas in our countries for a salary of five dollars a day.

        and even with all that when you go to our countries we are given preferential over the Central American citizens, and this is how you treat us when we come asking to be allowed to work in the United States.

        you know how much it costs the paperwork and formalities, to apply for a visa? costs about 1500 dollars .. you know how much money is that in our country for a poor family? you dont even know the impotence that you fell when a gringo whos not even see you to the face. just says you can not be approved. and do not return not even one penny of what you spent. many people sell their homes to adjust the money for the paperwork for a visa only for a gringo that never has suffered not to anything in life. all given it an since he was born. tell you that you do not qualify to enter in hes country.

    • verdulo1

      But these “shit holes” produce a never-ending stream of humans looking for a better life. We couldn’t possibly take in all of them. If we were really interested in helping them and not just exploiting them, we should be looking at where they came from and trying to improve things there.

      • vesey

        no, let them improve things there. We have our own issues which need attention now……….

      • waynus siez

        I’m not advocating the invasion of Illegals from Central America just my perspective as to WHY they come and WHY the Fed is doing nothing about it. We should reform the Immigration system to let the “good ones” get here asap! I have been on the opposite end of a 9mm and know what a bullet from a high powered riffle sounds like going by your ear! Yes, there are bad people coming across the border and a wall might not be such a bad idea. Now as far as helping them, send teachers over there and quit hiring them to mow your lawn, build fences or roof houses, Heck, build houses for that matter! we’re on the same page tho :-)

      • Robyn Ryan

        if we’d stop arming their warlords to the teeth and inciting drug wars, they might not need to flee their homes.

    • Robyn Ryan

      If we didn’t enforce a Prohibition on recreational drugs, Mexico wouldn’t be a violent hell hole.

      • waynus siez

        once again i agree with another point posted :-), having been on the opposite end of a firearm on 3 separate occasions while living down there it was obvious that those wielding those arms were protecting their cache of weed. I say legalize the damn plant and shut down the ‘cartels’ overnight!

  • Jim Gilchrist

    Dear Fellow Patriotic Law Abiding Americans,

    The Minuteman Project needs organizations or groups all along the U.S. – Mexico border to refer volunteers to. Many people have expressed an interest in participating in border observation and reporting activities.

    If you need or want volunteers, please advise me via my email address at [email protected]

    Semper Fidelis,

    Jim Gilchrist, Founder and President, The Minuteman Project

    • K. DiGiovanni

      Mr. Gilchrist, restrict your recruiting to Soldier of Fortune magazine and other periodicals perused by wannabe warriors. Your tactics are tasteless, and you have no legal authority to engage in this behavior. Your self-aggrandizing statements reveal not a dedication to this great country, but a desire for adoration and admiration by those simple-minded enough to swallow the crap you hand out.

    • Guest

      Were you in the Marine Corps? Until you can prove it so, I would suggest you stop using “Semper Fidelis” as your closing because you might get your ass kicked or killed by a real Marine.

    • Patrick Nance

      You are a disgrace to the Marine Corps. If you really served in Da Nang as your bio suggests, then how on earth did you become such a bigot? Did you advocate sending all the boat people back to Cuba or sending all the Viet Namese we brought to America back to Ho Chi Minh City? How about all the Hmong that came here after we used them and they were terrified of execution by the Viet Namese government after the fall? Or do you just have a thing for Spanish speaking people? BTW, where did your ancestors come from prior to usurping the lands of the Native people of North America? Did they have papers from the tribes allowing them to emigrate? Or were they escaping intolerance and deplorable conditions? C’mon, tell me how it was when your forebearers came to America. And are you a Christian? If you are, then you need to reread your Bible where Jesus exhorts that children are to be protected and that “any one of you who brings harm to one of these innocents… it would be better that you had a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the ocean…”

  • Jim Gilchrist

    This story deliberately ignores the relentless killing of U.S. residents by illegal aliens. According to Congressman Steven King, referring to an FBI report, about 9,000 U.S. residents are killed each year by illegal aliens by either deliberate murder (shooting, stabbing, strangulation, etc.) or by manslaughter (i.e., drunk driving).

    While Mr. Gilbert appears to be a conscientious member of society, I think he should consider the horrific consequences to the thousands killed annually by illegal aliens…the same kind of people he apparently wants to encourage to continue to come to the US.

    I would be inclined to give at least some credibility to the writer’s story if only it were not just another piece of propaganda spewed out by a “dirty” journalist passionately attempting to indoctrinate naive readers into believing that the US should not have borders nor immigration law enforcement.

    If the United States took its border security and immigration law enforcement seriously, then there would be no deaths of illegal aliens in the desert or deaths of US residents who become routine victims of murder and manslaughter.

    Jim Gilchrist, Founder and President, The Minuteman Project

    • Don Potata

      Lets build a wall like East Germany did…fuck you mr Gilchrist..the Berlin Wall DID NOT WORK. You are an anarcist. You are not a fucking American. Use of the word “minuteman” is disgusting.

      • 1bimbo

        keep up the good work. the world needs more eloquent narrative from the left

      • FriendlyAnonymous

        Some citations to buttress your position would lend credibility to the position that you assert, Don Potata.

        A cursory review of the wiki article on the Berlin Wall describes a regulated fence/ barrier complex. Later in my spare time, I’ll try to find some metrics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall#Official_crossings_and_usage

        Nevertheless, fences/ barriers work. Here’s an example with metrics: after Israel built its fence/ barrier along the 1949 Armistice Line (“Green Line”) to protect its civilians from suicide bombing attacks, such attacks dropped from 64 to 12! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…. Hard to beat those metrics.

    • Don Potata

      Steven King is a stupid jerk

    • Kris Amelia-Victoria Seber

      Please cite this FBI report. Otherwise, your argument holds no credibility.

    • jericho

      Sorry, I wouldn’t take the word of Steve King if he told me the sky was blue.

    • Patrick Nance

      Mr. Gilchrist, the numbers you quote as being murdered come from you referring to a Congressman who was referring to an FBI report which makes this look like the kids game of telephone. If you are so well informed, why don’t you do the homework and post the original source material. We, as news readers, all know Mr. King’s political bent. And you are not serious in saying that if the US took things “seriously” there would be “no deaths of illegal aliens” or “death of US residents”, are you? You are saying that all our problems would mysteriously disappear. Well, how about this? Why don’t we arrest all of the employers who use these illegals as a “grey market” labor force, paying them crap wages and paying no taxes or no benefits and working them to death? Maybe it is because our crops in CA wouldn’t get picked, hotel rooms in NV wouldn’t get made and dishes wouldn’t get bussed at tony downtown LA restaurants. When we pay a decent wage in less than intolerable conditions, then maybe there won’t need to be a cheap labor force that borders on slavery. Get off the radio and get out in the vegetable fields before you start prostelytizing about the behavior of others.

    • 1bimbo

      best congressman steve king video ever!!
      http://youtu.be/PI8rCleTbSo

    • F1nn3as

      Recent manslaughter and murder number for the US is 14000 individuals. So Jim you expect that over half of all murders are killed by aliens? Sounds pretty facetious to me.

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  • DragonTat2

    Unless and until the Americans who employ illegal workers are held accountable, this will never end on the scale we see today.
    These vigilantes are shameful.

    • https://www.facebook.com/jimijamz3 Jet Tramel

      has not happened with Bush & Perry in as Tx Gov & Bush as President, because their donors employ & have gotten rich off illegal labor. Stop employment, border problem drys up, no billions in a wall or fence needed, job market has been so poor many going back to Mexico or C. America, My dad sold Mexican music,I have been to every ranch, orchard, chicken ranch, dairy hidden from most people in the back woods. I have seen horrible living conditions, some like jail cells, & 100,000 of thousands of dollars in cash go back to Mexico every weekend in trucks full of products heading for the home towns of workers here. if the public knew some things going in the dark & murky world of the undocumented heads would exploid.

      • vesey

        and of course not a single democrat or democrat donor has ever hired and taken advantage of illegals. As long as you see out of only one eye, you will never truly see the problem, you’ll just be a liberal propagandist……

    • vesey

      exactly, start punishing those that hire these illegals…………..

  • dennisgilman

    This group still exists although several of their members have been shot and killed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvtBBt1OUnw

  • Patrick Nance

    I am glad that Mr. Gilbert has stepped forward to put a real face and name to these so called “border patriots” who are nothing more than armed thugs with an axe to grind. These are people and not something to be hunted by dogs and then illegally detained. Imagine if any one of these “patriots” were detained and tied with their shoe laces and had their personal effects confiscated. You wouldn’t be heard above the din of the right wing and FAUX News. Thank you, Mr. Gilbert for the courage to admit that your heart saw and your eyes were opened. This is the TRUE meaning of humanitarianism and Christianity (even if you are not a Christian). If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. And Mr. Gilbert, you are a part of the solution.

  • Pete Litterski

    Our very conservative State Rep in Longview — Brian Simpson — went to the border when the big furor arose a few months ago about the children pouring across the border. Once he visited the area and saw the nature of the children and their plight, he came home and held a town hall meeting told his constituents that it was important to put a priority on humane treatment and have a compassionate attitude in trying to resolve the problem. His efforts to persuade his own “base” to back away from the hate and vitriol that was emerging over the issue seemed to put him in hot water with his own supporters. It was too late to “primary” him but I am sure he will face a Tea Party darling in the next round of GOP primaries in 2016.

    • 1bimbo

      three words: Rule of Law

      • Robyn Ryan

        Whose law? The corporations or the people? Or the DEA?

        • 1bimbo

          yes.. yes and yes

  • William

    It is apparent that the job needs more than the Border Patrol alone can muster. I can agree that you can’t have vigilante justic, but some sort of deputization and quick training of how and what to do should be immediately put in place. Our government has so messed this whole thing up and needs the help so they should quit being so rediculously aloof and politically correct, and turn these volunteers into ‘trained’ first responders to rectify the situation. Also, I feel for all the immigrants health and safety and the biggest cause of the loss of life is the politicians in Washington giving false hope and causing such a rediculous ‘unclear’ border situation and definition in the first place.

  • Coffee

    72-76 USAF Vietnam Era Veteran, I know what war does, I’ll take humanity and compassion any day!

  • busherbee

    fox news kills.

    • 1bimbo

      they sure do… they kill the competition on a nightly basis.. highest rated cable news program on tv

  • Nicholas Luis Sevilla Zamoyski

    I applaud Mr. Gilbert for opening his eyes.

  • frances

    Destructive actions like these are easy for Rambo types. That’s because they minimize the humanity of these folks they are harming. It’s uplifting to read the accounts of folks who have served in the military that have not lost their capacity for empathy who also know how things are supposed to be done. I totally agree with another poster that they are anti-government in their rhetoric, but they love to blather about their so-called patriotism which I find quite selective.

  • James Peinado

    While I applaud Gilbert for the revelations that these people are vast in large fellow human beings, and I like his new found mission to rescue and help people. I don’t hold guilt against militias doing the job, the Border Patrol fails to do in the first place. On private property, it should not be against the law to detain trespassers. I would say that if this article had evidence rather than conjecture that immigrants are robbed or killed by the militias, than we would have something serious to talk about.

    People here who I’m sure disagree with this position, prolly don’t have to deal with this issue on their own backyards, and so really they’re opinions here are less relevant in the discussion. Also know that what really needs to happen is that we need to reform immigration laws, make it easier to work here, I think we should agree that human rights are due to all peoples, but political rights like being able to vote or receive government entitlements should be taken off the table. They should be able to live in peace and work here, but not vote, till they’ve gone through our process and shown respect for our laws. This is a midway position which I wish more people would take.

    Finally, on the issues of uniforms, please don’t put your service in Iraq and sanctioned by the US Government as something of a higher calling than what these militias are doing in South Texas, cuz it’s not. US Foreign Policy over the last several decades is nothing to be proud of. When Reagan decided not to send more Marines to the middle east after the bombing incident, that was the last great action of wise restraint we’ve had in this country.

    • Robyn Ryan

      Legalize drugs. Problem goes away.

  • bcarver

    What church do the Vickers attend? Please tell us. Tell us how leaving humans out in the desert to die is Christian? How putting dogs on humans is Christian? Anyone in the TBV willing to say how what they do is Christian? Please quote support for what you do from the bible.

  • Inmyriver

    If it was a bunch of Norwegians or French-Canadians coming across the border to take shitty jobs, no one would give a shit.

  • Patiod

    This is the textbook definition of an unregulated militia, which should scare the hell out of the rest of us.

    • 1bimbo

      they’re regulated.. they follow state gun regulations

  • mardoc29

    standar required? here are some of you standar required a minimun of 25,000 $ in a bank account be a doctor lawyer or engineer, have you own busines or be an important political menber.

    think if I had all that I moved from my country to come to wash the shit that’s in yourbathrooms. or cut the fruits that your kids eat in the morning before going to school?

    It’s funny how the United States has exploited Central America countries for decades. an installed their large factories on our territory, and extracted precious minerals an bled our countries. manufacture their clothes cultivate pineapples oranges and bananas in our countries for a salary of five dollars a day.

    and even with all that when you go to our countries we are given preferential over the Central American citizens, and this is how you treat us when we come asking to be allowed to work in the United States.

    you know how much it costs the paperwork and formalities, to apply for a visa? costs about 1500 dollars .. you know how much money is that in our country for a poor family? you dont even know the impotence that you fell when a gringo whos not even see you to the face. just says you can not be approved. and do not return not even one penny of what you spent. many people sell their homes to adjust the money for the paperwork for a visa only for a gringo that never has suffered not to anything in life. all given it an since he was born. tell you that you do not qualify to enter in hes country..

  • cholula1111

    VIGILANTES SHOULD BE IN JAIL–not skulking around our border region, intimidating and endangering humans.

    • Carlyle Croc Locke

      Well illegals should be sent home, then there wouldn’t be any “vigilantes” on the border in the first place. If you don’t mind the illegals coming in, you can pay for them, I don’t want to.

      • cholula1111

        We have people who serve in the Border Patrol, state, county, and local law enforcement, and other actual law enforcement agencies.

        If we need more of them to manage issues in the border regions, then hire and train them. They are accountable under the law, and must report to a chain of official command.

        If the U.S. can spend over $5 a DAY in invasive foreign wars for petroleum profiteers, then we can spend a mere fraction of that to have enough law enforcement personnel in that region, if their presence is justified.

        Vigilantes have never been an effective form of governance or law enforcement. That is why vigilantism is ILLEGAL.

      • cholula1111

        Carlyle, thank you for your response. Why do you believe that vigilantes are the only or best way to manage the influx of illegal immigrants? Why would you support that solution, instead of others?

        We have actual law enforcement personnel in the Border Patrol (now ICE), and in city, county, state, and Federal law enforcement agencies. If we need more of them to manage border issues, then fine–hire them and train them.

        Actual law enforcement personnel are accountable as such under the law, and they must report to and work under supervision of a formal chain of command that is also accountable to internal and external inspection agencies.

        Vigilantism has never been the most effective, fair, or highly accountable way to manage anything–quite the contrary, according to past vigilante movements in the U.S.. That is precisely WHY vigilantism is illegal in this country.

        If the U.S. can spend $5-7 MILLION of our tax dollars per DAY on invasive foreign warfare for the primary benefit of profiteering petrochemical and military industrial complex corporations, then the U.S. can take a tiny fraction of that money and provide all of the personnel and technologies that are needed to manage border issues.

        I have lived in the borderlands for over 20 years, and I am quite familiar with these issues.

        Thank you for considering my perspective on this issue.

      • cholula1111

        Carlyle, thank you for your response. Why do you believe that
        vigilantes are the only or best way to manage the influx of illegal immigrants?

        Why would you support that solution, instead of others?

        We have actual law enforcement personnel in the Border Patrol (now ICE), and in city, county, state, and Federal law enforcement agencies. if we need more of them to manage border issues, then fine–hire hem and train them.

        Actual law enforcement personnel are accountable as such under
        the law, and they must report to and work under supervision of a formal chain of command that is also accountable to internal and external inspection agencies.

        Vigilantism has never been the most effective, fair, or highly accountable way to manage anything–quite the contrary, according to past vigilante movements in the U.S.. That is precisely why vigilantism is illegal in this country.

        If the U.S. can spend $5-7 million of our tax dollars per day on
        invasive foreign warfare for the primary benefit of profiteering petrochemical and military industrial complex corporations, then the U.S. can take a tiny fraction of that money and provide all of the personnel and technologies that are needed to manage border issues.

        I have lived in the borderlands for over 20 years, and I am quite familiar with these issues.

        Thank you for considering my perspective on this issue.

      • cholula1111

        Carlyle, thank you for your response. Why do you believe that
        vigilantes are the only or best way to manage the influx of illegal immigrants?

        Why would you support that solution, instead of others?

        We have actual law enforcement personnel in the Border Patrol (now ICE), and in city, county, state, and Federal law enforcement agencies. if we need more of them to manage border issues, then fine–hire hem and train them.

        Actual law enforcement personnel are accountable as such under
        the law, and they must report to and work under supervision of a formal chain of command that is also accountable to internal and external inspection agencies.

        Vigilantism has never been the most effective, fair, or highly accountable way to manage anything–quite the contrary, according to past vigilante movements in the U.S.. That is precisely why vigilantism is illegal in this country.

  • headjones

    I don’t get how your instructions are related to compassion. Enlighten me?

  • 1bimbo

    exactly!.. now apply your question to kris-four-names-seber

  • headjones

    No, thank you.